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[angelo]

It is the US that has been slaughtering Muslims for over a decade non-stop.

And an unprovoked US invasion and decade long brutal occupation that is the major cause of the current form and strength of ISIS.

Brutal occupation? Are we living on the same planet? as Dawkins asked recently.

 

[DrZoidberg]

It is the US that has been slaughtering Muslims for over a decade non-stop.

And an unprovoked US invasion and decade long brutal occupation that is the major cause of the current form and strength of ISIS.

Brutal occupation? Are we living on the same planet? as Dawkins asked recently.

Any occupation is brutal. Soldiers are soldiers. They're not day-care staff nor therapists. Any war leaves an entire population deeply traumatised. That is just the nature of war. Denying it is is... well.. retarded.

I was and still am a suporter of the Iraq invasion. Saddam was a horrendous dictator. I think the gassing of the Kurds in Halabja in 1988 gave any invader a carte blanche to go in whenever. I don't think the Iraq invasion was unprovoked. The invasion of Iraq was not "the slaughtering of Muslims". That invasion had nothing to do with religion*

*Unless you count Bush's voices in his head as religiously motivated.

 

[untermensche]

It is the US that has been slaughtering Muslims for over a decade non-stop.

And an unprovoked US invasion and decade long brutal occupation that is the major cause of the current form and strength of ISIS.

Brutal occupation? Are we living on the same planet? as Dawkins asked recently.

Yes fucking brutal.

People were rounded up at night, with no evidence, taken away and tortured. Innocents were killed everyday, so-called collateral damage. Corporate hitmen roamed the streets killing at will.

A massive act of terrorism.

The people who ordered the invasion of Iraq are no less guilty of crimes against humanity than Saddam Hussein and deserve his fate.

 

[untermensche]

It is the US that has been slaughtering Muslims for over a decade non-stop.

And an unprovoked US invasion and decade long brutal occupation that is the major cause of the current form and strength of ISIS.

What math are you looking at where 1500 < 10?

Yes some ignorant bigots are able to delude themselves into seeing the entire history of the world as just one Muslim crime.

But some of us are not so simple minded. We have eyes and brains.

We know what Iraq was before the US terrorist attack and brutal decade long occupation and we know this sectarian violence that the US act of terrorism unleashed didn't exist and hadn't existed in over 200 years.

We know that the military leadership of ISIS is former Iraqi military that lost a job after the US brutal act of terrorism against the Iraqi people.

We know that the US was the major supplier of weapons to ISIS, albeit involuntarily, but the weapons would not have been there had the US not carried out it's massive act of terrorism against the Iraqi people.

 

[DrZoidberg]

What math are you looking at where 1500 < 10?

Yes some ignorant bigots are able to delude themselves into seeing the entire history of the world as just one Muslim crime.

But some of us are not so simple minded. We have eyes and brains.

We know what Iraq was before the US terrorist attack and brutal decade long occupation and we know this sectarian violence that the US act of terrorism unleashed didn't exist and hadn't existed in over 200 years.

We know that the military leadership of ISIS is former Iraqi military that lost a job after the US brutal act of terrorism against the Iraqi people.

We know that the US was the major supplier of weapons to ISIS, albeit involuntarily, but the weapons would not have been there had the US not carried out it's massive act of terrorism against the Iraqi people.

So Saddam's violence against his own people doesn't count? Saddam used sectarian and tribal divisions to stay in power. Threw petrol on that fire like a mother-fucker. When a dictator of that type falls, it always leads to a massive war. All the butt-hurt gets unleashed at once. Same shit in Yugoslavia and Libya. It's the style of dictatorship that is the key. Not the religion. Trying to blame it on USA is silly. Yugoslavia wasn't USA's fault. Same shit happened there. Also worth noting. In Yugoslavia is was the Christians doing the exterminating and war-crimes against Muslims, who were the well-behaved innocent victims. Yes, really.

 

[untermensche]

Yes some ignorant bigots are able to delude themselves into seeing the entire history of the world as just one Muslim crime.

But some of us are not so simple minded. We have eyes and brains.

We know what Iraq was before the US terrorist attack and brutal decade long occupation and we know this sectarian violence that the US act of terrorism unleashed didn't exist and hadn't existed in over 200 years.

We know that the military leadership of ISIS is former Iraqi military that lost a job after the US brutal act of terrorism against the Iraqi people.

We know that the US was the major supplier of weapons to ISIS, albeit involuntarily, but the weapons would not have been there had the US not carried out it's massive act of terrorism against the Iraqi people.

