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But somebody trying to influence politics is perfectly fine. Who doesn't? You're trying to do it now? Where's the evil? The UK leaving the EU is bad for the UK. Where's the evil?
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whichphilosophy
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We should be aware of who un-elected individuals who are bankrolled to sabotage the democratic process. Of course Gina will still attract a few groupies afflicted with Europhilia.
Anyway, she's good looking for a 53 year old lady.
DrZoidberg
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We should be aware of who un-elected individuals who are bankrolled to sabotage the democratic process. Of course Gina will still attract a few groupies afflicted with Europhilia.
Anyway, she's good looking for a 53 year old lady.
In what way did Soros try to "sabotage the democratic process"? Democracy has rules. As long as he is within those rules he's not sabotaging anything. If UK politicians have been given a possibility to veto something then doing so is within the rules. It's all respecting democracy.
I maintain that a lot of the British people were struggling with understanding what the Brexit vote was about. Is a vote really the expression of the will of the people if they misunderstood what they were voting about? I think that's why the Brexit vote wasn't binding. It was for this very situation.
You sound like a lefty poking fun at Ayn Rand for being on welfare. The fact that somebody is against welfare, doesn't mean they should refuse it when qualifying for it, within the current rules.
Yes, a lot of Brits were genuinely against the EU. Now the British parliament needs to evaluate whether there's enough of them to leave the EU. That's not easy or obvious
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We should be aware of who un-elected individuals who are bankrolled to sabotage the democratic process. Of course Gina will still attract a few groupies afflicted with Europhilia.
Anyway, she's good looking for a 53 year old lady.
In what way did Soros try to "sabotage the democratic process"? Democracy has rules. As long as he is within those rules he's not sabotaging anything. If UK politicians have been given a possibility to veto something then doing so is within the rules. It's all respecting democracy.
I maintain that a lot of the British people were struggling with understanding what the Brexit vote was about. Is a vote really the expression of the will of the people if they misunderstood what they were voting about? I think that's why the Brexit vote wasn't binding. It was for this very situation.
You sound like a lefty poking fun at Ayn Rand for being on welfare. The fact that somebody is against welfare, doesn't mean they should refuse it when qualifying for it, within the current rules.
Yes, a lot of Brits were genuinely against the EU. Now the British parliament needs to evaluate whether there's enough of them to leave the EU. That's not easy or obvious
Difference here is the fact that Soros funds billions to left wing causes.
DrZoidberg
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Which is a piss in the sea compared to all the billions used to fund right wing causes. If a cause loses credibility because it's funded by rich people then no right wing causes would have any credibility left at all. The difference in propaganda funding has always been a problem, and always in favor of the right.
I also think he's pretty mildly left wing. His demands for universal health care and welfare are pretty modest. He doesn't believe in equality for the sake of equality.
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Not a month goes by without "the religion of pieces" unleashing new atrocity!
whichphilosophy
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Latest short video regarding the EU
[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SM-FopQEuOA[/YOUTUBE]
[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SM-FopQEuOA[/YOUTUBE]
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There's nothing wrong with Universal health care.
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I didn't say it was. I used it as an example of a leftist cause.
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Equality is all fine and good as long as everyone pulls equally. There are some who simply believe the world owes them a living and won't get off their arses to help themselves.
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Of course you didn't. By default Soros came up with something sane as an oasis in his funded political turbulence.
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Muslim Ex Police Officer working in Sweden. He works with refugees'
He discusses crime statistics etc.
[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82eGHYsP0FE[/YOUTUBE]
He discusses crime statistics etc.
[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82eGHYsP0FE[/YOUTUBE]
DrZoidberg
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Good find. But I worry if you looked at it and actually listened to what he had to say. Do you understand that what the cop said goes right against the claims that you, Derec, TSwizzle and Angelo have been making about the refugees? This guy isn't backing up what you've said earlier.
The basic problem with these refugees to Sweden, hasn't been their religion, or culture, it's just how they have been plopped right into Swedish society and then basically just left to figure it out by themselves. Forbidden to get jobs, and given money, housing and food. What the guy is saying is that refugees need some guidance in learning how things are done here. Well... duh. Obviously. They also need to be allowed to get jobs. Otherwise people develop unhealthy habits. Any people. Working for a living is important to anybody. We all need to feel useful. But even with the Swedish government fucking it up, it's still just a tiny minority who go astray.
DrZoidberg
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Here is an explanation to why Sweden is so immigrant friendly.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41454707
Sweden has, (and have had) a huge Nazi problem. Sweden didn't join the second world war because they we peaceloving. Our prime minister at the time wanted to join the Allies. An overwhelming majority of Swedes wanted to join the Axis. Not just for ideological. But still. Facts are facts. So he kept Sweden out if it.
Acts of violence from Nazis here are common. Acts of violence from Antifa or Muslims is rare. This has shaped Swedish values and behaviour.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41454707
Sweden has, (and have had) a huge Nazi problem. Sweden didn't join the second world war because they we peaceloving. Our prime minister at the time wanted to join the Allies. An overwhelming majority of Swedes wanted to join the Axis. Not just for ideological. But still. Facts are facts. So he kept Sweden out if it.
Acts of violence from Nazis here are common. Acts of violence from Antifa or Muslims is rare. This has shaped Swedish values and behaviour.
barbos
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Stop overcompensating then. Otherwise "Alternative for Sweden" will win next elections.
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Sweden Democrats actually got 12.9% in 2014 general elections; almost exactly the same percentage what AfD got this year in Germany. If anything, Sweden is ahead of the curve when it comes to nationalist uprising.
FN in France on the other hand got 13.2% of the vote in legislative elections last June, although it seems like it has peaked. PVV in Netherlands likewise got 13.1% this year. It's interesting that the nationalist parties in a lot of western European countries seem to have about the same level of support. It's either because that's the best they can do, or it's part of a larger trend of nationalism gaining ground versus globalism.
DrZoidberg
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The political discourse works in dichotomies. One side is for. The other is against. That's how politics always have worked. To create change both sides need to change at the same time. Of course, a little bit at a time over time.
This comment reveals, yet again, that you don't understand how politics... or the world works. You remind me of people who say "why don't they just get a job" about homeless people.
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It also shows just how much the world has changed. The Sweden democrats say exactly the same thing today as the Social Democrats did in the 1970'ies. Back then the Social Democrats were completely politically dominant. Elections back then were only about how much they would win. The other parties back then were even more conservative. So, taking a step back, and looking at the big picture, it's not that grim.
barbos
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Where have you with your superior understanding of politics been in 1933?
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