Europe submits voluntarily

[angelo]

I suppose it's because of US terrorism that millions of Sub Saharan Africans are flooding into Europe, and further Central and Southern Americans are flooding into the US itself?

It was European terrorism that tore apart Africa. And probably people are fleeing other people with either US or Russian weapons.

South America has been a US capitalist feeding zone for decades.

Corrupt governments that sell out their people so the US can come in and exploit labor and resources.

If you resisted you were attacked.

In Chile the US removed the elected government. In Nicaragua they created a terrorist proxy Army to do the same. The US attacked Cuba over and over. It invaded Guatemala and Haiti over and over.

Resist and you will be attacked. And all we will allow you are corrupt governments that serve the US.

Why has capitalism not saved South and Central America from massive poverty and deprivation?

Because US capitalism is the cause.

No, you're way out of line here. The troubles of Central, including Mexico and South America has been caused solely by incompetent, corrupt or socialist dictatorial regimes. America has had nothing to do with it except try to introduce democracy to some of these tin pot states. As the world's policeman has a right to at least try to enforce some decency and capitalism which would better the inhabitants standard of living for all, not just the dictators and their henchmen!

 

[angelo]

Meanwhile, back to the topic of the slowly disintegration of Western values, not just in Europe.........................https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/01/...-rep-rashida-tlaib-who-called-trump-motherfer

 

[untermensche]

I suppose it's because of US terrorism that millions of Sub Saharan Africans are flooding into Europe, and further Central and Southern Americans are flooding into the US itself?

It was European terrorism that tore apart Africa. And probably people are fleeing other people with either US or Russian weapons.

South America has been a US capitalist feeding zone for decades.

Corrupt governments that sell out their people so the US can come in and exploit labor and resources.

If you resisted you were attacked.

In Chile the US removed the elected government. In Nicaragua they created a terrorist proxy Army to do the same. The US attacked Cuba over and over. It invaded Guatemala and Haiti over and over.

Resist and you will be attacked. And all we will allow you are corrupt governments that serve the US.

Why has capitalism not saved South and Central America from massive poverty and deprivation?

Because US capitalism is the cause.

No, you're way out of line here. The troubles of Central, including Mexico and South America has been caused solely by incompetent, corrupt or socialist dictatorial regimes. America has had nothing to do with it except try to introduce democracy to some of these tin pot states. As the world's policeman has a right to at least try to enforce some decency and capitalism which would better the inhabitants standard of living for all, not just the dictators and their henchmen!

It is a joke to think the US had nothing to do with Mexico since the US invaded Mexico and took a huge amount of land.

There is corruption in Mexico.

Capitalism is a corrupt system that rewards the most corrupt.

For decades that has been the US.

 

[ruby sparks]

The troubles of Central, including Mexico and South America has been caused solely by incompetent, corrupt or socialist dictatorial regimes. America has had nothing to do with it except try to introduce democracy to some of these tin pot states. As the world's policeman has a right to at least try to enforce some decency and capitalism which would better the inhabitants standard of living for all, not just the dictators and their henchmen!

Omg. So there really exists someone who actually believes that propaganda. Eek.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I suppose it's because of US terrorism that millions of Sub Saharan Africans are flooding into Europe, and further Central and Southern Americans are flooding into the US itself?

It was European terrorism that tore apart Africa. And probably people are fleeing other people with either US or Russian weapons.

South America has been a US capitalist feeding zone for decades.

Corrupt governments that sell out their people so the US can come in and exploit labor and resources.

If you resisted you were attacked.

In Chile the US removed the elected government. In Nicaragua they created a terrorist proxy Army to do the same. The US attacked Cuba over and over. It invaded Guatemala and Haiti over and over.

Resist and you will be attacked. And all we will allow you are corrupt governments that serve the US.

Why has capitalism not saved South and Central America from massive poverty and deprivation?

Because US capitalism is the cause.

What drew US intervention wasn't opposing us, but joining the Soviet bloc. You have assumed US intervention in other cases where leftist economics have destroyed nations.

 

[angelo]

The troubles of Central, including Mexico and South America has been caused solely by incompetent, corrupt or socialist dictatorial regimes. America has had nothing to do with it except try to introduce democracy to some of these tin pot states. As the world's policeman has a right to at least try to enforce some decency and capitalism which would better the inhabitants standard of living for all, not just the dictators and their henchmen!

Omg. So there really exists someone who actually believes that propaganda. Eek.

OMG!!! Bernie, is that you??

 

[angelo]

Socialism has and always will fail for the simple fact that there's no such thing as a free lunch!

http://www.aei.org/publication/why-socialism-always-fails/

 

[untermensche]

Socialism is thriving in Europe.

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I suppose it's because of US terrorism that millions of Sub Saharan Africans are flooding into Europe, and further Central and Southern Americans are flooding into the US itself?

It was European terrorism that tore apart Africa. And probably people are fleeing other people with either US or Russian weapons.

South America has been a US capitalist feeding zone for decades.

Corrupt governments that sell out their people so the US can come in and exploit labor and resources.

If you resisted you were attacked.

In Chile the US removed the elected government. In Nicaragua they created a terrorist proxy Army to do the same. The US attacked Cuba over and over. It invaded Guatemala and Haiti over and over.

Resist and you will be attacked. And all we will allow you are corrupt governments that serve the US.

