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angelo said:
untermensche said:
Says who?

It was the exact same thing.

The death cult is Americans lost in the religion of "The State" with it's torture chambers and concentration camps all over the world.
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That nonsense doesn't merit a response!
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Yeah, that might require actually thinking.

You don't know history and are blind to the real causes of conflict in the present.

Your opinions are not worth anything.
 
whichphilosophy said:
Anyone who has been working in the Middle East or Asia and wants to return back to Europe should have second thoughts.
Moroccan criminal gangs have taken over Stockholm Station and nothing has been done about it except admitted they have a problem which has been building up during last year. This has recently emerged from the non Swedish media. This has been also reported in other British media such as the BBC. The other expense Sweden shall face will be.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omObgif9Hew

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...igrant-teen-gangs-stealing-groping-girls.html

"Swedish police warn Stockholm's main train station is now overrun by migrant teen gangs 'stealing and groping girls'
Hundreds of Moroccan children living on the streets in Stockholm
Accused of stealing and assaulting security guards at the main station
Police say they grope girls and 'slap them in the face when they protest'
One in five Moroccan migrant children run away from housing since 2012

Swedish police warns that Stockholm's main train station has become unsafe after being ‘taken over’ by dozens of Moroccan street children.
The all-male migrant teen gangs are spreading terror in the centre of the Swedish capital, stealing, groping girls and assaulting security guards, according to Stockholm police.
Members of the gangs, some as young as nine, roam central Stockholm day and night, refusing help provided by the Swedish authorities.

Sweden has seen a dramatic increase in the number of Moroccan under-18s who apply for asylum without a parent or guardian in the past four years, with many later running away from the housing provided to live on the streets in the capital.
Stockholm police estimate that at least 200 Moroccan street children move in the area around the main train station in the centre of the capital, sleeping rough, and living off criminal activity.

'These guys are a huge problem for us. They steal stuff everywhere and assault security guards at the central station,' one police officer told SVT.
'They grope girls between their legs, and slap them in the face when they protest. All police officers are aware of this.
'I would never let my children go to the central station. No officer would." END OF QUOTE
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Sounds Dickensian...
 
repoman said:
whichphilosophy said:
Anyone who has been working in the Middle East or Asia and wants to return back to Europe should have second thoughts.
Moroccan criminal gangs have taken over Stockholm Station and nothing has been done about it except admitted they have a problem which has been building up during last year. This has recently emerged from the non Swedish media. This has been also reported in other British media such as the BBC. The other expense Sweden shall face will be.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omObgif9Hew

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...igrant-teen-gangs-stealing-groping-girls.html

"Swedish police warn Stockholm's main train station is now overrun by migrant teen gangs 'stealing and groping girls'
Hundreds of Moroccan children living on the streets in Stockholm
Accused of stealing and assaulting security guards at the main station
Police say they grope girls and 'slap them in the face when they protest'
One in five Moroccan migrant children run away from housing since 2012

Swedish police warns that Stockholm's main train station has become unsafe after being ‘taken over’ by dozens of Moroccan street children.
The all-male migrant teen gangs are spreading terror in the centre of the Swedish capital, stealing, groping girls and assaulting security guards, according to Stockholm police.
Members of the gangs, some as young as nine, roam central Stockholm day and night, refusing help provided by the Swedish authorities.

Sweden has seen a dramatic increase in the number of Moroccan under-18s who apply for asylum without a parent or guardian in the past four years, with many later running away from the housing provided to live on the streets in the capital.
Stockholm police estimate that at least 200 Moroccan street children move in the area around the main train station in the centre of the capital, sleeping rough, and living off criminal activity.

'These guys are a huge problem for us. They steal stuff everywhere and assault security guards at the central station,' one police officer told SVT.
'They grope girls between their legs, and slap them in the face when they protest. All police officers are aware of this.
'I would never let my children go to the central station. No officer would." END OF QUOTE
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Sounds Dickensian...
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Sounds Swedish
 
There are several recent stories coming out. This is caused by a minority but given the high volume of people pouring in, that minority is proportionally large

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...te-ten-year-old-boy-raped-multiple-times.html
Police flee for their lives at Swedish migrant camp after they are surrounded by screaming mob as they try to relocate ten-year-old boy ‘who had been raped multiple times’

The attack allegedly happened in the town of Västerås in central Sweden
Staff at the refugee centre feared the 10-year-old boy was being abused
They failed to remove the child after the refugee would not let the child go
Ten police officers failed to safe the child after being attacked by the mob

One of the officers told the Vestmanlands Läns Tidning newspaper: 'Even more people appeared behind us. I was mentally prepared to fight for my life. We were 10 police officers in a narrow corridor. And I hear someone yell that there is an emergency exit.'

