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Democrats 2020

Stacey Abrams isn't planning on running. She's too smart to do that right now, plus rumors continue to surface that she is planning to run against Senator Purdue in 2020. It's funny that she is so adored by the left. She is progressive but she's also very pragmatic and has always worked across the aisle. She would be my perfect candidate, but she needs more experience and I think she realizes that. She is also brilliant and has a law degree. I would prefer a president with a law degree. You know. Somebody who actually understands the laws of the country.

I have no idea who I will support in the primaries at this point, but it won't be anyone who doesn't have relevant experience or anyone who doesn't realize that compromise is extremely important. It can be a progressive or a moderate as long as they have wide spread appeal and aren't rigid.
 
Ugh. Just horrible. Uses lesbian separatist slogan "the future is female" (yeah, Hillary used it too, double ugh!) in her tweets and has invited the false rape accuser "Mattress Girl" to SOTU a few years ago. Of all the possible female candidates I think Gillibrand will be the one to tout her gender the most.

Hopefully she gains only enough traction to steal some votes from Kamala "I wanted to shut down Backpage for years" Harris.

Who's next? Kamala Harris?
She may not have formally announced, but she is running for sure. She has been attracting big Hillary donors for years.
 
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Is there electoral advantage to have Harris-Beto ticket?

I'd be all about a Beto-Harris ticket. Although to assure victory, I'm not sure that his experience as a Texas congresscritter is enough.
But if they were running against Shitgibbon, it wouldn't matter - Al Bundy could probably beat him if things keep going the way they are. Hell, Ted fucking Bundy could beat him.
 
Stacey Abrams isn't planning on running. She's too smart to do that right now,
Yes, a failed election is not a good springboard to the presidency.

plus rumors continue to surface that she is planning to run against Senator Purdue in 2020.
She might even win that one. Presidential years are much better for Democratic candidates than midterms.
Perdue won 53%-45% against Michelle Nunn (Sam Nunn's daughter) in 2014, not exactly an insurmountable advantage.
 
I'm a moderate, so I like Gillibrand.

What's moderate about Gillibrand? Maybe Gillibrand of 10 years ago was a moderate, but not the Gillibrand of today.

Same problem with Tulsi Gabbard. Used to be quite moderate, but has taken some radical positions as of late.
 
Presidential years are much better for Democratic candidates than midterms.

That thought, if true, should keep Republicans tossing and turning for the next 21 months...
Dems were +9% in total midterm votes, so what should 2020 bring?
 
I'd be all about a Beto-Harris ticket.

National polling shows that the U.S. public strongly favors bold policy proposals that Sanders has been championing for a long time. On issues ranging from climate change to Medicare for All to tuition-free public college to Wall Street power, the party’s base has been moving leftward, largely propelled by an upsurge of engagement from progressive young people. This momentum is a threat to the forces accustomed to dominating the Democratic Party.

In recent weeks, Texas Congressman Beto O’Rourke has become a lightning rod in a gathering political storm— largely because of the vast hype about him from mass media and Democratic power brokers. At such times, when spin goes into overdrive, we need incisive factual information. Investigative journalist David Sirota provided it in a deeply researched Dec. 20 article, which The Guardian published under the headline “Beto O’Rourke Frequently Voted for Republican Legislation, Analysis Reveals.”

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But it’s better to learn revealing political facts sooner rather than later. Thanks to Sirota’s coverage, for instance, we now know “O’Rourke has voted for GOP bills that his fellow Democratic lawmakers said reinforced Republicans’ anti-tax ideology, chipped away at the Affordable Care Act, weakened Wall Street regulations, boosted the fossil fuel industry and bolstered Donald Trump’s immigration policy.”

The backlash to Sirota’s news article was in keeping with a tweet two weeks earlier from Neera Tanden, the president of the influential and lavishly funded Center for American Progress, who has long been a major ally of Bill and Hillary Clinton. On Dec. 6, Tanden went over-the-top in response to a tweet from Sirota simply mentioning the fact that O’Rourke “is the #2 recipient of oil/gas industry campaign cash in the entire Congress.”

