Europe submits voluntarily

[angelo]

Have you ever bothered looking anything up? It's an honest question.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad

Do you have any idea who the contributors to Wikipedia are?

Anyway, this form Wikipedia refutes your post.......

]) is an Arabic word which literally means striving or struggling, especially with a praiseworthy aim.[1][2][3][4] It can have many shades of meaning in an Islamic context, such as struggle against one's evil inclinations, an exertion to convert unbelievers, or efforts toward the moral betterment of society,[1][2][5] though it is most frequently associated with war.[6] In classical Islamic law, the term refers to armed struggle against unbelievers,[2][3] while modernist Islamic scholars generally equate military jihad with defensive warfare.[7][8] In Sufi and pious circles, spiritual and moral jihad has been traditionally emphasized under the name of greater jihad.[9][3] The term has gained additional attention in recent decades through its use by terrorist groups

No, it doesn't. How is your reading comprehension? The topic is whether or not Jihad is synonymous with armed conflict. The above quote proves you wrong.

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Without being so dramatic, your reply is typically a left reply.

Oh, thank you. I don't think it is particularly 'left', but it's very kind of you to say so.

You would be proud of what leftist have accomplished in Venezuela I take it!

Aha... the black and white fallacy. Doesn't it bother you that Hitler killed all those Jews? Since you're not a lefty that must mean that you support everything Hitler did.

How the f.....k do you reach that conclusion? If anything, you support the Nazi cause, as you support Islam which in Gaza for example, Mein Kapmf has been on top selling list of books for decades. The real islam is a neo Fascists ideology!

 

[whichphilosophy]

If you are talking about the Somali criminal, the correct action was to deport him. The UK has no charter to protect violent foreign criminals with 30 convictions from deportation,but the EU has to the point of asininity. The UK is 2 million houses short, so even without concentration camps people pack into lesser spaces.

What a shame it is that the courts were too lazy to consult with you on the correct course of action, and instead foolishly interpreted the law using only their knowledge and expertise.

The judiciary and courts have meekly submitted to the death cult!

The EU certainly has to criminals. In this case religion was not an issue but in the case of the 'Hook' it took a long time to deport him.

Abu Hamza extradition to US blocked by European court
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/jul/08/abu-hamza-human-rights-ruling


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/abu-hamza-deported-from-uk-after-1363430

 

[DrZoidberg]

How the f.....k do you reach that conclusion? If anything, you support the Nazi cause, as you support Islam which in Gaza for example, Mein Kapmf has been on top selling list of books for decades. The real islam is a neo Fascists ideology!

I reached the conclusion by applying the erroneous black and white logical fallacy. The same thing you did.

http://www.fallacyfiles.org/eitheror.html

A person who identifies as a lefty does not necessarily support everything other people who also identity as lefties do. All Muslims do not support Islamic terrorism. And all conservatives do not support everything Hitler did either. Neither do they support the activities of Ku Klub Klan. Nor do they necessarily support the dismantling of democracy in favor of monarchy. A traditionally conservatives position is to be against free speech. You seem to be exercising your right to free expression emphatically. So I guess you don't agree with all conservatives then?

You just assumed that Bilby, identifying as a lefty would support everything that everybody else who identifies as a lefty does. That's dumb.

 

[angelo]

Not all Muslims support terrorists? Have you seen any newsreels showing thousands of Muslims marching in the streets of any city protesting and condemning Islamic terrorist attacks?
No? Well hundreds of thousands marched and rioted in the streets over a cartoonist drawing caricatures of the warlord, terrorist and slave keeping Mohammed. Have you seen the same response over the figure of Jesus being debased by Christians? There are just a hand full of Muslims who are now protected 24/7 under threat of being killed for criticing Islam. Mo himself taught that deception of the infidels is desirable in war if it furthers Islam. It's written right there in the Koran which according to all Muslims is the final revelation of Allah.

 

[ZiprHead]

Not all Muslims support terrorists? Have you seen any newsreels showing thousands of Muslims marching in the streets of any city protesting and condemning Islamic terrorist attacks?
No? Well hundreds of thousands marched and rioted in the streets over a cartoonist drawing caricatures of the warlord, terrorist and slave keeping Mohammed. Have you seen the same response over the figure of Jesus being debased by Christians? There are just a hand full of Muslims who are now protected 24/7 under threat of being killed for criticing Islam. Mo himself taught that deception of the infidels is desirable in war if it furthers Islam. It's written right there in the Koran which according to all Muslims is the final revelation of Allah.

