During the 10 hours I was reporting on this story, I was groped 22 times.

[RavenSky]

Sexual Harassment Was Rampant at Coachella 2018

Of the 54 young women who spoke to Teen Vogue for this piece during the weekend-long event, all of them had a story of sexual assault or harassment that occurred this year at Coachella. Many of these accounts reveal patterns of predatory behavior harassers exhibited throughout the festival, and many of the reports I collected sound nearly exactly the same. Here are some of their stories, condensed for clarity.

"Of course sexual harassment happens here,” said Ana, 19. “It happens to us at all concerts. At Coachella it is so many people that men will get away with touching you, and they think we don't notice. It happened to me many times already, and I notice every time.”

https://www.teenvogue.com/story/sexual-harassment-was-rampant-at-coachella-2018

 

[LordKiran]

"Of course sexual harassment happens here,” said Ana, 19. “It happens to us at all concerts. At Coachella it is so many people that men will get away with touching you, and they think we don't notice. It happened to me many times already, and I notice every time.”

https://www.teenvogue.com/story/sexual-harassment-was-rampant-at-coachella-2018

You know this is one problem everyone having a camera could theoretically solve, its just a matter of keeping your camera off the stage and focused behind you.

 

[rousseau]

So the question is.. how do we fix men?

 

[Rhea]

According to my daughter, you take away their penises, and they stop.

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"Of course sexual harassment happens here,” said Ana, 19. “It happens to us at all concerts. At Coachella it is so many people that men will get away with touching you, and they think we don't notice. It happened to me many times already, and I notice every time.”

https://www.teenvogue.com/story/sexual-harassment-was-rampant-at-coachella-2018

You know this is one problem everyone having a camera could theoretically solve, its just a matter of keeping your camera off the stage and focused behind you.

That works if you don’t care about seeing the show...

 

[LordKiran]

According to my daughter, you take away their penises, and they stop.

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You know this is one problem everyone having a camera could theoretically solve, its just a matter of keeping your camera off the stage and focused behind you.

That works if you don’t care about seeing the show...

Sorry I don't think I was clear. Admittedly this requires some extra tech and a little bit of know-how but one could conceivably connect a camera clipped to the back of a belt to one's phone, which might not in itself stop groping but would at least allow you to perhaps identify who the person is? Hell with A LOT of know-how you could conceivably utilize/create a software program that identifies pervs mid-action and snaps their picture as they go in.


Although tbh people shouldn't record performances to begin with, chances are their recording is crap and it takes them out of the experience because they're too fucking busy fidgeting with a metal square to pay the performers any proper mind! /huff

 

[Derec]

According to my daughter, you take away their penises, and they stop.

Like mother, like daughter, eh? And you wonder why I think that many feminists are fascists.

As to the OP, I wonder how many of the 22 are actual genuine groping, and how many are people inadvertently bumping into her due to crowds and she misinterprets it as "groping" due to #metoo-fueled hysteria.

 

[Arctish]

According to my daughter, you take away their penises, and they stop.

Like mother, like daughter, eh? And you wonder why I think that many feminists are fascists.

As to the OP, I wonder how many of the 22 are actual genuine groping, and how many are people inadvertently bumping into her due to crowds and she misinterprets it as "groping" due to #metoo-fueled hysteria.

I wonder why you think girls can't tell the difference.

If it isn't actual genuine groping, does the female body have ways of shutting that down?

 

[Valjean]

Maybe a sharp hatpin would dissuade them.

 

[zorq]

According to my daughter, you take away their penises, and they stop.

Like mother, like daughter, eh? And you wonder why I think that many feminists are fascists.

You clearly can't tell the difference between a joking comment and a genuine proposal. And you wonder why you have such a bad reputation around here. But anyway, since you are taking this comment so seriously, why don't you please give us your genuine proposal to reduce or eliminate men sexually assaulting women. Thanks

As to the OP, I wonder how many of the 22 are actual genuine groping, and how many are people inadvertently bumping into her due to crowds and she misinterprets it as "groping" due to #metoo-fueled hysteria.

And I wonder if you think all women are stupid and/or liars or if only your thoughts that make that implication manage to reach your keyboard.

 

[rousseau]

According to my daughter, you take away their penises, and they stop.

Sounds about right.

 

[Rhea]

According to my daughter, you take away their penises, and they stop.

Sounds about right.

Granted, she was only 3 when she said it, and the context was her butting in to a lecture as I asked her older brother how I was going to get him to stop hitting, and the effect of her comment and subsequent suggestion that we get him a vulva so he’d behave was to make everyone laugh and get him off the hook. I guess she’d learned enough times by that age already that “boys tend to do stuff like that and girls tend to not do stuff like that.”

 

[thebeave]

So the question is.. how do we fix men?

Cut off their penises and put them in the garbage disposal and turn it on?

