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Fired Officer's Convictions a Rare Triumph for Rape Victims

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The rape convictions that could put a fired Oklahoma City police officer behind bars for life are vindication for some of the women he targeted, and also a reminder of how difficult it is to achieve justice in such cases.

Most victims never report sexual assaults, and those who accused ex-officer Daniel Holtzclaw were even more vulnerable as poor black women, many with checkered histories of crime and addiction.

A grandmother's bravery in telling her story made all the difference this time. After Holtzclaw pulled her over, forced her to expose herself and perform oral sex, she filed a complaint that triggered a search for other victims.

I am very surprised we don't have a thread about this case. It has all the hot-button issues for some people on this board: poor black women with criminal histories and/or drug abuse (i.e. female dindu thugs), rape (which doesn't exist), a white police officer (which makes him automatically innocent of all wrong-doing), and even Benjamin Crump (that damned shyster)

Just one-third of all rapes and sexual assaults were reported to police in 2014, lower than any other category of crime, according to the National Crime Victimization Survey by the Bureau of Justice Statistics. Only 40 percent of these led to an arrest or some other kind of closure, according to an FBI study of rapes reported in 2010.

Even when a reluctant victim comes forward and an arrest is made, prosecutors may decide they lack the evidence to win a conviction.

When they do go to trial, a courtroom win is never assured: 68 percent of rape cases adjudicated in the 75 largest U.S. counties in 2009 led to a conviction, according to the federal data. And even when convictions are won in cases where rape was the most serious charge, 11 percent don't go to prison.

"It's difficult all the way through the system," said Scott Berkowitz, president of the Rape, Abuse and Incest National Network.

The "he said-she said" nature of such cases make them even more difficult when officers are accused. The very few who are tried in court can be portrayed as heroes, swaying juries.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/oklahoma-cops-rape-conviction-symbol-national-problem-35708284
 
I am very surprised we don't have a thread about this case. It has all the hot-button issues for some people on this board: poor black women with criminal histories and/or drug abuse (i.e. female dindu thugs), rape (which doesn't exist), a white police officer (which makes him automatically innocent of all wrong-doing), and even Benjamin Crump (that damned shyster)

Just one-third of all rapes and sexual assaults were reported to police in 2014, lower than any other category of crime, according to the National Crime Victimization Survey by the Bureau of Justice Statistics. Only 40 percent of these led to an arrest or some other kind of closure, according to an FBI study of rapes reported in 2010.

Even when a reluctant victim comes forward and an arrest is made, prosecutors may decide they lack the evidence to win a conviction.

When they do go to trial, a courtroom win is never assured: 68 percent of rape cases adjudicated in the 75 largest U.S. counties in 2009 led to a conviction, according to the federal data. And even when convictions are won in cases where rape was the most serious charge, 11 percent don't go to prison.

"It's difficult all the way through the system," said Scott Berkowitz, president of the Rape, Abuse and Incest National Network.

The "he said-she said" nature of such cases make them even more difficult when officers are accused. The very few who are tried in court can be portrayed as heroes, swaying juries.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/oklahoma-cops-rape-conviction-symbol-national-problem-35708284

Fortunately, some folks appreciate the difference between the delusions of neurotic "artist" Ms Mattress-Girl and Jannie Ligons. However, it is too bad that "the movement" can't let themselves celebrate a counterfactual that derails their trope.

Former Oklahoma City police officer Daniel Holtzclaw was a vile and real serial rapist. His last victim, Ligons, was pulled over and made to her perform oral sodomy while being terrified of being shot if she did not comply. She kept begging him not to shoot her or make her do it. He ignored her pleas.

And apparently she was the first to report his assaults, among his 13 known or alleged victims. Oklahoma City police listened, made the report, investigated and then went deeper to find all the other victims. He was fired and charged with 36 counts, of which he was found guilty of 18. The jury has recommended a life sentence, as it should have.

This man is a piece of filth who sodomized and raped women under the color of law. His depravity is shocking, raping one woman he had taken to a hospital, after he had handcuffed her to a hospital bed. As far as I am concerned, he can rot in some super-max cell till he dies of old age.

So I (like most males) are delighted that this scum was caught and convicted, and that the Ok. City system is working as it should.

But what do we get? Sour grapes that they can't find anything to slur the Police with.
 
True story, dude.

