Europe's revolving door for terrorists

[repoman]

Fuck Derec, just own it like me.

Rivers of Blood is true. Enoch Powell was a prophet.

Own it? You seem to have tried very hard here to keep people from knowing you're really a nazi.

There are some posts where I admit to having fascist, "racist" leanings. I don't hide it.

 

[ZiprHead]

Fuck Derec, just own it like me.

Rivers of Blood is true. Enoch Powell was a prophet.

Own it? You seem to have tried very hard here to keep people from knowing you're really a nazi.

There are some posts where I admit to having fascist, "racist" leanings. I don't hide it.

Doesn't sound like "owning it" to me.

 

[ruby sparks]

There are some posts where I admit to having fascist, "racist" leanings. I don't hide it.

Ok in that case I pretty much retract my previous post. I though you were being tongue in cheek. Kudos for being upfront, at least sometimes, but not for much else.

Why only some posts?

Or are you merely saying that your (ever-present) fascist/racist tendencies are not always relevant to a topic?

 

[Half-Life]

I don't know why people think this is racist. Muslim s not a race. Just like Christian is not a race. However, Muslims seem to love terrorist violence so much that it is beyond braindead to let them in a country willy nilly. Sure, there are some peaceful Muslims, but these are like finding a needle in a haystack. You wouldn't tell someone, "Don't throw out that haystack! It has 10 needles in it!!!," would you? Of course not. Who cares about the ten needles? The priority is keeping people safe from terrorist attacks.

We all warned this would happen. Leftists laughed. Just like on this board, when the first attack happened you all said, "LOL! It's just one attack!! Stop being so sensitive!!" Then when a 2nd one happened, you guys said, "LOL! It's only the 2nd attack. Why are you so worried over 2 attacks?" When it happend a 3rd time you guys said, "LOL! It's only 3 attacks and you ant to stop immigration? You're an idiot!" When the 4th one happened, you guys said, "LOL! 4 attacks and you still want to stop them? It's only 4!!!"

What are we up to now? 50? 51? 52? How much, "LOL! It's only #51!" can we take before you guys agree with us that this is moronic?

 

[Derec]

And terrorism has been a fact of life - part and parcel of living in London - for well over a century, with groups ranging from anarchists and revolutionary communists, through suffragettes and Irish republicans, to Islamic extremists.

In the last 50 years it has mostly been Islamsts though. There is a reason why London is getting far more terrorist attacks than Tokyo and that reason is all the Islamists UK has been importing for decades.

Every nutter with a cause has tried to terrorise Londoners, and it's not likely that this will stop any time soon. Londoners simply shrug and get on with life - or, given the opportunity, tackle the fuckwits and give them a good stomping.

And then release them after mere 8 years so they can do it again.

Londoners are, on the whole, huge supporters of multicultural diversity - and have been for centuries, since long before there was any language to describe it. They can easily grasp that not every Irishman is a terrorist, nor every German a Nazi, nor every Russian a red, nor every Muslim a suicide bomber.

It really depends on what you mean by "multicultural diversity" and how much of it there is. Of course, not every Muslim is a suicide bomber (not even Usman Khan was a suicide bomber), terrorist. Not every Muslim is an Islamist either, but many are. The thing is that if you let a lot of people from a very different culture in, without vetting them properly, you get problems. With Islamic mass migration specifically, you get a large fraction of those migrants not really immigrating into British society but forming a parallel Islamic society that seeks to impose their rules onto Britain when they are numerous and powerful enough. It's not like that hasn't happened before in European history, for example in Kosovo. Kosovo used to be almost entirely Serbian and Orthodox Christian, but Muslims from Albania started settling in Kosovo, had a lot of children per woman and eventually became the majority and seceded from Serbia (with help from Bill Clinton to his great shame!)

They know this, because their friends and neighbours are Irishmen, Germans, Russians, Muslims, Poles, Sikhs, Czechs, Jews, Pakistanis, Buddhists, Bangladeshis, Jamaicans, etc., etc.

And some of those neighbors may advocate for imposing Sharia Law in Britain.