Tanden lashed out via Twitter, writing: “Oh look. A supporter of Bernie Sanders attacking a Democrat. This is seriously dangerous. We know Trump is in the White House and attacking Dems is doing Trump’s bidding. I hope Senator Sanders repudiates these attacks in 2019.”

Such calculated nonsense indicates just how panicky some powerful corporate Democrats are about Bernie’s likely presidential campaign—and just how anxious they are to protect corporate-oriented candidates from public scrutiny. The quest is to smother meaningful discussions of vital issues that should be center stage during the presidential campaign.

https://consortiumnews.com/2019/01/...-corporate-democrats-aim-to-stifle-criticism/
 
I'm just going to throw a scenario into the discussion that I haven't seen people talking about too much:

Suppose Sanders announces his candidacy, and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez backs him over his competition (including Warren).

I have a feeling that Sanders would dominate the primaries if this were to occur, assuming AOC isn't just a flash in the pan that everyone forgets about in a month, but is an example of a new wave of political messaging and galvanizing that happened to be harnessed by the left before the right learned how to do it. If someone of AOC's talents had appeared on the scene as a Twitter-savvy firebrand for the right, I'd be making the same prediction about Trump getting a second term. But I'm by no means an unbiased observer, so I'm curious about what people think the awakening of what can only accurately be described as class consciousness in younger voters who admire AOC means for the Democratic lineup in 2020, where literally one candidate is speaking in the language of class divisions.
 
I'm just going to throw a scenario into the discussion that I haven't seen people talking about too much:

Suppose Sanders announces his candidacy, and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez backs him over his competition (including Warren).

I have a feeling that Sanders would dominate the primaries if this were to occur, assuming AOC isn't just a flash in the pan that everyone forgets about in a month, but is an example of a new wave of political messaging and galvanizing that happened to be harnessed by the left before the right learned how to do it. If someone of AOC's talents had appeared on the scene as a Twitter-savvy firebrand for the right, I'd be making the same prediction about Trump getting a second term. But I'm by no means an unbiased observer, so I'm curious about what people think the awakening of what can only accurately be described as class consciousness in younger voters who admire AOC means for the Democratic lineup in 2020, where literally one candidate is speaking in the language of class divisions.

Interesting and a bit frightening. If a Bernie/AOC coalition starts gaining strength, it will be a great opportunity for Pootey's troll factory. Shouldn't be too hard to split the Dem vote by screaming
"SOCIALISM!", or if that doesn't do it, "COMMUNISM!" to frighten away moderate Dems and Independents, leaving the 42% unified to give Cheato (or more likely, whoever the Reps nominate after Cheato is removed) another term.
 
I'm just going to throw a scenario into the discussion that I haven't seen people talking about too much:

Suppose Sanders announces his candidacy, and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez backs him over his competition (including Warren).

I have a feeling that Sanders would dominate the primaries if this were to occur, assuming AOC isn't just a flash in the pan that everyone forgets about in a month, but is an example of a new wave of political messaging and galvanizing that happened to be harnessed by the left before the right learned how to do it. If someone of AOC's talents had appeared on the scene as a Twitter-savvy firebrand for the right, I'd be making the same prediction about Trump getting a second term. But I'm by no means an unbiased observer, so I'm curious about what people think the awakening of what can only accurately be described as class consciousness in younger voters who admire AOC means for the Democratic lineup in 2020, where literally one candidate is speaking in the language of class divisions.

Interesting and a bit frightening. If a Bernie/AOC coalition starts gaining strength, it will be a great opportunity for Pootey's troll factory. Shouldn't be too hard to split the Dem vote by screaming
"SOCIALISM!", or if that doesn't do it, "COMMUNISM!" to frighten away moderate Dems and Independents, leaving the 42% unified to give Cheato (or more likely, whoever the Reps nominate after Cheato is removed) another term.

