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Democrats 2020

Harry Bosch said:
Jolly_Penguin said:
It's ok. I can still condemn you, Harry.

I have been hoping for Bernie to win for years. It could be a sign of great progress in the US. An indicator that the people are going to rise and transform the nation into one that puts the people first.
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Good deal! I know that the need to feel culturally superior is very luring!
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Of course you do. You know all about smug superiority complexes. You are American.
 
Jason Harvestdancer said:
Bernie Sanders presents himself as an anti-war candidate. But he has voted in favor of almost every single U.S. military intervention in the last two decades. A look at his record...

Not on Our Side: On Bernie Sanders and Imperialism
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I'm pretty consistently call out Bernie on the issues. But to claim that he's an imperialist? Wondering if your above link is the Onion! He's imperialist because he supports soldiers getting paid? Whaaat? I think that it's pretty looney to expect soldiers to not get paid. If you want to blame someone for a war, blame the politicians and their supporters! Secondly, Bernie is an imperialist because he favored retaliating against Al-quada and their supporters after the attacked the US? Really? Finally, blame Bernie for being anti-arab? Here's his direct position regarding Israel/Pal: Bernie hopes that the United States will help broker a two-state solution and work with the international community to end the blockade of Gaza, resolve the dispute over the borders of the West Bank, and allow “both the Israeli and Palestinian people to live in peace.” How is wanting two sides to live in peace favoring one side over the other?
 
Harry Bosch said:
How is wanting two sides to live in peace favoring one side over the other?
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The anti-Israel Left sees anything short of the so-called "one state solution" where Israel is destroyed and replaced with Arab and Muslim dominated "Palestine" as favoring Israel.

BTW, Bernie's surrogate Rashida Tlaib is one of those.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
Okay, so Sanders momentum is growing. Super Tuesday will be the day to see if he gets to the point of consolidation.

Sanders isn’t my first pick, as he is very old, not great health, has a ‘socialist’ label vulnerability, and some of his supporters are fucking nuts and could provide Trump a narrative to bash Sanders into a pulp.

His platform is otherwise sound and his victory in Nevada is showing a more widespread spectrum of support.

So the question for me is who do you put on the ticket to ice this cake? He needs icing, a bit of it: a statesman due to his health, some demographic pleasers, and someone to make people who might not be energetic to him energetic to that ticket.
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I don't think it would be wise for him to pick a Senator. He's going to need every vote in the Senate he can get in order to enact any part of his agenda, no matter how modest or sensible.

It would be really interesting if he picked Andrew Yang, and possibly to his advantage among business oriented Democrats worried about having a Socialist for President, but it's unlikely. I don't think Yang has the pull Sanders will need to unify the Party behind him.

I think he needs someone like Tammy Duckworth on his ticket.
 
Arctish said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
Okay, so Sanders momentum is growing. Super Tuesday will be the day to see if he gets to the point of consolidation.

Sanders isn’t my first pick, as he is very old, not great health, has a ‘socialist’ label vulnerability, and some of his supporters are fucking nuts and could provide Trump a narrative to bash Sanders into a pulp.

His platform is otherwise sound and his victory in Nevada is showing a more widespread spectrum of support.

So the question for me is who do you put on the ticket to ice this cake? He needs icing, a bit of it: a statesman due to his health, some demographic pleasers, and someone to make people who might not be energetic to him energetic to that ticket.
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I don't think it would be wise for him to pick a Senator. He's going to need every vote in the Senate he can get in order to enact any part of his agenda, no matter how modest or sensible.

It would be really interesting if he picked Andrew Yang, and possibly to his advantage among business oriented Democrats worried about having a Socialist for President, but it's unlikely. I don't think Yang has the pull Sanders will need to unify the Party behind him.

I think he needs someone like Tammy Duckworth on his ticket.
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Tammy Duckworth is pretty impressive. I like her. However, if Sanders is nominated, I think that Sanders will need to find a VP who can help deliver the west, the mid-west, the East, the south, and all other parts of the country which is concerned about his policies.
 