Londoners just get on with it, as they have for more than twice as long as your nation has even existed.

Well London is probably already lost. There are parts of London where Muslims are already the majority.

 

[Derec]

Yes, you did say he was released in your OP.

He was released. He was in prison, then he was released. I did not say he was released without conditions. Except of course, that these conditions were completely insufficient. He still managed to murder two people before he was put down.

No, I was wowing at your silly response.

Nothing silly about that.

You mentioned their shared ancestry.

As a reason why they might be related. Not as a reason why they are both bad.

And bigotry can be against ideas as well as people. You really are only fooling yourself.

Declaring criticism and opposition to certain ideas 'bigotry' is first step to totalitarianism. You are not fooling anybody, far leftists like you are totalitarian in their heart of hearts.

 

[Derec]

Which had fuck all to do with this case. The guy we're talking about was born in Stoke-on-Trent, Staffordshire, a quarter century before the current refugee situation became a thing.

Yes, the slow-motion suicide of Europe started decades ago.

That tree is much taller now, of course. The recent "refugee" crisis is merely accelerating its growth.

 

[Jokodo]

So, Derec, you are going on record saying that you knowingly saying about a man from Stoke-on-Trent, Staffordshire, that he should have been deported "back to Pakistan" based on - his surname? Or are you too proud to admit you made assumptions?

Say again that's not racist!

 

[Derec]

The guy was born in Staffordshire.

Which means UK made a mistake letting his parents immigrate and giving them citizenship (presumably). But Shamima Begum (the teenage 'Deshi ISIS bride/propagandist) was born in UK, does not have Bangladeshi citizenship and yet UK stripped her of her British citizenship.

Don't get me wrong, this was one bad guy, but it was a British bad guy.

He was British in name only. Just like the Khadr terror family is Canadian in name only. They used Canada just to get free healthcare (including for terrorism-induced injuries) but spent most of their time waging jihad in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Talking of deporting him "back to Pakistan" is plain racism,

No, it's not.

at least unless you also demand that catholic American perpetrators need to be deported "back to Ireland/ Italy/ Germany/ Austria"

Under similar circumstances to Usman Khan's, why not?

Even in the unlikely case that he has Pakistani and Pakistani only citizenship - because neither he nor his parents ever bothered to obtain the British one - Pakistan has no reason to take him "back", as he was clearly born, raised and radicalised in England.

He was radicalized by a Pakistani preacher (the one smiling in the center of the "Sharia for UK" photo I posted above) living in UK (as well as a Yemeni rightly droned by Obama). Underscores my point that the UK immigration system was way too permissive. Europe should never have let any of these Islamists immigrate!

By what rationale would they bear the consequences if the British society and school system's failure to turn him into a productive member of society?

The only failure of the British society was in deciding that it was a good idea to allow all these Pakistani Islamists to immigrate.

 

[Derec]

So, Derec, you are going on record saying that you knowingly saying about a man from Stoke-on-Trent, Staffordshire, that he should have been deported "back to Pakistan" based on - his surname? Or are you too proud to admit you made assumptions?

His parents are from Pakistan. I am opposed to automatic birthright citizenship or allowing immigration of people hostile to the host countries. Political Islam is incompatible with Western values.

 

[Jokodo]

So, Derec, you are going on record saying that you knowingly saying about a man from Stoke-on-Trent, Staffordshire, that he should have been deported "back to Pakistan" based on - his surname? Or are you too proud to admit you made assumptions?

His parents are from Pakistan. I am opposed to automatic birthright citizenship or allowing immigration of people hostile to the host countries. Political Islam is incompatible with Western values.

As far as I know, Britain doesn't have automatic birthright citizenship. If you know otherwise, sources please!

Besides, citizenship isn't all that relevant to whether he should be deported: Pakistan had no part in creating this mess, period. They would be stupid to accept cleaning it up even if he were their citizen on some formality.

 

[Elixir]

Political Islam is incompatible with Western values.

Call the Waaaambulance. So is Donald Trump.

