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Deriving a moral philosophy from Jesus.

There's strong theology behind the concept a need for dividing The Law into two streams - casuistic and apodictic.

God's Chosen (covenant) people were more strictly disciplined because they would need discipline.

T OP about morality based on what Jesus is reported to have said.

How do the sayings of Jesus listed earlier affect how you think, act, and speak? Everything else is handwaving. All the theology this and theology that is meaningless.

If what Jesus said is not what you do then what are you?

If you believe in an afterlife and that Jesus said the meek shall inherit the Earth hoe can you support war? Jesus went to his death without fighting back.
 
In my opinion, if one is looking for sources for stuff from which to construct a personal moral philosophy, Jesus, or words attributed to him, is/are one good source. Obviously, it isn't necessary to take the whole job lot, but that's probably true of any source.

Something similar could be said about taking stuff from the bible in general.

But if your cherry picking, then you aren't actually taking anything from it at all. You have to already have a moral philosophy to determine what parts you're going to cherry pick. So, then Jesus and the NT aren't actually a "source" but merely serving as something to dishonestly quote that agrees with what you already think anyways.

I say "dishonestly quote", b/c honest quoting requires acknowledging any other Biblical quotes that are relevant to that issue, and almost everything Jesus said is contradicted by something else he said. That is especially true since Jesus said "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them. For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished"

IOW, Jesus said that everything that in Hebrew law and the OT that was said before him is the law and still applies. So, all the ugliest genocidal intolerance of the OT are included in the "moral philosophy" of Jesus.
Then there is no such thing as a moral philosophy. I've never met someone who derives their moral perspective entirely and only from a single source, within which they preference no particular element. There are no Christians, certainly, but also no utilitarians, no deontologists, no virtue ethicists, nor any other defined moral perspective. Anyone who quotes Mills is a liar, because they don't believe everything Mills did. Virtue ethicists are hypocrites who accept Aristotles' moral philosophy when it suits them but heinously reject geocentrism, which is also contained in his work.

Your black and white definition of what constitutes cherry picking may be emotionally satisfying, but it doesn't describe the real world very well, a world in which people are always negotiating a complex array of cultural and intellectual influences. Even if they come to prefer one school over another, that will never be absolute or all-encompassing, nor should we expect it to be. People are thinking organisms, not automatons. I note that your approach would lead to getting extremely sick if you actually picking cherries, and per your instructions insisting on eating exclusively cherries and every cherry, regardless of its degree of ripeness, health, moldiness, etc.

I'm not saying anything against being selective and "picking" your moral or cherries carefully. I am saying that if you are selectively picking from something, then you already have selection criteria / moral beliefs in place before you ever get to that "something". That logically means that "something" (i.e., The Bible and Jesus's words therein) cannot be the source of your morals, if you are using pre-existing morals to decide what to select from the Bible and Jesus' words. So, in the case of cherry picking Jesus' words, it means you are not picking your morals from Jesus or the Bible but rather you are just picking words use as a post-hoc rationalization for the morals you have already chosen.

If you go to a cherry tree and pick cherries. The tree and the cherries are not what determined which cherries you ate. You decided that based upon ideas you already had before you ever saw the tree.
 
Then there is no such thing as a moral philosophy. I've never met someone who derives their moral perspective entirely and only from a single source, within which they preference no particular element. There are no Christians, certainly, but also no utilitarians, no deontologists, no virtue ethicists, nor any other defined moral perspective. Anyone who quotes Mills is a liar, because they don't believe everything Mills did. Virtue ethicists are hypocrites who accept Aristotles' moral philosophy when it suits them but heinously reject geocentrism, which is also contained in his work.

Your black and white definition of what constitutes cherry picking may be emotionally satisfying, but it doesn't describe the real world very well, a world in which people are always negotiating a complex array of cultural and intellectual influences. Even if they come to prefer one school over another, that will never be absolute or all-encompassing, nor should we expect it to be. People are thinking organisms, not automatons. I note that your approach would lead to getting extremely sick if you actually picking cherries, and per your instructions insisting on eating exclusively cherries and every cherry, regardless of its degree of ripeness, health, moldiness, etc.