Why has capitalism not saved South and Central America from massive poverty and deprivation?

Because US capitalism is the cause.

What drew US intervention wasn't opposing us, but joining the Soviet bloc. You have assumed US intervention in other cases where leftist economics have destroyed nations.

Freely joining with some other party is no justification for any violent attack.

That you think it is shows you to be a well socialized American that has learned the lessons of capitalist tyranny well.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Socialism is thriving in Europe.

Most of the countries people wrongly refer to as Socialist have a generous social safety net laid on top of a market economy. They do not have collectivized ownership of the means of production.

You call yourself an anarchist.

 

[untermensche]

Socialism is thriving in Europe.

Most of the countries people wrongly refer to as Socialist have a generous social safety net laid on top of a market economy. They do not have collectivized ownership of the means of production.

You call yourself an anarchist.

Nationalized health insurance is socialism, not capitalism. Capitalists oppose it.

Nationalized education is socialism. So is nationalized food inspections and drug regulation.

A national retirement plan like Social Security is socialism.

Capitalists hate it. They hate anything that lessens the control from capitalists.

A market economy is not a product of capitalism.

An Anarchist economy is also a market economy. Small businesses create products for a market.

But within capitalism the dictatorial power structure is allowed.

So capitalism is an immoral and very dangerous market economy.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

You should publish your own dictionary.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Socialism is thriving in Europe.

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What drew US intervention wasn't opposing us, but joining the Soviet bloc. You have assumed US intervention in other cases where leftist economics have destroyed nations.

Freely joining with some other party is no justification for any violent attack.

That you think it is shows you to be a well socialized American that has learned the lessons of capitalist tyranny well.

By joining a bloc they were taking sides in the conflict and thus making themselves targets of the other side. Those who didn't join the Soviet bloc we generally left alone. (However, the Soviets didn't leave alone those who didn't join our bloc!)

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Socialism is thriving in Europe.

Most of the countries people wrongly refer to as Socialist have a generous social safety net laid on top of a market economy. They do not have collectivized ownership of the means of production.

You call yourself an anarchist.

Nationalized health insurance is socialism, not capitalism. Capitalists oppose it.

Nationalized education is socialism. So is nationalized food inspections and drug regulation.

A national retirement plan like Social Security is socialism.

None of these involve the means of production and thus none of them are socialism. #1 and #3 are social safety net, #2 is providing for the common good.

Capitalists hate it. They hate anything that lessens the control from capitalists.

Basically disagree:

#1: The problem here is quality. We look at the UHC systems in America and don't like them. Fix them before you try to expand them!!

#2: Such things stand in the way of making money, they don't remove control.

#3: The GOP doesn't like the government to do good. It's the same as the VC chopping the arms off those with smallpox vaccination scars.

A market economy is not a product of capitalism.

Yes, it is. Capitalism is the default state.

An Anarchist economy is also a market economy. Small businesses create products for a market.

An anarchist economy is basically a collection of capitalist economies. The big problem is that it's a horribly unstable state.

 

[angelo]

Meanwhile, this time in Kenya, the religion of peace is at it again, with a so far estimate of 21 dead, many still missing and many more injured!

https://citizen.co.za/news/south-af...rican-among-21-killed-in-kenya-terror-attack/

 

[untermensche]

Socialism is thriving in Europe.

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What drew US intervention wasn't opposing us, but joining the Soviet bloc. You have assumed US intervention in other cases where leftist economics have destroyed nations.

Freely joining with some other party is no justification for any violent attack.

That you think it is shows you to be a well socialized American that has learned the lessons of capitalist tyranny well.

By joining a bloc they were taking sides in the conflict and thus making themselves targets of the other side. Those who didn't join the Soviet bloc we generally left alone. (However, the Soviets didn't leave alone those who didn't join our bloc!)

Freely joining with some other party is no justification for violent attack.

Trying to defend yourself from US violence and attack is not a justification for it.

That is a very sick idea.

Nations had the absolute right to join up with the Soviets. It was no justification to attack anybody.

That the US had to attack people and violently pull them from having relations with the Soviets shows how pathetic the US side was.

 

[untermensche]

An Anarchist economy is also a market economy. Small businesses create products for a market.

An anarchist economy is basically a collection of capitalist economies. The big problem is that it's a horribly unstable state.

That is sheer stupidity.

It is not close to any real world truth.

Capitalist economies are dominated by huge dictatorial structures.

These do not exist in Anarchist economies.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

An Anarchist economy is also a market economy. Small businesses create products for a market.

An anarchist economy is basically a collection of capitalist economies. The big problem is that it's a horribly unstable state.

That is sheer stupidity.

It is not close to any real world truth.

Capitalist economies are dominated by huge dictatorial structures.

These do not exist in Anarchist economies.

No hierarchies in his utopia. Only him telling everyone else what they're not allowed to do.

 

[untermensche]

That is what the defenders of monarchy said.

You need a dictatorship. Democratic rule in any form is impossible.

Totally unsupported nonsense.

The only one freely in a top down dictatorship are those at the top.

Capitalists love to call submission to a dictatorship because there is no other choice freedom.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Voluntary Hierarchy is the same thing as Dictatorship - you heard it here first.

 

[untermensche]

Nothing voluntary about having no choice but to submit.

Voluntary would mean having a choice and making the choice to be some cog in a dictatorial scheme.

Nobody chooses that willingly.