Europe submits voluntarily

[untermensche]

That's pretty rich coming from you, Mr "everybody I don't like is a dictator"

That is hilarious.

I call people with dictatorial power dictators. You seem to associate dictator with harshness. It is a power structure nothing else. The dictator can be harsh or kind, reasonable or unreasonable. It is entirely up to the dictator. That is the problem.

But what you hear is that twisted nonsense you invented. And I believe you when you say you THINK that is my position.

You never know what some mind will twist your ideas into.

I think your way of viewing the world is about as black and white as Angelo's. You don't have to agree. But that's my opinion.

What is black and white about saying a person or small group with clear dictatorial decision making power, the power to fire almost all workers and move the whole thing to China, can be harsh or kind, reasonable or unreasonable, and all shades in between?

 

[angelo]

It is a case of " black & white" to compare capitalism and any other form of an economy.

It has been capitalism that's been responsible for dragging most of the world out of poverty and strong development.
In almost all cases socialist states have been an utter failure. Ex Soviet Union. Besides, it's a good strong capitalist economy that is also able to fund a welfare state.

 

[untermensche]

It is a case of " black & white" to compare capitalism and any other form of an economy.

It has been capitalism that's been responsible for dragging most of the world out of poverty and strong development.
In almost all cases socialist states have been an utter failure. Ex Soviet Union. Besides, it's a good strong capitalist economy that is also able to fund a welfare state.

Not true.

Capitalism just happened to be the system in place where the Industrial Revolution took place. The countries where the Industrial Revolution took place gained power quickly. We then see the rape of Africa and South America and India and China by those countries. The oppression from the nations who gained power stopped other people from industrializing. It kept a lot of the world in a weakened position.

Then you have the Technological Revolution which again gives some incredible power over others and they use that power to attack and oppress.

Capitalism is an authoritarian system that arose while slavery was legal. It was preferable to slavery by capitalists because it had all the benefits of slavery, plenty of available labor, and fewer costs. Capitalism as it arose with the child slave labor and sweat shops was slavery where you did not have to care one bit for the welfare or health of the slave. That was their problems. Humans were just replaceable parts that were replaced if they wore out.

What made capitalism a decent system was what union activity added upon it.

What allowed progress under capitalism was human innovation, not capitalism.

Capitalism is something that exploits human innovation. It owns it.

It does not create it.

What you are selling is a mythology for children.

 

[DrZoidberg]

It is a case of " black & white" to compare capitalism and any other form of an economy.

It has been capitalism that's been responsible for dragging most of the world out of poverty and strong development.
In almost all cases socialist states have been an utter failure. Ex Soviet Union. Besides, it's a good strong capitalist economy that is also able to fund a welfare state.

Not true.

Capitalism just happened to be the system in place where the Industrial Revolution took place. The countries where the Industrial Revolution took place gained power quickly. We then see the rape of Africa and South America and India and China by those countries. The oppression from the nations who gained power stopped other people from industrializing. It kept a lot of the world in a weakened position.

Then you have the Technological Revolution which again gives some incredible power over others and they use that power to attack and oppress.

Capitalism is an authoritarian system that arose while slavery was legal. It was preferable to slavery by capitalists because it had all the benefits of slavery, plenty of available labor, and fewer costs. Capitalism as it arose with the child slave labor and sweat shops was slavery where you did not have to care one bit for the welfare or health of the slave. That was their problems. Humans were just replaceable parts that were replaced if they wore out.

What made capitalism a decent system was what union activity added upon it.

What allowed progress under capitalism was human innovation, not capitalism.

Capitalism is something that exploits human innovation. It owns it.

It does not create it.

What you are selling is a mythology for children.

Capitalism has problems. But at least it works. Not only does it work, but it's a robust system. You don't seen to care about that?

 

[untermensche]

Capitalism has problems. But at least it works. Not only does it work, but it's a robust system. You don't seen to care about that?

I think what you say here is highly significant.

I am not advocating violent revolution.

What I would want would be an evolution not a revolution. It is really just changing the power structures of entities that would serve a function in any society. Dictators need a government. They need structure to enforce their power. A society needs food and finished goods. It needs health care. It needs many things. But it does not need dictators.

I hope the planet and humanity has enough time left.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Capitalism has problems. But at least it works. Not only does it work, but it's a robust system. You don't seen to care about that?

I think what you say here is highly significant.

I am not advocating violent revolution.

What I would want would be an evolution not a revolution. It is really just changing the power structures of entities that would serve a function in any society. Dictators need a government. They need structure to enforce their power. A society needs food and finished goods. It needs health care. It needs many things. But it does not need dictators.

I hope the planet and humanity has enough time left.

Again... I have no idea what you mean when you say "dictators". How about avoiding the word and write what you really mean?

 

[untermensche]

Capitalism has problems. But at least it works. Not only does it work, but it's a robust system. You don't seen to care about that?

I think what you say here is highly significant.

I am not advocating violent revolution.

What I would want would be an evolution not a revolution. It is really just changing the power structures of entities that would serve a function in any society. Dictators need a government. They need structure to enforce their power. A society needs food and finished goods. It needs health care. It needs many things. But it does not need dictators.

I hope the planet and humanity has enough time left.

Again... I have no idea what you mean when you say "dictators". How about avoiding the word and write what you really mean?

Corporations and most companies are dictatorial power structures. Rigid dictatorial power structures. As rigid and any dictatorial power structure in history. Power is explicitly defined.

How can you say they are not?

What about the power structure makes them less than dictatorial? They explicitly say that there is a top to the power structure and power starts there and works down. They do not hide what they are.

A dictatorial power structure is a structure where you either follow the orders of an individual or small group of leave.

It is the same definition in government.