I'm not saying anything against being selective and "picking" your moral or cherries carefully. I am saying that if you are selectively picking from something, then you already have selection criteria / moral beliefs in place before you ever get to that "something". That logically means that "something" (i.e., The Bible and Jesus's words therein) cannot be the source of your morals, if you are using pre-existing morals to decide what to select from the Bible and Jesus' words. So, in the case of cherry picking Jesus' words, it means you are not picking your morals from Jesus or the Bible but rather you are just picking words use as a post-hoc rationalization for the morals you have already chosen.

If you go to a cherry tree and pick cherries. The tree and the cherries are not what determined which cherries you ate. You decided that based upon ideas you already had before you ever saw the tree.

Jesus himself used that same example. Picking fruit from a tree, I mean. Part of your discretion does, or should, include choosing the tree carefully. In the words of the teacher himself, "good trees bear good fruit." So the question isn't "why are you only picking ripe cherries", but rather "why are you picking cherries in the first place?". Your internal rule of only picking ripe cherries is not your motivation for eating cherries, it's just a practical rule for not getting sick while you're at it.

If I find Mills' On Liberty to be a useful moral guide, but also take into account the times in which it is written, that doesn't mean that I no longer consider it a guide to moral consideration at all, or that historical criticism is now the source of my morality (whatever that even means) simply because I am carefully considering which parts remain relevant and which have become obsolete, or meaningfully challenged by other writers, etc. I may well continue to find his basic principles useful, even though some of his specific examples no longer apply, or involved an assumption he didn't realize he was making. It can still be my favorite work on moral philosophy. I can still read it again and again, and call myself a moral utilitarian without any contradiction.

And since it is Mills, rather than YHWH, it would never occur to anyone to contest the label. The argument "you're being inconsistent because you claim to be Utilitarian but disagree with famous Utilitarian works on several issues" wouldn't make sense to anyone. Of course you do. You may like Mills, but you aren't Mills, and neither Mills nor Jesus would approve of someone reading their work uncritically, even a student of theirs. The way some people talk about interpreting Scripture bleeds of special pleading. Especially if the topic of discussion is philosophy and lived morality, why should preferring (but intelligently reading) the Bible be any different from reading any other favored prominent work on moral philosophy. Sure, some claim that God wrote every word of it, using his Cosmic Secretary to chunk out every line exactly as He intended it. For some reason, four Cosmic Secretaries, seemingly recounting slightly different versions of the same events from four perspectives as though in a deliberate attempt to confuse everyone. But if you don't believe that, then not only is it okay to read the book more critically while still admiring it, I would say you have... well, a moral responsibility to do so. So the question is, do you believe the underlying claim? If not, there's no good reason to attempt, against all apparent reason, to defend it.

As to Jesus, if he wanted the so called New Testament to be written at all, let alone worshiped, he would have written it himself; the man was obviously literate, so why didn't he? And he wouldn't have taught almost exclusively in parables, a pedagogical form which absolutely requires critical thought, since most of them (and I would bet good money, originally all of them) contain no literal explanation of their inherently allegorical content. He was training up shepherds, not sheep, and he said as much. You think it makes sense to read the bible like a moral instruction manual because you were taught to do so. Not because it makes much inherent sense to do so, and not because you have any convincing reason to think that Jesus would want you to.
 
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There's strong theology behind the concept a need for dividing The Law into two streams - casuistic and apodictic.

God's Chosen (covenant) people were more strictly disciplined because they would need discipline.

T OP about morality based on what Jesus is reported to have said.

Yes. I understand that.

How do the sayings of Jesus listed earlier affect how you think, act, and speak?

Yes. I understand what you're asking. This is pretty basic stuff.
Matthew 7:15-20 "You will know them by their fruits..."

Everything else is handwaving. All the theology this and theology that is meaningless.

Theology is just a process of reasoning. We apply reasoning to all kinds of subject matter.
Ironically, you sound like you are handwaving when it comes to theology.

If what Jesus said is not what you do then what are you?

Imperfect.