Shaky-kneed moterates are less likly to vote for Trump than true progressives are to vote third pary. This site proves that point.
 
I'm just going to throw a scenario into the discussion that I haven't seen people talking about too much:

Suppose Sanders announces his candidacy, and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez backs him over his competition (including Warren).

I have a feeling that Sanders would dominate the primaries if this were to occur, assuming AOC isn't just a flash in the pan that everyone forgets about in a month, but is an example of a new wave of political messaging and galvanizing that happened to be harnessed by the left before the right learned how to do it. If someone of AOC's talents had appeared on the scene as a Twitter-savvy firebrand for the right, I'd be making the same prediction about Trump getting a second term. But I'm by no means an unbiased observer, so I'm curious about what people think the awakening of what can only accurately be described as class consciousness in younger voters who admire AOC means for the Democratic lineup in 2020, where literally one candidate is speaking in the language of class divisions.

Interesting and a bit frightening. If a Bernie/AOC coalition starts gaining strength, it will be a great opportunity for Pootey's troll factory. Shouldn't be too hard to split the Dem vote by screaming
"SOCIALISM!", or if that doesn't do it, "COMMUNISM!" to frighten away moderate Dems and Independents, leaving the 42% unified to give Cheato (or more likely, whoever the Reps nominate after Cheato is removed) another term.

Shaky-kneed moterates are less likly to vote for Trump than true progressives are to vote third pary. This site proves that point.

Let me put it this way: if and when the Democratic party realizes that its future lies in those who support people like AOC, Sanders, and Warren, and not boomers who are excited about Beto and Biden, would the change in public perception cause them to shift leftward, just as they shifted on other issues over the past few decades to accommodate public opinion? This might seem like a truism and not worth asking. But this situation seems unique because of the popularity of AOC among young voters, minorities, and people with less income (i.e. what used to be called the Democratic "base"). Would establishment Dems really resist the opportunity to ride on a wave of progressive discontent in order to stay in power? They've made worse tactical mistakes in the past, so maybe it wouldn't be a surprise.
 
Shaky-kneed moterates are less likly to vote for Trump than true progressives are to vote third pary. This site proves that point.

Let me put it this way: if and when the Democratic party realizes that its future lies in those who support people like AOC, Sanders, and Warren, and not boomers who are excited about Beto and Biden, would the change in public perception cause them to shift leftward, just as they shifted on other issues over the past few decades to accommodate public opinion? This might seem like a truism and not worth asking. But this situation seems unique because of the popularity of AOC among young voters, minorities, and people with less income (i.e. what used to be called the Democratic "base"). Would establishment Dems really resist the opportunity to ride on a wave of progressive discontent in order to stay in power? They've made worse tactical mistakes in the past, so maybe it wouldn't be a surprise.
How many AOC'ers won in purple districts, states? We need AOC's in the party, many of them, but there is this delusion that America is as blue as AOC's district.
 
Is there electoral advantage to have Harris-Beto ticket?

I'd be all about a Beto-Harris ticket. Although to assure victory, I'm not sure that his experience as a Texas congresscritter is enough.
But if they were running against Shitgibbon, it wouldn't matter - Al Bundy could probably beat him if things keep going the way they are. Hell, Ted fucking Bundy could beat him.
One thing that bothers me is the equivalence people are equating to running a campaign verses running a nation. One has to think Sherrod Brown is a leading nominee for the Presidency based on geography and the Electoral College. Who is Cortez, who is O'Rourke? O'Rourke lost the election and people want him to run for President. AOC has served for less than a month and her Twitter feed is all the evidence some people need to think her endorsement is that of a kingmaker.
 
Shaky-kneed moterates are less likly to vote for Trump than true progressives are to vote third pary. This site proves that point.