 

[Derec]

Let me explain to you Derec, as to why sometimes you appear racist based on your posting history. I'm sure you don't see yourself as a racist, very few people ever do.

"Racism" is a much overused word these days. And of course, only toward white people. Because according to SJWs, only whites can be racist.

But, here's the thing. You have started many threads over the years about a minority, black or Muslim of Arabic background who has committed a crime or act of terrorism.

Should we ignore crimes/terrorism committed by anybody but non-Muslim white people or else we are "racist"?

You often use words like thugs to describe these people.

I use thugs to describe thugs. Why shouldn't I? It's certainly more honest than pretending that for example Michael Brown did nothing wrong and was gunned down by Wilson for no reason, which is the standard #BLM narrative of that case.

The fact is that at least in our own country, the vast majority of mass murders have been committed by white males.

WRONG. I guess I could call you "self-hating racist" for repeating this oft-debunked falsehood.
The fact is that among mass murders, white people are underrepresented while blacks are overrepresented.

From here.
Note, ~70% of US population is white. Only ~14% is black.

But the racist "mass murderers are white" myth just won't die because it's so politically correct, even if it's factually incorrect.

Please correct me if I'm wrong but I don't remember you starting many or any threads where you exhibit your anger at the white males who have shot murdered a lot of innocent people.

I don't need to, as such threads are inevitably started and well commented, as it fits with SJW prejudices and we have many SJW posters on here.

Perhaps if you started threads equally about both white male violence and minority male violence without using terms like thugs or scum etc. you would not give people the idea that you hold racist feelings.

Did you ever say this to posters like AthenaAwakened or Don2? As far as I am concerned, the only reason I post the way I do is to bring a semblance of balance to the threads. When El Paso or whatever happened, a thread blaming "white supremacy" was quickly posted. But threads about non-white and/or Muslim violence less so, because it doesn't fit the politically correct narrative.

But, historically, in the US, the majority of these violent characters have been white.

Historically, the vast majority of the US has been white. You have to adjust these numbers to population numbers. Blacks may commit about as many murders as whites, but there are 5x as many whites in the US, and therefore the murder rate for blacks in the US is 5x that of whites.

Think of the Jim Crow past when white people tortured and/or hanged innocent black people.

Horrible business, but it's in the past. And even then, lynchings were a relatively rare occurrence, something that surprised me given how much attention it still receives. These days, there are about twice as many black-on-white homicides as there are white-on-black ones, according to FBI, and yet the latter receive the bulk of media and activist attention. I wonder why ...

Think of all the mass shootings starting with the one in the late 70s in the Texas Watchtower, Timmothy McVeigh and most of the more recent mass murderers. Almost everyone of them was a white male.

What about Omar Mateen in Orlando? What about John Mohammed and Lee Boyd Malvo in DC? Or Samuel Little, the most prolific US serial killer, but quite unknown because he doesn't fit the narrative that serial killers are white? What about Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik in San Bernardino? What about the Tsarnaev brothers in Boston? Or Sayfullo Saipov in New York? Or Ahmad Khan Rahim in NY/NJ? Or Akayed Ullah in New York? Or the elephant in the room, the 9/11 terrorist attacks?
And since you seem eager to go back to the 70s, how about the suitcase bomb ambush that killed a police officer in Omaha in 1970 by Ed Poindexter, David Rice and Duane Peak?

So, my question for you is, why do you have a tendency to point out the violent attacks committed by minorities but rarely if ever mention those committed by white men?

Because I think those are underepresented on this forum. You just now claimed that "almost everyone of them was white" when that's complete and utter bullshit. I am merely working to dispel that racist stereotype.

I mean this post to be constructive criticism, and I hope you will take it that way.

Me too. Please check the actual facts before believing and posting anti-white claims just because they fit your left-wing politics.

Please feel free to explain to me why you seem to start so many threads about the violence committed by minorities.

I don't start that many threads about that topic. I started this because a terrorist attack had just occurred in London. Should I have ignored it just because the perp is a Pakistani Muslim and thus not fit the SJW narrative of "who the real terrorist are"?