Didn't even try to look, did you?

 

[TSwizzle]

Didn't even try to look, did you?

Did you ?

Thousands of Muslims, their neighbors and friends, will march against terrorism in the German city of Cologne on Saturday. Around 10,000 people are expected to gather in the German city under the slogan “Not With Us” for the Ramadan peace march, first announced on June 7.

The reality;

Several hundred Germans. most of them Muslims, held a peace march in Cologne on Saturday in protest at the number of deadly Islamic extremist attacks that have hit Europe recent years. The turnout was far fewer than the tens of thousands the organisers had expected – Germany’s biggest Islamic association had said earlier in the week that it wouldn’t take part in the march.

EuroNews

Mostly Ahmadi muslims, not even "real" muslims.

 

[ZiprHead]

Did you ?



The reality;

Several hundred Germans. most of them Muslims, held a peace march in Cologne on Saturday in protest at the number of deadly Islamic extremist attacks that have hit Europe recent years. The turnout was far fewer than the tens of thousands the organisers had expected – Germany’s biggest Islamic association had said earlier in the week that it wouldn’t take part in the march.

EuroNews

Mostly Ahmadi muslims, not even "real" muslims.

You're judging who is a real muslim now?

Not all Muslims support terrorists? Have you seen any newsreels showing thousands of Muslims marching in the streets of any city protesting and condemning Islamic terrorist attacks?
No?

The point stands. It happened and you ignored it.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Did you ?



The reality;

Several hundred Germans. most of them Muslims, held a peace march in Cologne on Saturday in protest at the number of deadly Islamic extremist attacks that have hit Europe recent years. The turnout was far fewer than the tens of thousands the organisers had expected – Germany’s biggest Islamic association had said earlier in the week that it wouldn’t take part in the march.

EuroNews

Mostly Ahmadi muslims, not even "real" muslims.

Come on. We've all seen loads of articles about these kinds of marches. A while back in this thread, Angelo made a post about a Muslim demonstration in Sweden. Which he thought was for the sharia and Islamic extremism, but I could read the signs. It was a demonstration of Muslims against Islamic terrorism and violence in the name of Islam.

Every time there's an Islamic attack anywhere most mosques issues statements condemning it. Even in the Middle-East. ISIS are today isolated in the Islamic community. They don't seem to have any friends left. Even Al Qaeda has distanced themselves. Yet, most attacks today are committed by people who claim allegiance to ISIS.

How about not trying really hard to see what you want to see? How about actually looking at what's going on?

 

[Derec]

Come on. We've all seen loads of articles about these kinds of marches. A while back in this thread, Angelo made a post about a Muslim demonstration in Sweden. Which he thought was for the sharia and Islamic extremism, but I could read the signs. It was a demonstration of Muslims against Islamic terrorism and violence in the name of Islam.

You mean the video of thousands of Muslim marching and angrily yelling? With (all of them fully veiled) women strictly segregated and marching at the back?
These people are clearly Islamists. Even if they say they are against terrorism (and one would have to take your word for it), their problem is merely with the tactics, not with the end goal, which is establishing an Islamist society governed by Sharia Law. They think they can accomplish that goal through mass migration and mass breeding, aided by useful idiots like yourself and most European politicians and EU judges like the one who ruled that career violent criminal Somali could not be deported. I mean who needs to bother with terrorism when Europe is submitting voluntarily?

ISIS are today isolated in the Islamic community. They don't seem to have any friends left. Even Al Qaeda has distanced themselves.

And Hezbollah does not like them either. Just because different Islamic terrorist groups are at odds with each other does not mean they are not all Islamic terrorists.

P.S.: How about this? Of course, European far Left has similar sentiments.
Protesters in Malmo chant 'slaughter the Jews'

 

[Derec]

Abu Hamza extradition to US blocked by European court
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/jul/08/abu-hamza-human-rights-ruling

This court is treasonous!

 

[DrZoidberg]

Come on. We've all seen loads of articles about these kinds of marches. A while back in this thread, Angelo made a post about a Muslim demonstration in Sweden. Which he thought was for the sharia and Islamic extremism, but I could read the signs. It was a demonstration of Muslims against Islamic terrorism and violence in the name of Islam.

You mean the video of thousands of Muslim marching and angrily yelling? With (all of them fully veiled) women strictly segregated and marching at the back?
These people are clearly Islamists. Even if they say they are against terrorism (and one would have to take your word for it), their problem is merely with the tactics, not with the end goal, which is establishing an Islamist society governed by Sharia Law. They think they can accomplish that goal through mass migration and mass breeding, aided by useful idiots like yourself and most European politicians and EU judges like the one who ruled that career violent criminal Somali could not be deported. I mean who needs to bother with terrorism when Europe is submitting voluntarily?