Tammy Duckworth is somebody you want to like, but as a Senator, she has been pretty much a do-nothing Senator. She can be counted to vote right when the chips are down, but she does not seem to be able to initiate bills, shephard them through, or get anything passed. She has accomplished little, sadly enough.

VP for Sanders? How about, Tada!...., Adam Schiff. Or failing that, Adam Schiff as Attorney General, replacing the miserable and wretched William Barr.
 
Anand Giridharadas on Twitter: "This is a wake-up moment for the American power establishment.
Many in this elite are behaving like aristocrats in a dying regime — including in media.
It’s time for many to step up, rethink, and understand the dawn of what may be a new era in America. https://t.co/tr2jpTD7YY" / Twitter
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Anand Giridharadas on Twitter: "I needed to speak truth about my colleague @HardballChris.
You simply cannot compare the victory of Bernie Sanders, whose kin was murdered in the Holocaust, to the Nazi defeat of France.
This is a moment in media to grow and become curious or irrelevant. https://t.co/tr2jpTD7YY" / Twitter
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Anand Giridharadas on Twitter: "I was at a friend’s 40th birthday party late last night. An editor friend and I got into a conversation about how so many in media are failing to see this moment. I realized then that I needed to wake up, write down some notes, and speak truth on this.
Thank you for watching." / Twitter
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Anand Giridharadas on Twitter: "Full 28-minute video, including panel, here: https://t.co/5hfP7WHOcq" / Twitter
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AM JOY Panel Post Bernie's Nevada Blowout win - YouTube

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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "I hope folks listen to what Anand is saying here.
Mass movements are beginning to transform our political landscape in a way we haven’t seen in a long time.
This kind of politics is an important shift away from saviorism. It’s not about “the one” - it’s about the many. #NotMeUs https://t.co/sgOCXHz91L" / Twitter
#NotMeUs - a Bernie Sanders slogan.
 
Marianne Williamson endorses Bernie Sanders for president - CNNPolitics
"Bernie Sanders has taken a stand, and Bernie Sanders has been taking a stand for a very long time. He has been consistent, he has been convicted, he has been committed. And now it's time, I'm here and you're here, because it's time for us to take a stand with Bernie," Williamson told the crowd in Austin.

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"We're being told oh, it can't happen. He can't beat (President Donald) Trump. Bernie can't beat Trump, it can't happen," Williamson said. "I'll tell you what's already happened to those who say it cannot happen. You just tell them this. It already happened. He won Iowa. It already happened, he won New Hampshire. It already happened, he won Nevada," Williamson added, pointing to Sanders' growing momentum.
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Harry Reid calls for end to all caucuses | TheHill
Reid said in a statement that the Nevada Democratic Party "did a good job" with Saturday's caucuses following the chaos in Iowa after its first-in-the-nation contest, while calling on the caucus system to be dropped entirely.

“I am so proud of the Nevada Democratic Party, its talented staff, and the thousands of grassroots volunteers who have done so much hard work over the years to build this operation. We have the best state party in the country, and that was shown again this past week after another successful caucus that featured a historic four days of early voting with more than 10,000 new voter registrations," Reid said of the Nevada Democratic Party.
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Andrew Yang🧢 on Twitter: "I’m not sure of the value of caucuses over primaries. They seem to suppress turnout, add complexity, and put pressure on state parties to conduct operations that they are ill-equipped for. Ideally we would use a more straightforward process that includes ranked-choice voting." / Twitter

CNN Politics on Twitter: "Andrew Yang believes candidates need to step back to help the Democrats' chances of defeating President Trump in November.
"Someone needs to pull an Andrew Yang and be like, 'I've done the math, I'm not going to win'" #cnnelection [url]https://t.co/8IlP0xcXmV https://t.co/5dj9xicI4l" / Twitter[/url]
 
Jason Harvestdancer said:
Accused jihadist warlord. If you disagree show me the court proceedings where the executive established his guilt to a judge and convicted him of being a jihadist warlord.

If a fool commits himself and is found guilty of it. Accusation isn't proof.

We are not advocating letting him get away with waging war against the US. You are advocating that accusation is proof of guilt.
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He's an extremist Muzzie, what other proof is needed?
 