The incident happened last Wednesday, before a 15-year-old asylum seeker in Sweden was accused of murdering a girl working in a refugee centre. END OF QUOTE

QUOTE According to Russia Today, Police Union Director Lena Nitz said: ' Many of the problems we are now facing help to prove the point that Swedish police have long been underfunded and understaffed.' ,” Police Union Director Lena Nitz, told TT news agency.

This follows the murder of Alexandra Mezher, who was stabbed to death at a refugee centre in Molndal, near Gothenburg on Sweden's west coast.

A police spokesman did not give details about the man’s age or nationality but confirmed he had been arrested for murder. END OF QUOTE
 
angelo said:
Not much will change until someone in power has a daughter or wife assaulted by these marauding barbarians.
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Even then it may not happen so quick. The first action is to re introduce sensible border controls and build walls. Unfortunately the open door policy hoovered up people from all over Asia Africa and the Middle East. Only a few are refugees.
 
A true refugee would flee to the nearest safety haven, not country shop for the nation with the most generous benefits. Then expect to be served and treated as royalty!
 
angelo said:
A true refugee would flee to the nearest safety haven, not country shop for the nation with the most generous benefits. Then expect to be served and treated as royalty!
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The majority are not refugees which is the fault of the Eu governments for allowing the distinction between legal and illegal and refugee and economic migrant.
 
untermensche said:
angelo said:
That nonsense doesn't merit a response!
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Yeah, that might require actually thinking.

You don't know history and are blind to the real causes of conflict in the present.

Your opinions are not worth anything.
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So, in your imaginary mirage of a perfect socialist/anarchist future, what would you do with individuals with "worthless opinions"? Re-educate them in some UnterGulag? In a Pol Pot type of camp? Or just a quiet or videoed bullet in the head, or beheading ISIS-style? After all, he is guilty of "worthless" opinions and is a danger or even "an enemy of the people".
 
4321lynx said:
untermensche said:
Yeah, that might require actually thinking.

You don't know history and are blind to the real causes of conflict in the present.

Your opinions are not worth anything.
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So, in your imaginary mirage of a perfect socialist/anarchist future, what would you do with individuals with "worthless opinions"? Re-educate them in some UnterGulag? In a Pol Pot type of camp? Or just a quiet or videoed bullet in the head, or beheading ISIS-style? After all, he is guilty of "worthless" opinions and is a danger or even "an enemy of the people".
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While an Anarchist future would be far better than the present, unfortunately it will not be perfect.

Just better.

Like democracy is better than dictatorship, but not perfect.
 
Warpoet said:
<expletive deleted>. If you are going to continue a discussion, particularly one where you have no intention of proceeding with any modicum of intellectual honesty,
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You accuse others of intellectual dishonesty. Smoke pours from irony meters worldwide.

at least have the decency to do so within a reasonable timeframe, not nearly a <expletive deleted> month after the fact. If you can't do that, walk the <expletive> away.
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"Decency"? Are you seriously demanding I be courteous to you, after you vomited gutfuls of libelously abusive rants at me and any number of other people who had the gall to disagree with you? In order for you to be treated decently a court would have to enter several monetary judgments against you for defamation. When the worst that happens to you is a few tongue-lashings delivered at times convenient for the people you made false damaging malicious claims about, you've been treated better than decently.

Incidentally, if it's important to you that the mere passage of time be enough to assure you that you've had the last word in an exchange, don't say anything about the other person that isn't true.

There is no new impasse that we're just reaching now; rather, it's the same one we've had from the start: you talking out of your ass, overstating the threat posed by European Muslims and then engaging in your trademark obfuscatory gymnastics to avoid having to provide any substantiating evidence.
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By "obfuscatory gymnastics" I take it you're referring to my not actually having claimed what you keep challenging me to provide substantiating evidence for. You'd never use that term to describe the rhetoric you keep spewing in place of providing substantiating evidence for claims you did make, Mr. "He who makes assertions, backs them up, using credible sources."

The idea that I need to go verify firsthand the existence or non-existence of these "no-go zones," or take someone else's word for it - as though evidence from a real source were merely "someone's word" - is a <expletive deleted> joke.
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Case in point. You evade repeated challenges to say what such evidence would be; this prompts me to propose options and invite you to either accept one of them or tell me why they're unacceptable; this prompts you to reject those options not with an explanation but with a foul-mouthed insult, and, inevitably, to pass up yet another golden opportunity to exhibit a third alternative. You aren't going to tell your readers what "evidence from a real source" would be. If you did, then it would be possible for us to judge for ourselves whether it is merely someone's word. I guess we'll just have to take your word for it that it isn't.