This kind of thing has happened in Cologne, Germany and elsewhere in Europe on a much larger and more criminal scale. The Cologne mayor said women should keep an arms length distance from strange men. I don't think that's the answer though.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/mayor-of-cologne-says-women-should-have-code-of-conduct-to-prevent-future-assault-a6798186.html

Mayor Henriette Reker attended an emergency meeting with Chief of Police Wolfgang Albers and Wolfgang Wurm to discuss how to deal with the attack, where dozens of women were repeatedly touched and groped, with one case of alleged rape in the center of town.

The Mayor of Cologne said today that women should adopt a “code of conduct” to prevent future assault at a crisis meeting following the sexual attack of women by 1000 men on New Year’s eve.

The suggested code of conduct includes maintaining an arm’s length distance from strangers, to stick within your own group, to ask bystanders for help or to intervene as a witness, or to inform the police if you are the victim of such an assault.

 

[Rhea]

Interesting. Not, “men should adopt a code of conduct to keep an arms-length from strange women.” I wonder how they think that will work - women run from open spot to open spot as men advance ever closer, so she has to adopt a code of conduct to run again in this public space?


Bizarre.

 

[LordKiran]

Interesting. Not, “men should adopt a code of conduct to keep an arms-length from strange women.” I wonder how they think that will work - women run from open spot to open spot as men advance ever closer, so she has to adopt a code of conduct to run again in this public space?


Bizarre.

Does it even need saying that hoping the men who grope women without their consent will adopt a code of conduct is like hoping for hell to freeze over? You don't fix someone with an amoral lack of respect for other people as people like that are generally psychotic.

 

[RavenSky]

Maybe a sharp hatpin would dissuade them.

A big issue, as noted in the article, is fear of retaliation. Just saying "no" is met with verbal abuse... I can't imagine the physical harm that would be inflicted on these young women if they tried to stop the gropings with a hat pin.

The solution needs to be in changing the entitlement attitude of these types of males, and empowering bystanders to speak up against the sexual assailants.

 

[LordKiran]

Maybe a sharp hatpin would dissuade them.

A big issue, as noted in the article, is fear of retaliation. Just saying "no" is met with verbal abuse... I can't imagine the physical harm that would be inflicted on these young women if they tried to stop the gropings with a hat pin.

The solution needs to be in changing the entitlement attitude of these types of males, and empowering bystanders to speak up against the sexual assailants.

Or you can segregate the crowd into single men, single women, and couples/families/groups.

 

[Keith&Co.]

As to the OP, I wonder how many of the 22 are actual genuine groping, and how many are people inadvertently bumping into her due to crowds and she misinterprets it as "groping" due to #metoo-fueled hysteria.

I would go with an all/nothing ratio.
I've been in several crowded, vary crowded, and sardine environments. Jostled, pushed, bumped, slammed, and hit. Often enough and frequently enough that on a given day, i couldn't tell you how many times it happened.

I've also been groped. Hoo and ray, Navy...

They are discrete sensations. The difference between a hand bumping a cheek and one that cups it. Brushing across the ass and poking directly into the crack. Pushing against a thigh on the lader and pushing deeeeeply between the thighs to check the package.

It stands out when it happens. It's clear in the memory afterwards. There's never confusion afterwards about whether or not you were groped. Even in a confined space such as enterring a missile, where your 2-man-rule is literally laying atop you, you can tell the difference between "there's just no place else to put my hand," and "you aren't... sqeamish... about close physical contact, are you, kid?"

So, you'd probably do better to just skip straight to calling her a liar, because suggesting she might be confused is more moronic than misogynistic.

 

[RavenSky]

Maybe a sharp hatpin would dissuade them.

A big issue, as noted in the article, is fear of retaliation. Just saying "no" is met with verbal abuse... I can't imagine the physical harm that would be inflicted on these young women if they tried to stop the gropings with a hat pin.

The solution needs to be in changing the entitlement attitude of these types of males, and empowering bystanders to speak up against the sexual assailants.

Or you can segregate the crowd into single men, single women, and couples/families/groups.

why?

Are you suggesting that all single men are incapable of keeping their hands to themselves?

 

[James Brown]

I wonder how many of the 22 are actual genuine groping, and how many are people inadvertently bumping into her due to crowds and she misinterprets it as "groping" due to #metoo-fueled hysteria.

I wonder about that too. How many of those "gropes" were inadvertent bumps? I'll be the answer is 'None' but it sure is fun to wonder out loud about hypotheses that can't be disproven but are handy for introducing reasonable doubt.

 

[LordKiran]

Or you can segregate the crowd into single men, single women, and couples/families/groups.

why?

Are you suggesting that all single men are incapable of keeping their hands to themselves?

No, but it largely solves the problem given that most sexual harrassment of this nature is probably heterosexual in nature.

I mean do you want solutions or are we still insisting that psychopathy can be fixed with morality training?