If you believe in an afterlife and that Jesus said the meek shall inherit the Earth how can you support war?

I don't support war. Neither does Jesus. Neither does God. Neither does the bible.
Humans start wars. God only gets involved in wars to hasten the end of war.


Jesus went to his death without fighting back.

Yes. Pity you don't like theology.
Otherwise we could explore why He did that.
And we could consider His resurrection as the ultimate form of fighting back.
 
I'm not saying anything against being selective and "picking" your moral or cherries carefully. I am saying that if you are selectively picking from something, then you already have selection criteria / moral beliefs in place before you ever get to that "something". That logically means that "something" (i.e., The Bible and Jesus's words therein) cannot be the source of your morals, if you are using pre-existing morals to decide what to select from the Bible and Jesus' words. So, in the case of cherry picking Jesus' words, it means you are not picking your morals from Jesus or the Bible but rather you are just picking words use as a post-hoc rationalization for the morals you have already chosen.

If you go to a cherry tree and pick cherries. The tree and the cherries are not what determined which cherries you ate. You decided that based upon ideas you already had before you ever saw the tree.

Which is why even the most devout fundy doesn't do everything he hears about what bibles say. It's just more input, and the stuff he doesn't like he doesn't do. Same for what they hear about a god, they still do what they think is right.
 
Yes. Pity you don't like theology.
Otherwise we could explore why He did that.
And we could consider His resurrection as the ultimate form of fighting back.

If you look at the bible as myth and metaphor then is insight to be had. Job is a great story.

Jesus died because it was part of the plan is that not so, son of god sacrificial lamb. Biblical antecedents for the symbolism. If you really want to dicuss theology go ahead.

Please spare me the religious condescension.

You are inventing theology right before our eyes, inventing reasons not stated for the experience of Jesus.


Why has no meaning unless you live by the sayings of Jesus.

Saying you are imperfect is an old excuse.
 
The problem with the bible is that it does express opposing sets of moral values within its pages.

Creating contradictions, it forces the believer to choose between two different sets of values, or face the contradiction.

Many believers appear to take the first option, take the good and ignore the bad.
 
There's strong theology behind the concept a need for dividing The Law into two streams - casuistic and apodictic.

God's Chosen (covenant) people were more strictly disciplined because they would need discipline.
The words attributed to Jesus have him say that he came to uphold the law of the prophets, not abolish them.
 
Yes. Pity you don't like theology.
Otherwise we could explore why He did that.
And we could consider His resurrection as the ultimate form of fighting back.

If you look at the bible as myth and metaphor then is insight to be had. Job is a great story.

Jesus died because it was part of the plan is that not so, son of god sacrificial lamb. Biblical antecedents for the symbolism. If you really want to dicuss theology go ahead.

Please spare me the religious condescension.

You are inventing theology right before our eyes, inventing reasons not stated for the experience of Jesus.

Its invention to you because you do not agree with the theology or rather the theists interpretation, when you have your own. Both worth discussing or debating anyway (which we sort of are).


Why has no meaning unless you live by the sayings of Jesus.

Saying you are imperfect is an old excuse.

Top sentence I would agree here, in context to luke warm.

And the old "excuse" IS a biblical saying, i.e. no-one is perfect.
 
There's strong theology behind the concept a need for dividing The Law into two streams - casuistic and apodictic.

God's Chosen (covenant) people were more strictly disciplined because they would need discipline.
The words attributed to Jesus have him say that he came to uphold the law of the prophets, not abolish them.

Indeed He added to them making them even stricter but at the same time, He gave His Two Greatest commandments that all the laws of the prophets hang on. Which is easier for good reason (e.g. for sinners like me).
 
I like the part about taking care of the least among us and loving your neighbor. I think the language "love thy neighbor" is awkward and in today's world, where we've made love and hate binary and absolute to the extreme, would be more realistically expressed as "care about your neighbor."

No matter how privileged you are, if you work in the interests of the powerless and most vulnerable in society, you also work in your own interests because you live in a society where everyone matters if the poorest and least productive matter as much as anyone else.

The sense of this teaching seems obvious to me. I don't know why it's rocket science to so many supposed Christians.