So Saddam's violence against his own people doesn't count? Saddam used sectarian and tribal divisions to stay in power. Threw petrol on that fire like a mother-fucker. When a dictator of that type falls, it always leads to a massive war. All the butt-hurt gets unleashed at once. Same shit in Yugoslavia and Libya. It's the style of dictatorship that is the key. Not the religion. Trying to blame it on USA is silly. Yugoslavia wasn't USA's fault. Same shit happened there. Also worth noting. In Yugoslavia is was the Christians doing the exterminating and war-crimes against Muslims, who were the well-behaved innocent victims. Yes, really.

Saddam's violence doesn't count as what?

Yes the US has some responsibility for Saddam being there in the first place. The US helped him in his climb to the top. The US also allowed him to attack and destroy an insurgency that may have overthrown him after the first Gulf war where it could have easily prevented him from doing so.

 

[DrZoidberg]

So Saddam's violence against his own people doesn't count? Saddam used sectarian and tribal divisions to stay in power. Threw petrol on that fire like a mother-fucker. When a dictator of that type falls, it always leads to a massive war. All the butt-hurt gets unleashed at once. Same shit in Yugoslavia and Libya. It's the style of dictatorship that is the key. Not the religion. Trying to blame it on USA is silly. Yugoslavia wasn't USA's fault. Same shit happened there. Also worth noting. In Yugoslavia is was the Christians doing the exterminating and war-crimes against Muslims, who were the well-behaved innocent victims. Yes, really.

Saddam's violence doesn't count as what?

Yes the US has some responsibility for Saddam being there in the first place. The US helped him in his climb to the top. The US also allowed him to attack and destroy an insurgency that may have overthrown him after the first Gulf war where it could have easily prevented him from doing so.

The sectarian violence that hadn't existed for 200 years (not sure where you get that number) but that lack of sectarian violence was because Saddam was the source. His policies are to blame for the sectarian violence. That's how fascist regimes work. They create a tribally/sectarian stratified society, where certain groups are held above others, and then the regime makes sure everybody knows that these unfairly treated groups know it, and make them part of the system of oppression.

Yes, USA is guilty of putting him into power to begin with. That is true. Which USA should be ashamed of. But at some point we have draw the line of the blame. Saddam was of an evil beyond that which anybody had seen since Hitler.

As far as letting him destroy the insurgency. USA had a mandate to liberate Kuwait. Not to invade Iraq. Democracy and all that.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Brutal occupation? Are we living on the same planet? as Dawkins asked recently.

Yes fucking brutal.

People were rounded up at night, with no evidence, taken away and tortured. Innocents were killed everyday, so-called collateral damage. Corporate hitmen roamed the streets killing at will.

A massive act of terrorism.

The people who ordered the invasion of Iraq are no less guilty of crimes against humanity than Saddam Hussein and deserve his fate.

We certainly killed more than Saddam could have even contemplated.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Yes some ignorant bigots are able to delude themselves into seeing the entire history of the world as just one Muslim crime.

But some of us are not so simple minded. We have eyes and brains.

We know what Iraq was before the US terrorist attack and brutal decade long occupation and we know this sectarian violence that the US act of terrorism unleashed didn't exist and hadn't existed in over 200 years.

We know that the military leadership of ISIS is former Iraqi military that lost a job after the US brutal act of terrorism against the Iraqi people.

We know that the US was the major supplier of weapons to ISIS, albeit involuntarily, but the weapons would not have been there had the US not carried out it's massive act of terrorism against the Iraqi people.

So Saddam's violence against his own people doesn't count? Saddam used sectarian and tribal divisions to stay in power. Threw petrol on that fire like a mother-fucker. When a dictator of that type falls, it always leads to a massive war. All the butt-hurt gets unleashed at once. Same shit in Yugoslavia and Libya. It's the style of dictatorship that is the key. Not the religion. Trying to blame it on USA is silly. Yugoslavia wasn't USA's fault. Same shit happened there. Also worth noting. In Yugoslavia is was the Christians doing the exterminating and war-crimes against Muslims, who were the well-behaved innocent victims. Yes, really.

We hired a bunch of lynch mobs to take over Libya and look what we ended up with. Of course the War in Iraq started after Saddam was removed.

 

[TSwizzle]

Riots in Cyprus as "refugees" demand to be taken to England.

Police armed with Tasers had to quell disturbances involving migrants at a British military camp in Cyprus after tents were set on fire.
Some of the migrants – who are angry they are being forced to remain on the Mediterranean island and want permission to come directly to Britain – likened their detention to Guantanamo Bay.

Mr Marouf said the two boats had arrived at Akrotiri by accident.
'We didn't want to come here. We were going to Greece. None of us wants to be here... we should go to England.
'We told them we want to go to England, but they told us, "no". Now we're in a British prison.'