I used to work with a guy named Dave. Dave was a little weird. He was very religious and very active in his church. He did not like black people and was very homophobic. He also smelled bad in the summer. I was his immediate supervisor, and twice I sent him home because no one could come near him without feeling nauseous. It was some kind of metabolic problem which happened only in the summer. The shop was not air conditioned, so by about 10 am, Dave would be soaked in sweat that smelled like a meat freezer that had broken down and no one noticed for a week. Other than that, he was easy to get along with and never caused any trouble for me, except for the smell thing.

This is just back story, and actually nothing to do with the story.

Fast Forward:

I moved on to bigger and better things and lost touch with Dave. He was still at the dealership where we worked together. One day, I see a small item in the police report, in the daily paper. Dave has been arrested for soliciting sex from a city policeman. The incident occurred at a public park men's room. The police officer was in plain clothes. (There is a side story about the fact it was no longer illegal to talk to another man about sex in a public place, but that's another story)

Dave's story was simple. He was at the park on a Saturday afternoon, playing with his radio controlled model truck. He needed to take break and when he entered the men's room, the officer handcuffed him and called a patrol car to carry him away. Everybody in our small circle were mystified. We all knew a few men who actually do solicit sex in public toilets, but never suspected Dave would be one of them. If he was, the idea of him approaching a black man made the whole thing even more bizarre. Dave maintained his innocence throughout the ordeal. The district attorney keeps up on current events, so he knew the Louisiana statute that makes this sort of thing illegal, had been struck down by the Supreme Court and was no longer enforceable. The legislature had never taken the time to revise the law, so it remained on the books. After Dave had been booked and got his name in the paper, the case was dropped.

A few months later, the police officer in question was in the paper again. A prostitute claimed he had raped her. A prostitute has to maintain good relations with her local cops, if she wants to stay in business, so she will get to know quite a few of them. In this case, the prostitute went to an officer she trusted and told him the story. These things can get complicated. The friendly officer may have been outraged by the tale, or was worried he was being set up for not reporting a crime. We'll never know, but he reported the rape to his supervisor. All patrol cars had recently been upgraded to carry GPS recording devices. It was a simple matter to review the record and see the accuse officer's car was outside his patrol area, parked at the vacant house, where the prostitute claimed he had taken her and raped her.

Once the rape charge was made public, it all caved in. Several other prostitutes and other women came forward and told similar stories.

In the end, all of his soliciting arrests were found to be bogus. Whenever his supervisor gave him grieve for goofing off, he would go to the park and arrest someone who appeared to be alone. He's in the jailhouse now, but Dave's story was lost in the mix.
 
article said:
The rape convictions that could put a fired Oklahoma City police officer behind bars for life
Amazing how you can get life for rape but murderers like Mary Winkler get 60 days. :rolleyes:
I am very surprised we don't have a thread about this case. It has all the hot-button issues for some people on this board: poor black women with criminal histories and/or drug abuse (i.e. female dindu thugs),
Most of those women had real criminal histories. What's your point?
rape (which doesn't exist),
Obviously he does exist and Holzclaw is guilty. He just doesn't deserve to spend the rest of his life in prison while many killers get out after a few years - or even 2 months like the aforementioned feminist icon.
a white police officer
He has one white parent. Interesting that you round that up (or down) to "white". I guess Obama is just another honky in the White House ...
(which makes him automatically innocent of all wrong-doing),
You meant to write automatically guilty, right?
and even Benjamin Crump (that damned shyster)
He deserved to be disbarred but that's another story.
 
Amazing how you can get life for rape but murderers like Mary Winkler get 60 days. :rolleyes:

I agree with most of your points, including that on Mary Winkler. As I am a junkie for the documentaries on crime (e.g. Snapped, I almost Got away with it, etc.) and there are some shocking stories of miscarriages of justice - some innocent being convicted by corrupt law enforcement, some craven killers getting a slap on the wrist.

BUT I can't agree with you on his sentence. I would not hesitate to demand the same sentence of any other serial sexual assaulter and rapist male. One time is bad, but 13 women over a period of years?

4 convictions on rape, 4 other convictions on forced oral sodomy. Worse yet, he did it with a badge as an officer of the law who is supposed to protect the public from predictors just like him. That betrayal of trust and stain on the men in blue requires enhanced punishment. And the all-white Okie jury saw it the same way and asked for more than 200 years in prison.

Rapists don't change under current treatment programs. There is little hope he will. Give him at least 25 years to life, with a 20 yr minimum.

