laughing dog
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As you point out, the median household income is 59K, so your initial claim that it is a lot of money is bs. Your attempts at spinning the average as pretty good would not even get applause for a pole dancer.
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I would consider it a lot if people gave that much to see me naked.
ruby sparks
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Hang on a sec, are you comparing like with like (an individual versus a household)?
Two people, both strippers.......$96k?
Or to look at it another way, average female earnings....$28k? (male $39k?).
Derec
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As I said, it is average household income. And strippers tend to be younger, 18-35. As you can see below, the $48k is significantly more than young people make overall. And you have ignored by point that many strippers work part time.
Let's not pretend that strippers are not well paid.
laughing dog
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No one is comparing like with like. Derec has no effing clue whether strippers are part of multi-earner households. Nor does he has a clue what the median or average number of earners per household are. In particular, it is known that the number of earners in a household rises with income (https://www.bls.gov/opub/btn/volume-6/use-with-caution-interpreting-consumer-expenditure-income-group-data.htm)
ruby sparks
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If the average earnings for female strippers is $48k, that would seem to be well above average, all other things being equal, such as educational attainment and age.
Derec
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I am coming much closer than you. For example, I found the median individual income, so number of earners in the household is irrelevant.
Median personal income in the US is $31k. That means that strippers, on average, earn 155% of median income.
But I doubt you will ever admit you were wrong.
ruby sparks
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Oddly, that was somewhat similar, if you change it a bit, to what I recently said to a pole dancer.
Oh FFS, you were being serious
About 30 years ago, my husband and I owned a company that bought & managed investment property throughout Florida. At one point, we bought an apartment building, and inherited the on-site manager. Shortly after, the manager - David - asked to speak with me. He was visibly nervous, but he wanted to 'come-out' to me... not because it was any of my business, but because he wanted his partner to move in with him. (Since we provided his apartment as part of his compensation, he wanted my approval upfront rather than risk losing his job later).
Anyway, needless to say I had no problem with either his being gay nor his having his partner live with him. But because of that conversation, David always felt he could trust me after that, and I was treated to some hilarious stories about the previous building owner.
The story that pertains to this thread was how the previous owner was constantly inviting David to strip clubs. I'm sure the man thought he was attempting to create a fun, casual working environment, but in fact he was making David very uncomfortable.
Moral of the story - it's not just "feminists", Derec.
In a diverse workplace, with people of all types of backgrounds, having business-related activities at a strip club is just fucking stupid. Anyone who wants to go to a strip club can do so at their own expense.
laughing dog
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You're the one who said strippers make a lot of money. I showed that as a group, they do not. Some strippers do, just like some boxers make good money. But on average, neither do.
Unless you have access to actual data on the distribution of earnings of strippers, you are literally making shit up to justify your fantasy-driven views.
ruby sparks
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"Average Stripper/Exotic Dancer Salary: $48,166"
https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Stripper/Exotic_Dancer/Salary
https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Stripper/Exotic_Dancer/Salary
Derec
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As a group, strippers make more than 50% more than the median personal income in the US. That's good money.
Just curious... what the fuck does a stripper's salary have to do with whether a private company allows strip clubs as an approved expense or not?
Are all of the strippers going to be on unemployment because Underarmour decided to join modern society?
Are all of the strippers going to be on unemployment because Underarmour decided to join modern society?
laughing dog
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Median personal income includes pension, and other non-labor income. It includes people on SS. Strippers labor for their income.
You literally are trying to hard to defend an incredibly stupid claim - strippers do not makes lots of money.
Whether strippers make "good money" depends on
a) the definition of "good money", and
b) one's view of the labor required to make "good money".
Derec
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As do other people in their age range. I posted income data broken down by age as well. Strippers make significantly more than the median 20-something for example.
Your claim is the one that is incredibly stupid. And instead of admitting you were wrong, you are digging in.
$48k is certainly good money. Especially for a young person and especially for a job that does not require a college degree.
Derec
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I responded to Genesis' claim that strip clubs are horrible establishments for women. Then laughing dog dug in claiming that $48k is not a good amount of money for an individual to earn.
- No, but their earnings are going to go down somewhat. Easier to spend expense account money than your own.
- Strip clubs are a modern phenomenon. What does blackballing strip clubs have to do with "joining the modern society"? If anything it's the opposite. Conservative religion and radical feminism are both pulling us in a very regressive direction.
No one is "blackballing strip clubs"
You just have to go on your own time at your own expense.
And if you all are too cheap to do that, thereby causing these poor strippers to suffer a decline in income... well that's on you; not on feminists or anyone else who would prefer not to be forced to conduct business in a strip club.
Derec
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If Underarmor says "you can take the client everywhere except a strip club" that is blackballing strip clubs.No one is "blackballing strip clubs"
Unfortunately I do not have a job that gives me a budget to entertain clients, but if it did, I would certainly enjoy spending it at Cheetah or Follies or Tattletale.
So yeah, I have to use my own money at strip clubs.
But radfems want to ban strip clubs altogether, like in Iceland.untermensche
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Strip clubs promote immorality.
They promote lying.
The promote men lying to themselves that these woman want anything but their money.
They promote lying.
The promote men lying to themselves that these woman want anything but their money.
RavenSky said:
Nobody’s talking about forcing anyone to do anything. The question is why it would or would not be acceptable if everyone agrees to it.
Clearly if there are women in a group and someone suggests taking a client to a strop club, that guy is a dick and the women have a legitimate complaint about him to management. However, if the client is a guy who likes going to strip clubs and the people working on the account are guys who don’t mind going to strip clubs, why are they a more illegitimate way to woo a client than taking that client to other legal businesses would be?