DrZoidberg
Contributor
Taking in refugees during a war is not "mass migration". That's just word magic. At no point has Sweden opened it's doors to whoever. The fact that some have thrown caution to the wind and come anyway doesn't mean they'll get to stay.
Again, I'm not sure what problem you think border checks have solved? All it's done is made it more important to keep your papers in order. Something difficult for somebody living in a suitcase and fleeing for their lives across Europe. All that has happened is that those who are eligible to stay but unlucky to lose their papers are now shit out of luck. And if we assume that people respond to incentives, is that:
1) Good for Europe
or
2) Bad for Europe
Legitimate Syrian refugees returned to Syria will be shot on site. Regardless of which part of Syria they're from. So returning is not an option. If you give a person a choice between death and a life of crime they'll all go for a life of crime. Then you've created a criminal. Which takes away any moral high point from which to judge "criminals".
At least a person housed in a refugee camp and fed doesn't have an incentive to commit crimes. While there's a war raging in Syria I think that's the least we can do.
Taking refugees is correct, but a lot of economic migrants joined the flow. They are from Pakistan, Bangladesh, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia and other countries. Some did come from Syria but not all. On You tube Hungarian's found thrown away IDs from these countries. The majority of crimes are not committed by Syrians. I am not sure if every one will be shot.
Wtf are you talking about? What has this got to do with anything? Just letting somebody into Sweden doesn't automatically grant them the right to stay. All it means to be admitted into a country means just exactly that. They can get kicked out at any time.
Here's what happens when a refugee comes to Sweden.
1) They're admitted into the country. Now they're tourists on an automatic tourist visa. 1-3 months. Not allowed to work.
2) They go to a police station and apply for refugee status. This is where the famous UNHCR refugee hoops come into play. Absurdly convoluted and inefficient. The main goal with these rules are to protect countries from criminals and terrorists. They're so ludicrously rigorous that they come across as a bad joke. They have to account for stuff that nobody could possibly account for. Especially if their home country is in a state of war... which it always is. The rules are this ludicrously rigorous because people keep demanding stricter and stricter rules. Of course it's just racism. But racists don't want to be on record that "we" don't want brown people. Instead they say this via proxy. Ie more hoops for refugees to jump through.
The rules are also fair. Nobody is given preferential treatment. Considering the number of bullshit applicants means that the process is incredibly slow. While inefficient I'm pretty sure that an unfair system would get abused in no time leading to rampant corruption. So I'm all in fair of fairness.
Papers are not needed for UNHCR's rules. The rules assume that all papers are false. Which is obviously the smart choice.
http://www.unhcr.org/43171ac42.html
On top of that they'll also have to jump through whatever added hoops the Swedish government puts on top of these. There always are in every country... and they're also always redundant, considering UNHCR rigorous rules. These added rules exist, not because they add value. But because the voters have demanded them and politicians do want to appease their (idiot) voters. These added rules slow down the refugee process even more.
3) The refugees are placed in refugee camps awaiting processing. Because of the complicated rules this will take 18 - 22 months. This is what it normally takes. Who knows how much this will slow down because of the magnitude of this crisis?
Life in these camps vary greatly. In Sweden we've decided that they're forbidden from working. They're not given any money. They're given housing, food and clothing and then nothing to do all day. That's not a recipe for success. We know this. This is like breeding for crime. It is the worst possible thing we can do. It's like we want these people to become criminals. Normal people want to work. And if we forbid them, normal people will turn to crime. Anyway... that was a derail. Anyway.. so they're stuck in these camps until they've been processed.
4) If they are genuine refugees: Once they've been processed they then either receive a temporary refugee status (TUT) or a permanent refugee status (PUT). This is at the discretion of the receiver country. TUT means they have to go home once the conflict is resolved. Historically conflicts are officially resolved way before they're actually resolved. This is a problem. Sweden chose to only hand out PUT. This means that any refugee given refugee status here will always be welcome here. They're effectively a Swedish citizen. This is of course the smart choice if we ever want to get any money back from taking in refugees.
5) If they aren't genuine refugees or they fucked up somewhere along the way in the application the time in the refugee camp is spent trying to figure out what to do next and how to skip the camp and go and live illegally somewhere. This is when they learn that all in Swedish refugee camps are, at all times, monitored as if they were criminals and are immediately caught. Yes, it is standard for refugees/migrants with denied applications to try to escape. Why wouldn't they? But it very seldom works out. This is the fate of about half of those who apply for refugee status.
Since papers are so easily forged... what does demanding papers add to any of this? I'm especially wondering about the honest Syrians who are refugees, lost their papers and aren't in the habit of forging papers?