Let me put it this way: if and when the Democratic party realizes that its future lies in those who support people like AOC, Sanders, and Warren, and not boomers who are excited about Beto and Biden, would the change in public perception cause them to shift leftward, just as they shifted on other issues over the past few decades to accommodate public opinion? This might seem like a truism and not worth asking. But this situation seems unique because of the popularity of AOC among young voters, minorities, and people with less income (i.e. what used to be called the Democratic "base"). Would establishment Dems really resist the opportunity to ride on a wave of progressive discontent in order to stay in power? They've made worse tactical mistakes in the past, so maybe it wouldn't be a surprise.
How many AOC'ers won in purple districts, states? We need AOC's in the party, many of them, but there is this delusion that America is as blue as AOC's district.

Yeah, it's waaaaay to early to look at things in those terms. I'm just speculating on the possibility that what we think of as "purple" districts are not taking into account a swath of young voters who would rather back someone AOC is backing than anybody else, just because of her current freshness (whether she's deserving of it or not). It would have to be the kind of thing that influences people who aren't normally captured by polling data to make their voices heard in other ways that are audible to the Democratic party leadership. Now that I type that, it seems even less likely to happen. It's not that America is as blue as AOC, but it's certainly bluer than the current representation in DC would suggest, and I would suggest bluer than the stable of likely Presidential candidates would suggest
 
My black friends aren't nearly as far to the left as some of my white friends. Black folks make up a large part of the Democratic party, so I think it's important to have a candidate that appeals to them, as well as to a good percentage of working class whites. I don't think young people are as enamored over Bernie as they were in 2016.

The Dems need to win some swing states and those swing state voters aren't going to vote for someone who appears to be too far to the left. I just hope that Bernie, doesn't run. Aside from his age, he's all talk and has accomplished very little during his many years in Congress. I'd vote for Warren if she ends up being the best possibility. At least she's very smart, has a law degree and understands how government works. I don't think the other women who have declared so far are more appealing than her. She's going to have to work hard to be more attractive to minorities. I'm not sure that she could win. I hope it won't be too long before we know exactly who is running. I hope those who run but don't inspire much enthusiasm will back out long before the primaries begin.

People like AOC and Bernie need to come to terms with the fact that our country is not nearly as far to the left as they are. Perhaps AOC will figure this o convenient. I wasn't crazy about Clinton, because she had a lot of baggage. I only voted for her because I saw her as the best choice at the time. She's been accused of being too conservative, too liberal, too this and too that. Her time is over. Bernie's time is also over. I hope they have the good sense to come to terms with that. I primarily want an attractive, pragmatic candidate that knows how to compromise.

I'm also not impressed with Beto. His latest videos and some things he's been pondering have been kind of kooky. He doesn't have enough experience to suit me.

I've also read some disturbing things about Harris, so I'm pretty much ruling her out. She was a bit too hard on crime when she was a prosecutor. That will be used against her if she decides to run. Maybe she's changed but when you're in politics, everything you ever did is used against you by the opposition.
 
My black friends aren't nearly as far to the left as some of my white friends. Black folks make up a large part of the Democratic party, so I think it's important to have a candidate that appeals to them, as well as to a good percentage of working class whites. I don't think young people are as enamored over Bernie as they were in 2016.

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People like AOC and Bernie need to come to terms with the fact that our country is not nearly as far to the left as they are. Perhaps AOC will figure this o convenient. I wasn't crazy about Clinton, because she had a lot of baggage. I only voted for her because I saw her as the best choice at the time. She's been accused of being too conservative, too liberal, too this and too that. Her time is over. Bernie's time is also over. I hope they have the good sense to come to terms with that. I primarily want an attractive, pragmatic candidate that knows how to compromise.

Bernie Sanders has highest approval rating among nonwhite voters and second highest among adults polled
 
My black friends aren't nearly as far to the left as some of my white friends. Black folks make up a large part of the Democratic party, so I think it's important to have a candidate that appeals to them, as well as to a good percentage of working class whites. I don't think young people are as enamored over Bernie as they were in 2016.