I agree all that other control freaky moralizing is garbage.We're not children, at least no more so than the people who wrote the damn Bible in the first place. It's just immature patriarchal ignorance born of animal brain urge to dominate and control. Just take care of each other and don't judge what's not your business and what's not hurting anyone. Respect for autonomy is all but non existent among the various strains of Christianity.

But then again, Christianity is not actually a set of moral teachings and wisdom for human behavior. It's a social dominance ideology that hijacks fear and prejudice and ensures that older males have power and control. Even a couple of thousand years ago, this mentality was stunted and the lowest of human thought and endeavor.
 
There's strong theology behind the concept a need for dividing The Law into two streams - casuistic and apodictic.

God's Chosen (covenant) people were more strictly disciplined because they would need discipline.
The words attributed to Jesus have him say that he came to uphold the law of the prophets, not abolish them.

You left out the bit where Jesus also scolded them for not understanding the law.

John 5:45 "Your accuser is Moses..."
Matthew 22:29 "You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God..."
Luke 16:31 "...if they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.'"
John 3:10 "You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, “and you do not understand these things?…"
John 9:28 "And they reviled him, saying, “You are his disciple, but we are disciples of Moses."
 
There's strong theology behind the concept a need for dividing The Law into two streams - casuistic and apodictic.

God's Chosen (covenant) people were more strictly disciplined because they would need discipline.
The words attributed to Jesus have him say that he came to uphold the law of the prophets, not abolish them.

You left out the bit where Jesus also scolded them for not understanding the law.

John 5:45 "Your accuser is Moses..."
Matthew 22:29 "You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God..."
Luke 16:31 "...if they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.'"
John 3:10 "You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, “and you do not understand these things?…"
John 9:28 "And they reviled him, saying, “You are his disciple, but we are disciples of Moses."

The laws of the prophets are there for anyone to see and read. We can read what the laws say.

Are you saying that the laws as they are written and expressed are somehow so esoteric that it takes a special kind of mind to perceive their meaning?
 
You left out the bit where Jesus also scolded them for not understanding the law.

John 5:45 "Your accuser is Moses..."
Matthew 22:29 "You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God..."
Luke 16:31 "...if they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.'"
John 3:10 "You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, “and you do not understand these things?…"
John 9:28 "And they reviled him, saying, “You are his disciple, but we are disciples of Moses."

The laws of the prophets are there for anyone to see and read. We can read what the laws say.

Are you saying that the laws as they are written and expressed are somehow so esoteric that it takes a special kind of mind to perceive their meaning?

Apologetics is only necessary because the bible is perfect. That's what the discussion is about.
 
You left out the bit where Jesus also scolded them for not understanding the law.

John 5:45 "Your accuser is Moses..."
Matthew 22:29 "You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God..."
Luke 16:31 "...if they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.'"
John 3:10 "You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, “and you do not understand these things?…"
John 9:28 "And they reviled him, saying, “You are his disciple, but we are disciples of Moses."

The laws of the prophets are there for anyone to see and read. We can read what the laws say.

Are you saying that the laws as they are written and expressed are somehow so esoteric that it takes a special kind of mind to perceive their meaning?

No, it means that they govern reality, which is complicated, and Jesus disdained those who sought easy answers through legalism and hypocritical judgement of the faults of others. It doesn't take a special mind but it does take mindfulness.
 
In my opinion, if one is looking for sources for stuff from which to construct a personal moral philosophy, Jesus, or words attributed to him, is/are one good source. Obviously, it isn't necessary to take the whole job lot, but that's probably true of any source.

Something similar could be said about taking stuff from the bible in general.
But if your cherry picking, then you aren't actually taking anything from it at all. You have to already have a moral philosophy to determine what parts you're going to cherry pick. So, then Jesus and the NT aren't actually a "source" but merely serving as something to dishonestly quote that agrees with what you already think anyways.

I agree with you generally, of course. My only caveat might be a bit pedantic, that I'm not sure, regarding the first bit of what you said in the above quote, that you do already have to have a moral philosophy ready, as it were, for what someone says (or bits of what someone says in the case of cherry-picking) to slot into that.