Why you can't seem to deal with it is a strange dissonance.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Again... I have no idea what you mean when you say "dictators". How about avoiding the word and write what you really mean?

Corporations and most companies are dictatorial power structures. Rigid dictatorial power structures. As rigid and any dictatorial power structure in history. Power is explicitly defined.

How can you say they are not?

What about the power structure makes them less than dictatorial? They explicitly say that there is a top to the power structure and power starts there and works down. They do not hide what they are.

A dictatorial power structure is a structure where you either follow the orders of an individual or small group of leave.

It is the same definition in government.

Why you can't seem to deal with it is a strange dissonance.

I still don't know what you mean. I don't get it

 

[untermensche]

Then it is above you.

Because it is as clear as anything can be understood.

Power and who holds it and who does not.

Good luck. You are vulnerable to receive abuse.

 

[Derec]

To get back on topic, a Syrian migrant held hostages (one was seriously injured) in Cologne.
German police detain Syrian suspected hostage-taker and free woman
He also identified himself as member of ISIS. But let's open the borders even more ...

Also, in Bavarian elections both CSU (anti mass migration) and SPD (pro mass migration) lost big, while AfD (hard anti) and Greens (hard pro) have gained. It seems the center might be collapsing in Germany.

SPD slipped below 10%. That must hurt!

On to Hesse next!

 

[angelo]

To get back on topic, a Syrian migrant held hostages (one was seriously injured) in Cologne.
German police detain Syrian suspected hostage-taker and free woman
He also identified himself as member of ISIS. But let's open the borders even more ...

Also, in Bavarian elections both CSU (anti mass migration) and SPD (pro mass migration) lost big, while AfD (hard anti) and Greens (hard pro) have gained. It seems the center might be collapsing in Germany.

SPD slipped below 10%. That must hurt!

On to Hesse next!

It also means that people today have become more polorised as either for or against. The for's are still heading to the slaughter house with their eyes wide shut. One day their descendants will look around themselves and curse their ancestors for not stopping the destruction of the Judaeo/xstian culture that was built over many thousands of years when they could have done so.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

You have the black and white mentality of an uneducated child.

Nice case of projection at work. You evaluate everything based on how it matches up to your utopian fantasy with no regard for how well it actually works.

 

[Derec]

The Muslim mass migrants in Bosnia are getting increasingly violent.
Migrants clash with police at Bosnian-Croatian border

The violence on Wednesday broke out after around 100 people pushed through a Bosnian police cordon in a march towards the border with Croatia, where they were stopped by another column of anti-riot police from both countries.Police used batons and pepper spray in a scuffle with those trying to cross the border, leaving three wounded, including one woman who was bleeding from the head. Two Croatian police officers were also "slightly injured" by migrants who threw stones, Croatia's interior ministry said in a statement. [...] On Wednesday they blocked any traffic from passing.

Those "peaceful refugees" ...

"We have no other choice, we don't have any money and we cannot stay here, we have no warm place, we don't have showers," Majid Dayyani, a 29-year-old Iranian, told AFP.

He had a choice to not leave his home country, where there is no war. He has a choice to turn back and go home.
Of course, he can get more money in Germany ...

By the way, from another article:

A total of 6,411 of the migrants came from Pakistan; others came from Iran (2,944), Syria (2,533), Afghanistan (2,962) and Iraq (1,675), the Bosnian Service for Foreign Affairs told BIRN.

A large plurality (more than twice as many as the next largest groups, the Afghans and Iranians) of the Muslim mass migrants on the Balkan route are Pakistani, which does not have a war on. But it does have very religious Muslims.

 

[untermensche]

You have the black and white mentality of an uneducated child.

Nice case of projection at work. You evaluate everything based on how it matches up to your utopian fantasy with no regard for how well it actually works.

I apply moral principles.

They don't change.

 

[angelo]

If by moral principles you mean open slather for one and all like Merkel did in 2015, Europe will be submitting voluntary suicide long before 2100.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

You have the black and white mentality of an uneducated child.

Nice case of projection at work. You evaluate everything based on how it matches up to your utopian fantasy with no regard for how well it actually works.

I apply moral principles.

They don't change.

That wasn't the issue. The question is whether they work.

 

[DrZoidberg]

I apply moral principles.

They don't change.

That wasn't the issue. The question is whether they work.

I think you need to speak louder. I doubt he can hear you perched atop that incredibly high horse.

 

[angelo]

Europe will be suffering this traitor's consequences long after she's departed this earth!

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/967186/EU-news-angela-merkel-migration-manuel-valls-Italy

 

[untermensche]

If by moral principles you mean open slather for one and all like Merkel did in 2015, Europe will be submitting voluntary suicide long before 2100.

Moral principles: If you cause some problem by launching a terrorist attack of Iraq you are responsible for all the refugee problems that arise from it. If you create a powerful ISIS you are responsible for everything it does. If refugees are fleeing the war zones you started or the destroyed nations you created you are responsible for them.

But of course a moral nation never would have attacked the Iraqi people in the first place.

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I apply moral principles.

They don't change.

That wasn't the issue. The question is whether they work.

Morality is always paramount.

It always works.

Those that claim we should abandon morality are always the problem.

 

[DrZoidberg]

If by moral principles you mean open slather for one and all like Merkel did in 2015, Europe will be submitting voluntary suicide long before 2100.

Moral principles: If you cause some problem by launching a terrorist attack of Iraq you are responsible for all the refugee problems that arise from it. If you create a powerful ISIS you are responsible for everything it does. If refugees are fleeing the war zones you started or the destroyed nations you created you are responsible for them.

But of course a moral nation never would have attacked the Iraqi people in the first place.

Could you please stop diluting every damn strong word you have in your vocabulary. It doesn't add emphasis. It only makes you look hysterical.