If a person hasn't been to some city to see for herself, and an officer on that city's police force tells her some neighborhood there is a no-go area, and you haven't been there either but you assure her that it isn't one, I'm not seeing any particularly good reason for the person to take your word for it over the police officer's. But no doubt we should all take your word for it that there's a good reason to take your word for it.

But it's not quite as bad as your completely ass-backwards, obviously deliberate misunderstanding of demographic trends, and how the democratic process itself works.
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And your false damaging personal remarks made with malice and reckless disregard for the truth roll on.

And there's no basis to agree to disagree about your jizya claims. You pulled an assertion out of your <expletive deleted>, and when pressed for evidence, could only provide material that was either highly questionable, or didn't support your claim in the first place. That's what happened; you can disagree, you're just simply wrong.
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The material all supported my claim; but, yes, it was all questionable. "Highly" is something we'll have to agree to disagree about. In short, I said something I couldn't prove. For shame. Let's see, how many claims have you made in this exchange that you not only couldn't prove, but couldn't produce evidence for at all? I count fifteen. (In all fairness though, only two of them were claims about substantive immigration issues; the other thirteen were merely libelous personal remarks about me, i.e., just you behaving the way you usually do toward other members.)
 
untermensche said:
4321lynx said:
So, in your imaginary mirage of a perfect socialist/anarchist future, what would you do with individuals with "worthless opinions"? Re-educate them in some UnterGulag? In a Pol Pot type of camp? Or just a quiet or videoed bullet in the head, or beheading ISIS-style? After all, he is guilty of "worthless" opinions and is a danger or even "an enemy of the people".
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While an Anarchist future would be far better than the present, unfortunately it will not be perfect.

Just better.

Like democracy is better than dictatorship, but not perfect.
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A typical self and world loathing, leftard response.
 
Bomb#20 said:
You accuse others of intellectual dishonesty. Smoke pours from irony meters worldwide.
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Sorry, but the fact that it took you five weeks and fifty fucking pages to respond to me, even though you've been busy hovering over various other threads, disqualifies you from even attempting smartass remarks. Besides, you're the last person who has any business talking about hot substances pouring out of various orifices.

"Decency"? Are you seriously demanding I be courteous to you, after you vomited gutfuls of libelously abusive rants at me and any number of other people who had the gall to disagree with you?
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I demand that you respond within a timeframe sufficient for me to remember what the fuck we were even arguing about; there is a reasonable period in which someone can delay a response for personal reasons, but five god damn weeks is not it. That's just you being fucking lazy. I bet you'd reply a year from now and feign righteous indignation if I disapproved.

If a person hasn't been to some city to see for herself, and an officer on that city's police force tells her some neighborhood there is a no-go area, and you haven't been there either but you assure her that it isn't one, I'm not seeing any particularly good reason for the person to take your word for it over the police officer's. But no doubt we should all take your word for it that there's a good reason to take your word for it.
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Oh for fuck's sake - nobody has to take my word for anything, just like they don't have to take the word of anonymous posters, or the shit sources you've obviously been wanting oh-so-badly to admit as evidence for Muslim no-go-zones. And it's not my job to explain to someone else what constitutes valid evidence for their own claims. Deal with it.

The material all supported my claim; but, yes, it was all questionable. "Highly" is something we'll have to agree to disagree about. In short, I said something I couldn't prove. For shame. Let's see, how many claims have you made in this exchange that you not only couldn't prove, but couldn't produce evidence for at all? I count fifteen. (In all fairness though, only two of them were claims about substantive immigration issues; the other thirteen were merely libelous personal remarks about me, i.e., just you behaving the way you usually do toward other members.)
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I didn't make any claims that required substantiation, and anything I've said about you is borne out by the discussion itself. Nonetheless, I'm glad to see you finally, after countless metaphorical teeth have been pulled, acknowledge that you are unable to prove your claim. That's probably the best I can hope to get out of you. Too bad it took two fucking months.
 
Juma said:
untermensche said:
It is from people like this that fascism is born.
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I agree with you, leftard is a rather silly term. But believing in anarchy is worse.
Anarchy = "power to the strong".
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Some have trouble understanding that Anarchism may look similar to anarchy but the words do not have close to the same meaning.

Anarchism seeks to create order.

But without the top-down authoritarian structures of communism and capitalism, those two cousins.
 
untermensche said:
Juma said:
I agree with you, leftard is a rather silly term. But believing in anarchy is worse.
Anarchy = "power to the strong".
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Some have trouble understanding that Anarchism may look similar to anarchy but the words do not have close to the same meaning.

Anarchism seeks to create order.

But without the top-down authoritarian structures of communism and capitalism, those two cousins.
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The result is the same.
 
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