In other words, while it might be true to say that you tend to take the bits that fit with what you already think (which is the other way you put it at the end of the above quote) there might be new bits which might expand, and even perhaps modify, what you already think.

I think I'm still ok with what I said, because what I said and what you said do not contradict each other, even if you are right. Which I think you broadly are, with the above pedantic caveat.

What I mean is, even if you were, in the extreme case, deliberately looking only for stuff that fits with what you already think, you might still need outside sources for that. Fresh meat, as it were, or at least a few new recipes.

My issue is your indication that you can cherry pick what parts of the Bible or Jesus's words you "take", and those words then are "the source" you used to "construct" your morality. Your morality is what guides the selection process to begin with. It doesn't mean you have already consciously thought of that exact wording or scenario. It means those words appeal to your pre-existing preferences and preferences are the foundation of all morality. What you are selecting is basically ways to express the moral preferences you had. If you select a slightly under-ripe cherry because you prefer tart over highly sweet, then the cherry you know have is not a source but a byproduct and example of your preferences.

If I accept the Bible as a whole and commit myself to accepting it's ethical contents no matter how much I like what a particular part of it says, then am I actually allowing the Bible and Jesus' words in it to be the "source" of my morals. The only way to use only some parts of the Bible as the "source" of one's preferences is to select parts complete at random without any pre-existing internal criteria or emotions coming into play (which no one does).

Note that this is particular to using parts of a text as a the source of morals and other evaluative preferences, and doesn't apply to sources of information and knowledge. That b/c morals are themselves subjective preference for one idea over another. Thus, the preference-based selection of moral ideas from the texts means the text was not the source of the moral preferences. However, preferences and knowledge are different things. One can use one's preferences to select types of information from a source and that information or knowledge is gained from that source. For example, I can read the Bible and gain knowledge about the story of Lot, and thus the book was the source of my acquired awareness of that story. But if I choose to selectively accept that story and not others as a moral lesson, then the book wasn't the source of my moral preferences, just a source of knowledge of a story that I use to exemplify my morals.
 
Then there is no such thing as a moral philosophy. I've never met someone who derives their moral perspective entirely and only from a single source, within which they preference no particular element. There are no Christians, certainly, but also no utilitarians, no deontologists, no virtue ethicists, nor any other defined moral perspective. Anyone who quotes Mills is a liar, because they don't believe everything Mills did. Virtue ethicists are hypocrites who accept Aristotles' moral philosophy when it suits them but heinously reject geocentrism, which is also contained in his work.

Your black and white definition of what constitutes cherry picking may be emotionally satisfying, but it doesn't describe the real world very well, a world in which people are always negotiating a complex array of cultural and intellectual influences. Even if they come to prefer one school over another, that will never be absolute or all-encompassing, nor should we expect it to be. People are thinking organisms, not automatons. I note that your approach would lead to getting extremely sick if you actually picking cherries, and per your instructions insisting on eating exclusively cherries and every cherry, regardless of its degree of ripeness, health, moldiness, etc.

I'm not saying anything against being selective and "picking" your moral or cherries carefully. I am saying that if you are selectively picking from something, then you already have selection criteria / moral beliefs in place before you ever get to that "something". That logically means that "something" (i.e., The Bible and Jesus's words therein) cannot be the source of your morals, if you are using pre-existing morals to decide what to select from the Bible and Jesus' words. So, in the case of cherry picking Jesus' words, it means you are not picking your morals from Jesus or the Bible but rather you are just picking words use as a post-hoc rationalization for the morals you have already chosen.

If you go to a cherry tree and pick cherries. The tree and the cherries are not what determined which cherries you ate. You decided that based upon ideas you already had before you ever saw the tree.

Jesus himself used that same example. Picking fruit from a tree, I mean. Part of your discretion does, or should, include choosing the tree carefully. In the words of the teacher himself, "good trees bear good fruit." So the question isn't "why are you only picking ripe cherries", but rather "why are you picking cherries in the first place?". Your internal rule of only picking ripe cherries is not your motivation for eating cherries, it's just a practical rule for not getting sick while you're at it.