DailyMail

Mr Marouf is "Palestinian" and is from Lebanon apparently.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

What math are you looking at where 1500 < 10?

Yes some ignorant bigots are able to delude themselves into seeing the entire history of the world as just one Muslim crime.

But some of us are not so simple minded. We have eyes and brains.

We know what Iraq was before the US terrorist attack and brutal decade long occupation and we know this sectarian violence that the US act of terrorism unleashed didn't exist and hadn't existed in over 200 years.

We know that the military leadership of ISIS is former Iraqi military that lost a job after the US brutal act of terrorism against the Iraqi people.

We know that the US was the major supplier of weapons to ISIS, albeit involuntarily, but the weapons would not have been there had the US not carried out it's massive act of terrorism against the Iraqi people.

You realize Muslims engaged in slave raiding up until a couple of centuries ago and on a lesser scale even last century?

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Yes fucking brutal.

People were rounded up at night, with no evidence, taken away and tortured. Innocents were killed everyday, so-called collateral damage. Corporate hitmen roamed the streets killing at will.

A massive act of terrorism.

The people who ordered the invasion of Iraq are no less guilty of crimes against humanity than Saddam Hussein and deserve his fate.

We certainly killed more than Saddam could have even contemplated.

Saddam was killing an awful lot of his own people to make the sanctions look bad.

 

[untermensche]

Yes some ignorant bigots are able to delude themselves into seeing the entire history of the world as just one Muslim crime.

But some of us are not so simple minded. We have eyes and brains.

We know what Iraq was before the US terrorist attack and brutal decade long occupation and we know this sectarian violence that the US act of terrorism unleashed didn't exist and hadn't existed in over 200 years.

We know that the military leadership of ISIS is former Iraqi military that lost a job after the US brutal act of terrorism against the Iraqi people.

We know that the US was the major supplier of weapons to ISIS, albeit involuntarily, but the weapons would not have been there had the US not carried out it's massive act of terrorism against the Iraqi people.

You realize Muslims engaged in slave raiding up until a couple of centuries ago and on a lesser scale even last century?

The US had legalized slavery until 1863.

There are none of these sectarian wars in Iraq for hundreds of years until the US terrorizes the population which allows the most radical to gain power as terrorism always does.

 

[angelo]

Brutal occupation? Are we living on the same planet? as Dawkins asked recently.

Any occupation is brutal. Soldiers are soldiers. They're not day-care staff nor therapists. Any war leaves an entire population deeply traumatised. That is just the nature of war. Denying it is is... well.. retarded.

I was and still am a suporter of the Iraq invasion. Saddam was a horrendous dictator. I think the gassing of the Kurds in Halabja in 1988 gave any invader a carte blanche to go in whenever. I don't think the Iraq invasion was unprovoked. The invasion of Iraq was not "the slaughtering of Muslims". That invasion had nothing to do with religion*

*Unless you count Bush's voices in his head as religiously motivated.

IDF soldiers have THE best record of any other army on the planet of minimising civilian casualties bar none.
Israel would rather put their soldiers at risk than harm civilians. Who else has a leaflet drop warning of an imminent bombing, or directly by phone warning to evacuate a place about to be attacked because it's a rocket launching site, or another offensive site?
The ratio of civilian deaths and casualties to fighters is the best in any of the world's defence forces.

 

[Jokodo]

Any occupation is brutal. Soldiers are soldiers. They're not day-care staff nor therapists. Any war leaves an entire population deeply traumatised. That is just the nature of war. Denying it is is... well.. retarded.

I was and still am a suporter of the Iraq invasion. Saddam was a horrendous dictator. I think the gassing of the Kurds in Halabja in 1988 gave any invader a carte blanche to go in whenever. I don't think the Iraq invasion was unprovoked. The invasion of Iraq was not "the slaughtering of Muslims". That invasion had nothing to do with religion*

*Unless you count Bush's voices in his head as religiously motivated.

IDF soldiers have THE best record of any other army on the planet of minimising civilian casualties bar none.
Israel would rather put their soldiers at risk than harm civilians. Who else has a leaflet drop warning of an imminent bombing, or directly by phone warning to evacuate a place about to be attacked because it's a rocket launching site, or another offensive site?
The ratio of civilian to fighters is the best in any of the world's defence forces.

You keep learning new things everyday.

Just in today: Iraq was invaded and occupied by the IDF.

 

[angelo]

What math are you looking at where 1500 < 10?

Yes some ignorant bigots are able to delude themselves into seeing the entire history of the world as just one Muslim crime.

But some of us are not so simple minded. We have eyes and brains.

We know what Iraq was before the US terrorist attack and brutal decade long occupation and we know this sectarian violence that the US act of terrorism unleashed didn't exist and hadn't existed in over 200 years.