They can't win can they? You will interpret whatever they do as the opposite of what they're actually saying they do. It's like talking with a conspiracy theorist "because that's what they want you to think". Here's a crazy thought, maybe they believe and support exactly what they say they are?

ISIS are today isolated in the Islamic community. They don't seem to have any friends left. Even Al Qaeda has distanced themselves.

And Hezbollah does not like them either. Just because different Islamic terrorist groups are at odds with each other does not mean they are not all Islamic terrorists.

P.S.: How about this? Of course, European far Left has similar sentiments.
Protesters in Malmo chant 'slaughter the Jews'

Yup. There's been an antisemitic strain within the Swedish left since we had the old timey Nazi's around. But just because somebody is an antisemite, doesn't mean they're Islamic apologetics?

 

[blastula]

Abu Hamza extradition to US blocked by European court
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/jul/08/abu-hamza-human-rights-ruling

This court is treasonous!

To whom? If extradition is denied, they can just try them there.

 

[Derec]

To whom?

To the people of Europe. And it's not jusy this decision, but they pull that shit over and over again. Like that Somali with 30 convictions whom EU courts have declared undeportable.

If extradition is denied, they can just try them there.

He only got 6 years in UK.

 

[blastula]

To whom?

To the people of Europe.

How is denying extradition treasonous to the nations denying it?

And it's not jusy this decision, but they pull that shit over and over again. Like that Somali with 30 convictions whom EU courts have declared undeportable.

If extradition is denied, they can just try them there.

He only got 6 years in UK.

For a different crime. But never mind, just figured out that's an old article. He has already been extradited and convicted in US.

 

[TSwizzle]

You're judging who is a real muslim now?

Don't be coy. I'm sure you are aware of the status of the Ahmadi sect.

The point stands. It happened and you ignored it.

Not to the extent that the organizers had hoped. It was an epic fail. Probably because it was organized by an Ahmadi.

How about not trying really hard to see what you want to see? How about actually looking at what's going on?

I was referencing a specific event.

 

[ZiprHead]

I was referencing a specific event.

Were you when you said the this.:

Not all Muslims support terrorists? Have you seen any newsreels showing thousands of Muslims marching in the streets of any city protesting and condemning Islamic terrorist attacks?
No?

 

[angelo]

You're judging who is a real muslim now?

Not all Muslims support terrorists? Have you seen any newsreels showing thousands of Muslims marching in the streets of any city protesting and condemning Islamic terrorist attacks?
No?

The point stands. It happened and you ignored it.

It happened?? Several hundred mostly Muslims marching against jihadis? You have lost the argument and you know it!

 

[whichphilosophy]

Abu Hamza extradition to US blocked by European court
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/jul/08/abu-hamza-human-rights-ruling

This court is treasonous!

To whom? If extradition is denied, they can just try them there.

He was supposed to face 11 charges in the USA but the EU courts blocked this move. Eventually he was deported to the USA and convicted on all charges and sentenced to life imprisonment at ADX Florence USA.

 

[DrZoidberg]

This court is treasonous!

To whom? If extradition is denied, they can just try them there.

He was supposed to face 11 charges in the USA but the EU courts blocked this move. Eventually he was deported to the USA and convicted on all charges and sentenced to life imprisonment at ADX Florence USA.

The problem is that USA has repeatedly lied to European countries and said they'll treat someone fairly and once they guy is in USA they just ignore everything they've promised, and do whatever. All the examples I can think of are post 9/11. So perhaps it started then. Anyhoo, European countries, one by one, are starting to refuse extraditing anyone for any reason to USA. It's just diplomacy. If you break your promises there will be consequences.

USA is the world's greatest superpower and haven't exactly being graceful about it. They've always been putting a strain on the willingness for allies to cooperate. That's all that is happening. It's got nothing to do with differing values.

 

[DrZoidberg]

You're judging who is a real muslim now?

Not all Muslims support terrorists? Have you seen any newsreels showing thousands of Muslims marching in the streets of any city protesting and condemning Islamic terrorist attacks?
No?

The point stands. It happened and you ignored it.

It happened?? Several hundred mostly Muslims marching against jihadis? You have lost the argument and you know it!

Yes, it happened. How about just gracefully accepting that you'be been wrong about everything in this thread?