Cheerful Charlie said:
Tammy Duckworth is somebody you want to like, but as a Senator, she has been pretty much a do-nothing Senator. She can be counted to vote right when the chips are down, but she does not seem to be able to initiate bills, shephard them through, or get anything passed. She has accomplished little, sadly enough.

VP for Sanders? How about, Tada!...., Adam Schiff. Or failing that, Adam Schiff as Attorney General, replacing the miserable and wretched William Barr.
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Why not go the whole Venezuela hog and pick AOC as VP?
 
Let's not lose sight of the fact that primaries are very different from general elections. Speculation over electability now just focuses on personalities, but the general election includes vice presidents. Popularity among Democrats is not the same as poularity among American voters. Sanders could go a long way in improving his electability in the general by balancing his ticket wisely. Clinton did very little to help herself on that score, so I wonder whether Sanders is going to look outside his circle of admirers to make a pragmatic choice.

In any case, we just have three small states on which to base all the predictions that Sander's modest bandwagon won't lose a wheel on Super Tuesday. And two of those states were not even primaries. It's still too early to coronate him.
 
Nevada caucuses: Latinos were Bernie Sanders’s key to victory - Vox - "Sanders has been courting Latinos for months. It helped him sweep the vote in Nevada."
Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders seems to have swept Latino voters in the Saturday’s Nevada caucuses, an affirmation of his months-long investments in outreach that could presage his success in primaries still to come in heavily Latino states.

Sanders is counting on Latino voters, the largest nonwhite contingent of voters in 2020, to carry him to the Democratic nomination. In Nevada, where Latinos make up about 19 percent of eligible voters, they helped hand him a big victory.

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Sanders is trying to appeal to Latino voters with a progressive policy platform that speaks to their core interests: health care, jobs, and, for some, immigration. Starting last summer, he has invested heavily in spreading his message, in both Spanish and English, to Latino communities. And he’s hired Latino staff from the grassroots advocacy community and integrated them into every facet of his campaign.
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AOC has campaigned for Tío Bernie as she sometimes calls him, Uncle Bernie in Spanish, and she has even spoken Spanish in some of her campaigning. What BS did seems like what AOC did over 2017-18, seek out new voters rather than focus on people who might otherwise have gone for other candidates.
 
angelo said:
Cheerful Charlie said:
Tammy Duckworth is somebody you want to like, but as a Senator, she has been pretty much a do-nothing Senator. She can be counted to vote right when the chips are down, but she does not seem to be able to initiate bills, shephard them through, or get anything passed. She has accomplished little, sadly enough.

VP for Sanders? How about, Tada!...., Adam Schiff. Or failing that, Adam Schiff as Attorney General, replacing the miserable and wretched William Barr.
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Why not go the whole Venezuela hog and pick AOC as VP?
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With recent current events in my life, I read a post like this and Rush's song "Wish Them Well" springs to mind.
 
lpetrich said:
Nevada caucuses: Latinos were Bernie Sanders’s key to victory - Vox - "Sanders has been courting Latinos for months. It helped him sweep the vote in Nevada."
Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders seems to have swept Latino voters in the Saturday’s Nevada caucuses, an affirmation of his months-long investments in outreach that could presage his success in primaries still to come in heavily Latino states.

Sanders is counting on Latino voters, the largest nonwhite contingent of voters in 2020, to carry him to the Democratic nomination. In Nevada, where Latinos make up about 19 percent of eligible voters, they helped hand him a big victory.

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Sanders is trying to appeal to Latino voters with a progressive policy platform that speaks to their core interests: health care, jobs, and, for some, immigration. Starting last summer, he has invested heavily in spreading his message, in both Spanish and English, to Latino communities. And he’s hired Latino staff from the grassroots advocacy community and integrated them into every facet of his campaign.
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AOC has campaigned for Tío Bernie as she sometimes calls him, Uncle Bernie in Spanish, and she has even spoken Spanish in some of her campaigning. What BS did seems like what AOC did over 2017-18, seek out new voters rather than focus on people who might otherwise have gone for other candidates.
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They're like two peas in a pod. One is just plain stupid, the other is or near senility.
 
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