We know that the military leadership of ISIS is former Iraqi military that lost a job after the US brutal act of terrorism against the Iraqi people.

We know that the US was the major supplier of weapons to ISIS, albeit involuntarily, but the weapons would not have been there had the US not carried out it's massive act of terrorism against the Iraqi people.

This was an utterly foolish invasion and the removal of Hussain who with strong arm tactics at least kept Iraqi tribal factions united. It was the biggest blunder in US history. I still am of the opinion that Bush and his coalition of the willing leaders should have been tried for going to war under false pretenses.

Brutal occupation? Are we living on the same planet? as Dawkins asked recently.

Yes fucking brutal.

People were rounded up at night, with no evidence, taken away and tortured. Innocents were killed everyday, so-called collateral damage. Corporate hitmen roamed the streets killing at will.

A massive act of terrorism.

The people who ordered the invasion of Iraq are no less guilty of crimes against humanity than Saddam Hussein and deserve his fate.

 

[angelo]

IDF soldiers have THE best record of any other army on the planet of minimising civilian casualties bar none.
Israel would rather put their soldiers at risk than harm civilians. Who else has a leaflet drop warning of an imminent bombing, or directly by phone warning to evacuate a place about to be attacked because it's a rocket launching site, or another offensive site?
The ratio of civilian to fighters is the best in any of the world's defence forces.

You keep learning new things everyday.

Just in today: Iraq was invaded and occupied by the IDF.

This drivel doesn't merit a reply!

 

[Jokodo]

You keep learning new things everyday.

Just in today: Iraq was invaded and occupied by the IDF.

This drivel doesn't merit a reply!

No-one forced you to respond to DrZoidberg's post about the Iraq invasion and occupation with a lengthy laudatio, or should I say drivel, of the IDF, as if the IDF were involved in it.

 

[Bomb#20]

No, what I'm saying is that the neofacism in Sweden is a byproduct of Swedish political culture that feeds these groups. A bit part of it have been the Swedish immigration policies. But capitulating to their demands unconditionally is not a solution; changing the culture so that people's concerns are heard and addressed is what would remove the major appeal of these fringe groups.

If everyone who criticizes unchecked immigration is labeled a neo-nazi racist, don't be surprised if actual neo-nazi racists gain popularity.

Here's my analysis of the rising neo-faschism of Sweden. Sweden has a liberal elite and a liberal establishment. But Swedes in general are like Europeans in general, small minded, red-neck fascistoid idiots living in constant fear of some vague and undefined unknown. What make Swedes different is our traditional subservience to anybody in a position of power or authority.

So what has changed now? I think it's the Internet. The top down communication from the elites to the "unwashed masses" has eroded. Now people get informed using social media. This has created a profound shift in attitudes. We no longer blindly obey and respect figures of authority.

I think all that has happened is that Sweden's rosy and liberal veneer has been shattered. And now we see Sweden for what it is, and for what it always has been; just another country in Europe. We're just like the rest. Neither better or worse. All the same levels of idiocy.

I.e.,

"If there is hope, wrote Winston, it lies in the proles."

 

[Jokodo]

Here's my analysis of the rising neo-faschism of Sweden. Sweden has a liberal elite and a liberal establishment. But Swedes in general are like Europeans in general, small minded, red-neck fascistoid idiots living in constant fear of some vague and undefined unknown. What make Swedes different is our traditional subservience to anybody in a position of power or authority.

So what has changed now? I think it's the Internet. The top down communication from the elites to the "unwashed masses" has eroded. Now people get informed using social media. This has created a profound shift in attitudes. We no longer blindly obey and respect figures of authority.

I think all that has happened is that Sweden's rosy and liberal veneer has been shattered. And now we see Sweden for what it is, and for what it always has been; just another country in Europe. We're just like the rest. Neither better or worse. All the same levels of idiocy.

I.e.,

"If there is hope, wrote Winston, it lies in the proles."

A declared neo-nazi running into a school wielding a knife, selectively stabbing brown kids - "hope".

You're inside a subthread based on this post, you know?

 

[DrZoidberg]

You keep learning new things everyday.

Just in today: Iraq was invaded and occupied by the IDF.

This drivel doesn't merit a reply!

I was thinking the same thing as Jokodo. Your reply is completely irrelevant. Also.. silly. Almost everybody around Israel hates the IDF for how badly they behave. The stuff you mention is IDF's attempt to polish the turd. The army, as a social tool, is extremely blunt. You just hit stuff really hard. That's what it's for. If you use it everybody in contact with it will be traumatised and hate their guts. There's really no way around that. It's just the nature of armies. As even the "gentlest touch" of the IDF is evidence of.