If I find Mills' On Liberty to be a useful moral guide, but also take into account the times in which it is written, that doesn't mean that I no longer consider it a guide to moral consideration at all, or that historical criticism is now the source of my morality (whatever that even means) simply because I am carefully considering which parts remain relevant and which have become obsolete, or meaningfully challenged by other writers, etc. I may well continue to find his basic principles useful, even though some of his specific examples no longer apply, or involved an assumption he didn't realize he was making. It can still be my favorite work on moral philosophy. I can still read it again and again, and call myself a moral utilitarian without any contradiction.

And since it is Mills, rather than YHWH, it would never occur to anyone to contest the label. The argument "you're being inconsistent because you claim to be Utilitarian but disagree with famous Utilitarian works on several issues" wouldn't make sense to anyone. Of course you do. You may like Mills, but you aren't Mills, and neither Mills nor Jesus would approve of someone reading their work uncritically, even a student of theirs. The way some people talk about interpreting Scripture bleeds of special pleading. Especially if the topic of discussion is philosophy and lived morality, why should preferring (but intelligently reading) the Bible be any different from reading any other favored prominent work on moral philosophy. Sure, some claim that God wrote every word of it, using his Cosmic Secretary to chunk out every line exactly as He intended it. For some reason, four Cosmic Secretaries, seemingly recounting slightly different versions of the same events from four perspectives as though in a deliberate attempt to confuse everyone. But if you don't believe that, then not only is it okay to read the book more critically while still admiring it, I would say you have... well, a moral responsibility to do so. So the question is, do you believe the underlying claim? If not, there's no good reason to attempt, against all apparent reason, to defend it.

As to Jesus, if he wanted the so called New Testament to be written at all, let alone worshiped, he would have written it himself; the man was obviously literate, so why didn't he? And he wouldn't have taught almost exclusively in parables, a pedagogical form which absolutely requires critical thought, since most of them (and I would bet good money, originally all of them) contain no literal explanation of their inherently allegorical content. He was training up shepherds, not sheep, and he said as much. You think it makes sense to read the bible like a moral instruction manual because you were taught to do so. Not because it makes much inherent sense to do so, and not because you have any convincing reason to think that Jesus would want you to.

Utilitarianism is a general principal that can be logically applied to derive moral judgment about a particular thing. Whether Mill's own examples still hold up is a matter of logic applied to relevant known facts. A reader may acquire knowledge of that principle from a particular book, but the book is not the source of why they chose to accept and apply the principle.

In contrast, the Bible does not provide any general moral principle, only that one should have authoritarian obedience to God's will as described within the Bible itself. And the Bible explicitly admonishes attempts to apply reason to the rule's God commands and says that if your mind finds fault with the words of God within the Bible, then the fault is within your mind. Accepting God's authority has no logical implications in itself. You cannot apply it to anything to derive moral conclusions other than merely accepting the specific commands within the Bible. IF you actually accept God's will as your moral foundation, then there is no basis not to accept every command. If you choose to accept some commands and not others, then you are not accepting God's moral authority at all, but rather applying your own moral ideas derived elsewhere to determine which Biblical ideas your going to take as examples and support for your morals.

In sum, your analogy to other books and other moral systems is invalid unless those books also provide no moral principles other than that the contents of the book itself is to be obeyed and applied on no grounds other than accepting the book as the words of the authority over all moral issues.
 
My issue is your indication that you can cherry pick what parts of the Bible or Jesus's words you "take", and those words then are "the source" you used to "construct" your morality. Your morality is what guides the selection process to begin with. It doesn't mean you have already consciously thought of that exact wording or scenario. It means those words appeal to your pre-existing preferences and preferences are the foundation of all morality. What you are selecting is basically ways to express the moral preferences you had. If you select a slightly under-ripe cherry because you prefer tart over highly sweet, then the cherry you know have is not a source but a byproduct and example of your preferences.

This is exactly why I constantly repeat the message that Christians have no conscience or way of discerning right from wrong. They always get upset but they can't argue against it.