I, like you, live in a black majority city. I personally love my black friends and neighbors and enjoy many aspects of their culture,

I do too. Well, except hip hop.

so it's hard for me to understand why anyone would concentrate primarily on minorities who are violent when there are so many white men committing mass murders of innocent people.

There are mass murderers of any race. But the narrative is that mass murderers are white, when actually white people are less frequently mass murderers than you would expect from our share of the population. There is a disconnect between the popular politically-correct perception and reality. I seek to redress that. Instead of thinking "racist!" in a knee-jerk manner, you should perhaps engage with what I write.

If we do a lot of research, I'm sure we can find many examples in our own country when criminals with a violent past were allowed back on the street, only to commit another violent act. These criminals come from different backgrounds. White Christians have attacked black churches, and Jewish synagogues, as well as Muslim houses of worship. What is it about these minority members that make you feel so outraged. Maybe you're not outraged, but many of your posts give me that impression. Can you understand that?

I am outraged over any senseless violence. When that racist idiot shot up that church gathering, that was indeed horrible. He deserves the death penalty. But it is also bad if he is used as foil in an anti-white racist narrative that also occurs with some regularity.

 

[Derec]

Political Islam is incompatible with Western values.

Call the Waaaambulance. So is Donald Trump.

See. The radical left is so far gone that 1) they refuse to condemn Islamism and 2) they ALWAYS come back to Trump.

Anybody: "Horrible weather we've been having lately"
Elixir: "It's Trump who is horrible!"

 

[Derec]

Besides, citizenship isn't all that relevant to whether he should be deported: Pakistan had no part in creating this mess, period. They would be stupid to accept cleaning it up even if he were their citizen on some formality.

So if you have non-citizen terrorist and you don't think he should be deported? I mean fine if he can be thrown in some Supermax hole for life, but not if he gets released after 8 years to engage in terrorism again.

 

[laughing dog]

Which means UK made a mistake letting his parents immigrate and giving them citizenship (presumably).

Why? Do you have any evidence that his actions and beliefs are the result of his upbringing or is this pure bigotry?

He was British in name only. Just like the Khadr terror family is Canadian in name only. They used Canada just to get free healthcare (including for terrorism-induced injuries) but spent most of their time waging jihad in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Do you have any evidence this man's family did the same thing or is this just more bigotry?

No, it's not.

Saying he should be deported to Pakistan based on his name is bigoted or just plain moronic.

 

[Derec]

Why? Do you have any evidence that his actions and beliefs are the result of his upbringing or is this pure bigotry?
Do you have any evidence this man's family did the same thing or is this just more bigotry?

There is a reason why people of Pakistani descent are many orders of magnitude more likely to embrace radical Islam than people of British descent. The likes of Jordan Horder are the exception, the likes of Usman Khan the rule. Just probabilistically, his parents were most likely Islamists. Not necessarily supporters of terrorism, but certainly proponents of political Islam.

Saying he should be deported to Pakistan based on his name is bigoted or just plain moronic.

It's moronic to say that it's based on his name and not the fact that he is actually Pakistani by ethnicity. His family still owns land in Pakistani-occupied Kashmir, where Usman wanted to found a "school of terrorism".

 

[ruby sparks]

Derec. Mate. Question. I agree with a fair bit of what you have to say, on most topics, but.....has it ever, honestly, crossed your mind, that you are one overly-bitter fucker?

 

[Half-Life]

Derec. Mate. Question. I agree with a fair bit of what you have to say, on most topics, but.....has it ever, honestly, crossed your mind, that you are one overly-bitter fucker? ??????

He provided facts that white men are NOT the majority of terror attacks. Your feelings say they are.

He provided facts that Muslim immigration needs to be stopped completely, or comb each person for hours before letting them in. Vetting people for hours to prevent deaths should be acceptable to any reasonable person. Your feelings say everyone should be let in.

Seems he's dealing with facts and you guys are dealing with your feelings. FACTS over FEELINGS every time.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Seems he's dealing with facts and you guys are dealing with your feelings. FACTS over FEELINGS every time.

says the guy who was SURE Jesus sourced his feelings about gays..,