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People like AOC and Bernie need to come to terms with the fact that our country is not nearly as far to the left as they are. Perhaps AOC will figure this o convenient. I wasn't crazy about Clinton, because she had a lot of baggage. I only voted for her because I saw her as the best choice at the time. She's been accused of being too conservative, too liberal, too this and too that. Her time is over. Bernie's time is also over. I hope they have the good sense to come to terms with that. I primarily want an attractive, pragmatic candidate that knows how to compromise.

Bernie Sanders has highest approval rating among nonwhite voters and second highest among adults polled

No, no. People hate Bernie Sanders and the progressive agenda. I think the people really want Terry McAuliffe. He's like Tim Kaine. People love Tim Kaine!

Clearly, people want a Third Way Democrat. Yup.
 
My black friends aren't nearly as far to the left as some of my white friends. Black folks make up a large part of the Democratic party, so I think it's important to have a candidate that appeals to them, as well as to a good percentage of working class whites. I don't think young people are as enamored over Bernie as they were in 2016.

The Dems need to win some swing states and those swing state voters aren't going to vote for someone who appears to be too far to the left. I just hope that Bernie, doesn't run. Aside from his age, he's all talk and has accomplished very little during his many years in Congress. I'd vote for Warren if she ends up being the best possibility. At least she's very smart, has a law degree and understands how government works. I don't think the other women who have declared so far are more appealing than her. She's going to have to work hard to be more attractive to minorities. I'm not sure that she could win. I hope it won't be too long before we know exactly who is running. I hope those who run but don't inspire much enthusiasm will back out long before the primaries begin.

People like AOC and Bernie need to come to terms with the fact that our country is not nearly as far to the left as they are. Perhaps AOC will figure this o convenient. I wasn't crazy about Clinton, because she had a lot of baggage. I only voted for her because I saw her as the best choice at the time. She's been accused of being too conservative, too liberal, too this and too that. Her time is over. Bernie's time is also over. I hope they have the good sense to come to terms with that. I primarily want an attractive, pragmatic candidate that knows how to compromise.

I'm also not impressed with Beto. His latest videos and some things he's been pondering have been kind of kooky. He doesn't have enough experience to suit me.

I've also read some disturbing things about Harris, so I'm pretty much ruling her out. She was a bit too hard on crime when she was a prosecutor. That will be used against her if she decides to run. Maybe she's changed but when you're in politics, everything you ever did is used against you by the opposition.

^This.

HRC crushed Bernie among Black voters. The Presidential election is going to be decided in a few states, most of the other states are predictable. You're going to have to have broader appeal than the far left to get enough of them to win.


@PyramidHead. You link says non-white, it doesn't say black nor does it separate non-white ethnicities. Blacks aren't the largest group of people who aren't White. Latinos are the biggest minority group in the U.S. but Blacks are a close second.


CNN said:
What's the big idea: This race was supposed to be a marquee match-up for the left wing of the Democratic Party. Cuomo has a history of siding with Republicans in the state Senate, and the state's progressive Working Class Party backed Nixon. It would have been the capstone for progressives after Democratic socialist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez defeated New York's Rep. Joe Crowley in a primary in June.



