Jokodo
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Do you mean the extremists who try to assassinate a mayoral candidate in Cologne and set fire to refugee reception centers, or some other kind?
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Do you mean the extremists who try to assassinate a mayoral candidate in Cologne and set fire to refugee reception centers, or some other kind?
Jokodo
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Tell me more about it. I live in the district of my country's capital with the highest percentage of people born abroad. Everyday, I walk by a restaurant and a hairdresser's run by Syrians, both opened within the last few months. How is that negatively affecting my life?
Sure you can provide examples.
And in some small towns with barely any foreigners where the local heavy industry, the only significant employer over decades, has shut down, unemployment can be over 50%.
In my country, the unemployment rate is 11.8% for non-citizens and 7.4% for citizens. That's almost 60% higher, but still low enough to guarantee that foreigners are in aggregate net contributors - because a much higher proportion of them is working age.
Sure you'll be able to back that up with data.
Yes, I guess "the fact that Islam is not compatible with Western culture" also explains why Suriname (14% Muslims) has the highest homicide rate of all of South America.
Oh, wait, it actually has the lowest rate of any country between Cuba to the North and Argentina to the South.
Jokodo
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By the way, my district, being not only the one with the highest rate of foreigners but also the poorest or one of the poorest (since basically forever, even before large-scale migration from beyond the crown lands happened), does have much higher rates of unemployment than the national average: 20% for foreigners and 17% for citizens. Interestingly, though, as you may have noticed, the gap is much lower at such a local level. It almost seems as if it basically evens out once you consider socie-economic factors: The gap almost vanishes once you compare foreigners with citizens who have to live in an area like this.
JonA
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No; I am not talking about inventing; I am talking about doing.
Nice try, though; but you can try again.
Learn some history, dude.
Syria's also been more prosperous than Finland for an estimated 95%++ of the last 10,000 years. Clearly, yesterday's Syrians were overall much better at "work[ing] hard to provide for their children a brighter better future".
That 5% has apparently made all the difference.
Either that or someone's also working smarter in addition to working harder.
And I'll repeat my answer, I guess:
He didn't. But his ancestors did - each generation, little by little.
Just like today's parents work hard to provide for their children a brighter better future, yesterday's parents did the same.
The fruits of my labors do not belong to the world as a whole to divvy up how it pleases, especially to those who sat capably but idly by while I labored.
"'Not I', said the dog"...
Just like today's parents work hard to provide for their children a brighter better future, yesterday's parents did the same.
The fruits of my labors do not belong to the world as a whole to divvy up how it pleases, especially to those who sat capably but idly by while I labored.
"'Not I', said the dog"...
Do you want to deal with that instead of posting some irrelevant bullshit about who invented bread?
Jokodo
Veteran Member
I've dealt with it. I've shown that the argument sucks. You are the one refusing to deal with that.
You are the one who insists that your ancestors, or even just the ancestors of people living near you, having done something gives you a moral and legal right to enjoy privileges other people don't enjoy.
Either admit that Syrians should be getting royalties from everyone in the world eating bread today, or admit that yours is a shitty argument.
The hairdresser is bound to start hacking people's heads off with a straight razor any day now.
Jokodo
Veteran Member
He doesn't seem to have a lot of non-immigrant costumers for the time being, as far as I can tell.
So we're left with the restaurant poisoning folks.
JonA
Senior Member
Again. I'm talking about doing, not inventing.
The modern world is no more indebted to Syria for bread than it is to England for industrialism.
Your nonsense has nothing to do with the point I've made, and you can expect no more replies from me unless you plan to address what I've actually said.
Jokodo
Veteran Member
Again. I'm talking about doing, not inventing.
The modern world is no more indebted to Syria for bread than it is to England for industrialism.
Your nonsense has nothing to do with the point I've made, and you can expect no more replies from me unless you plan to address what I've actually said.
Syrians farmed the land and built cities at about the time Finland emerged from under an ice shield. How does that not count as "doing"?
Most of the luxuries that you enjoy were not provided by the labour of your descendants.
Your descendants didn't build the infrastructure, build the industries, organise the government or establish Western cultural values. Most of the the work was done by people who don't share a relative with you in the last few centuries. The contributions of your parents, grandparents etc. are negligible.
Your wealth and privilege is a dividend of the labour of millions of people, and no amount of labour on your part can make you more deserving of that than the unlucky souls born to war and poverty.
TSwizzle
I am unburdened by what has been.
Looks like the Syrians have changed course and decided to abandon farming, trash their cities and move elsewhere. But anyway, what does it matter who was doing what 5,000 years ago ? Another one of you absurd comparisons and red herrings.
Jokodo
Veteran Member
It's not a comparison at all, so it logically cannot be an absurd comparison, absurd comparisons being a subset of comparisons.
That it doesn't matter who was doing what 5,000, 500, or 50 years ago is precisely my point.
TSwizzle
I am unburdened by what has been.
I honestly don't think you have a point.
So keep calm and carry on.
So keep calm and carry on.
Jokodo
Veteran Member
Jayjay wants being allowed in Europe to be a privilege one has to earn. He himself, as far as we can tell, did nothing to earn it, which I pointed out. JonA chimed in saying maybe he didn't but his ancestors (or, for the most part, unrelated people who happened to live near his ancestors) did, thereby implying that it does matter who was doing what 5,000, 500, or 50 years ago. The logical conclusion of that stance is that we should all be paying royalties for every slice of bread.
TSwizzle
I am unburdened by what has been.
It's impossible to respond to this level of absurdity. Find another hobby(horse).
laughing dog
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You are acknowledging Jokodo's point.
TSwizzle
I am unburdened by what has been.
WTF ? Somebody else that suffers from Tourette Syndrome.
laughing dog
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Are you getting treatment? Jokodo's basic point is that Jayjay and JonA's position is absurd.
TSwizzle
I am unburdened by what has been.
I don't need treatment, I'm not the one with Tourette, banging out incoherent claptrap.
Jokodo
Veteran Member
Interesting claim.
Would you like to support it with a link to the one post in this thread, or let's be generous, in this forum, in which you've made a coherent argument?
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