Of course, Christians are human and do have the capacity for conscience and moral thinking. They just don't use it. It's much easier and more comfortable to go with the indoctrination and use the frontal lobes to justify and excuse after the fact rather than to question.
 
Jesus himself used that same example. Picking fruit from a tree, I mean. Part of your discretion does, or should, include choosing the tree carefully. In the words of the teacher himself, "good trees bear good fruit." So the question isn't "why are you only picking ripe cherries", but rather "why are you picking cherries in the first place?". Your internal rule of only picking ripe cherries is not your motivation for eating cherries, it's just a practical rule for not getting sick while you're at it.

If I find Mills' On Liberty to be a useful moral guide, but also take into account the times in which it is written, that doesn't mean that I no longer consider it a guide to moral consideration at all, or that historical criticism is now the source of my morality (whatever that even means) simply because I am carefully considering which parts remain relevant and which have become obsolete, or meaningfully challenged by other writers, etc. I may well continue to find his basic principles useful, even though some of his specific examples no longer apply, or involved an assumption he didn't realize he was making. It can still be my favorite work on moral philosophy. I can still read it again and again, and call myself a moral utilitarian without any contradiction.

And since it is Mills, rather than YHWH, it would never occur to anyone to contest the label. The argument "you're being inconsistent because you claim to be Utilitarian but disagree with famous Utilitarian works on several issues" wouldn't make sense to anyone. Of course you do. You may like Mills, but you aren't Mills, and neither Mills nor Jesus would approve of someone reading their work uncritically, even a student of theirs. The way some people talk about interpreting Scripture bleeds of special pleading. Especially if the topic of discussion is philosophy and lived morality, why should preferring (but intelligently reading) the Bible be any different from reading any other favored prominent work on moral philosophy. Sure, some claim that God wrote every word of it, using his Cosmic Secretary to chunk out every line exactly as He intended it. For some reason, four Cosmic Secretaries, seemingly recounting slightly different versions of the same events from four perspectives as though in a deliberate attempt to confuse everyone. But if you don't believe that, then not only is it okay to read the book more critically while still admiring it, I would say you have... well, a moral responsibility to do so. So the question is, do you believe the underlying claim? If not, there's no good reason to attempt, against all apparent reason, to defend it.

As to Jesus, if he wanted the so called New Testament to be written at all, let alone worshiped, he would have written it himself; the man was obviously literate, so why didn't he? And he wouldn't have taught almost exclusively in parables, a pedagogical form which absolutely requires critical thought, since most of them (and I would bet good money, originally all of them) contain no literal explanation of their inherently allegorical content. He was training up shepherds, not sheep, and he said as much. You think it makes sense to read the bible like a moral instruction manual because you were taught to do so. Not because it makes much inherent sense to do so, and not because you have any convincing reason to think that Jesus would want you to.

Utilitarianism is a general principal that can be logically applied to derive moral judgment about a particular thing. Whether Mill's own examples still hold up is a matter of logic applied to relevant known facts. A reader may acquire knowledge of that principle from a particular book, but the book is not the source of why they chose to accept and apply the principle.

In contrast, the Bible does not provide any general moral principle, only that one should have authoritarian obedience to God's will as described within the Bible itself. And the Bible explicitly admonishes attempts to apply reason to the rule's God commands and says that if your mind finds fault with the words of God within the Bible, then the fault is within your mind. Accepting God's authority has no logical implications in itself. You cannot apply it to anything to derive moral conclusions other than merely accepting the specific commands within the Bible. IF you actually accept God's will as your moral foundation, then there is no basis not to accept every command. If you choose to accept some commands and not others, then you are not accepting God's moral authority at all, but rather applying your own moral ideas derived elsewhere to determine which Biblical ideas your going to take as examples and support for your morals.

In sum, your analogy to other books and other moral systems is invalid unless those books also provide no moral principles other than that the contents of the book itself is to be obeyed and applied on no grounds other than accepting the book as the words of the authority over all moral issues.

I simply do not agree, either with your strange construction of a "source of moral reasoning" must be, nor with your personal read of "the Bible", which is not in turn, to me, a synonym for Jesus' teachings.
 
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