The left, though, hasn't been able to make a dent in Cuomo. His current margin over Nixon is actually larger than his margin over progressive challenger Zephyr Teachout in the 2014 Democratic primary for governor.
Cuomo's large lead is emblematic of two important trends in the Democratic Party.
The first, and perhaps most obvious, is that progressives look likely to fail in their biggest 2018 tests in the two biggest blue states. Besides Cuomo, Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California looks to be on her way to victory against Kevin de Leon. As with Nixon, progressive activists have endorsed his campaign. Voters overall, though, have a different perspective. Feinstein ended up 32 points ahead of de Leon in June's top-two primary. She also holds a large lead over him in general election polls.
While the #resistance is strong in both states, neither is a haven for the left wing of the Democratic Party quite yet.
The second trend is that Cuomo's lead is indicative of is the continually poor showing by progressive insurgents among black voters.
Cuomo is leading across pretty much all demographic groups, but he's particularly strong among African-Americans. Although no crosstab of black voters was available in the Quinnipiac poll, an earlier Siena College poll put Cuomo's margin over Nixon among black voters at 74% to 17%.
His advantage among black voters is no fluke.
When Ocasio-Cortez was cruising district-wide, she was weak in black neighborhoods. She was able to win in large part because of strength in areas with larger white populations.
Progressive Daniel Biss lost the Illinois gubernatorial primary earlier this year at least partially because he ran weak in the black neighborhoods of Chicago.
In 2016, Sen. Bernie Sanders, a Vermont independent who caucuses with Democrats, could never quite overcome Hillary Clinton's connection with black voters. She won them in New York by 50 points, for example.
Even for Cuomo, a black base is nothing new. When he beat Teachout four years ago, he did best in areas that were predominantly black.
Of course, Ocasio-Cortez was able to win overall anyway. That wasn't the case for the progressives in the other examples, though. It's tough for progressive challengers to win when they lose by 50 points among a group who make up more than a fifth of the electorate.
Why are progressive insurgents struggling with black voters? Black Democrats are more likely to consider themselves moderate or conservative than other Democrats.
They also are more likely to identify as Democrats instead of independents who lean Democratic.

That is, they are far more comfortable with the more moderate Democratic establishment than other Democrats are, especially whites.
Now obviously it's possible for progressive challengers to win a primary even with this difficulty (see Ocasio-Cortez). But until candidates like Nixon and Sanders solve their black voter problem, they're going to be limited in their electoral victories.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/21/politics/nixon-black-voter-problem/index.html


Not all non-Whites are Black.
 
How many AOC'ers won in purple districts, states? We need AOC's in the party, many of them, but there is this delusion that America is as blue as AOC's district.

Yeah, it's waaaaay to early to look at things in those terms. I'm just speculating on the possibility that what we think of as "purple" districts are not taking into account a swath of young voters who would rather back someone AOC is backing than anybody else, just because of her current freshness (whether she's deserving of it or not). It would have to be the kind of thing that influences people who aren't normally captured by polling data to make their voices heard in other ways that are audible to the Democratic party leadership. Now that I type that, it seems even less likely to happen. It's not that America is as blue as AOC, but it's certainly bluer than the current representation in DC would suggest, and I would suggest bluer than the stable of likely Presidential candidates would suggest
If this was true, more AOC's would have won primaries in 2018. They didn't.

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My black friends aren't nearly as far to the left as some of my white friends. Black folks make up a large part of the Democratic party, so I think it's important to have a candidate that appeals to them, as well as to a good percentage of working class whites. I don't think young people are as enamored over Bernie as they were in 2016.

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People like AOC and Bernie need to come to terms with the fact that our country is not nearly as far to the left as they are. Perhaps AOC will figure this o convenient. I wasn't crazy about Clinton, because she had a lot of baggage. I only voted for her because I saw her as the best choice at the time. She's been accused of being too conservative, too liberal, too this and too that. Her time is over. Bernie's time is also over. I hope they have the good sense to come to terms with that. I primarily want an attractive, pragmatic candidate that knows how to compromise.

Bernie Sanders has highest approval rating among nonwhite voters and second highest among adults polled

No, no. People hate Bernie Sanders and the progressive agenda. I think the people really want Terry McAuliffe. He's like Tim Kaine. People love Tim Kaine!

Clearly, people want a Third Way Democrat. Yup.
Is this why the Sanders backed Florida Governor candidate won like 5 of the other 8 Governor candidates he endorsed?
 
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