PS I am rarely cynical (as many are) when a defendant tearfully well up and cry - I assume that he/she is crying for both themselves as well as their self-destructive actions. BUT when I saw this cop wail on TV, his sorrow looked over-the-top theatrically fake. In other words, I suspect he is psychopathic.
 
The verdict left the Rev. Al Sharpton "somewhere between jumping and shouting 'Hallelujah' and feeling aggrieved for the women."

"If an all-white jury in Oklahoma City would convict a policeman of this amount of grievances, of charges, then it gives us hope that our marching and continued organizing is not in vain," Sharpton said.

Perhaps Sharpton is correct that this indicates change. I'm a bit more cynical, but I guess time will tell.
 
Perhaps Sharpton is correct that this indicates change. I'm a bit more cynical, but I guess time will tell.
Well we've come a long way since he and Tawana Brawley1 tried to railroad a white prosecutor for a rape that never happened.
I.e. Sharpton is the last person who should be saying anything about any rape case.

1How much restitution has she paid her victim so far?
 
BUT I can't agree with you on his sentence. I would not hesitate to demand the same sentence of any other serial sexual assaulter and rapist male. One time is bad, but 13 women over a period of years?
4 convictions on rape, 4 other convictions on forced oral sodomy. Worse yet, he did it with a badge as an officer of the law who is supposed to protect the public from predictors just like him. That betrayal of trust and stain on the men in blue requires enhanced punishment. And the all-white Okie jury saw it the same way and asked for more than 200 years in prison.
I do not think locking somebody up for the rest of their life for a crime short of murder is right, but I guess we will disagree on this point. I find in general Americans have an impulse to advocate very harsh sentences, too harsh for the circumstances. No wonder we are #1 when it comes to incarcerations.
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Amazing that at the same time many murderers get away with pretty much a slap on the wrist.
 
Perhaps Sharpton is correct that this indicates change. I'm a bit more cynical, but I guess time will tell.
Well we've come a long way since he and Tawana Brawley tried to railroad a white prosecutor for a rape that never happened.
I.e. Sharpton is the last person who should be saying anything about any rape case.

I don't think it's Sharpton who should be the last.

In any case, why don't you answer the question from the other thread here? You are okay with a rapist of 1000 women to go to jail for 20 years and then walk the streets?
 
I don't think it's Sharpton who should be the last.
Who would you nominate?
In any case, why don't you answer the question from the other thread here? You are okay with a rapist of 1000 women to go to jail for 20 years and then walk the streets?
20 years is a very long time. And note that there are murderers who spent far less time in prison.
 
Who would you nominate?

Based on your comment below, YOU.

Derec said:
In any case, why don't you answer the question from the other thread here? You are okay with a rapist of 1000 women to go to jail for 20 years and then walk the streets?
20 years is a very long time. And note that there are murderers who spent far less time in prison.

Derec, there are not many (or possibly any) serial killers who killed 1000 people who then spent less than 20 years in prison.
 
Based on your comment below, YOU.

Derec said:
In any case, why don't you answer the question from the other thread here? You are okay with a rapist of 1000 women to go to jail for 20 years and then walk the streets?
20 years is a very long time. And note that there are murderers who spent far less time in prison.

Derec, there are not many (or possibly any) serial killers who killed 1000 people who then spent less than 20 years in prison.

There is not any murderer anywhere ever who murdered 13 people and was convicted, but got less than life.
 
Based on your comment below, YOU.
I never tried to frame somebody for a rape that never happened and use this imaginary rape to fan the fires of racial hatred. So, no, it should still be Sharpton.

Derec, there are not many (or possibly any) serial killers who killed 1000 people who then spent less than 20 years in prison.
There are also no people I know of who raped 1000 women. I would expect the only way it could happen is during a war.
 
I never tried to frame somebody for a rape that never happened and use this imaginary rape to fan the fires of racial hatred. So, no, it should still be Sharpton.

Derec, there are not many (or possibly any) serial killers who killed 1000 people who then spent less than 20 years in prison.
There are also no people I know of who raped 1000 women. I would expect the only way it could happen is during a war.

Okay, then, raped people 1000 times in total, but you already gave an insufficient answer.
 
There are also no people I know of who raped 1000 women. I would expect the only way it could happen is during a war.

But we do know of one person who raped thirteen women! At least one of them was a minor! But you don't think he should serve time for each and every one of those convictions!

Oh wait, that's right... His victims were women. Black women. They don't count as human beings to you, so of course you dont think the ex-cop should serve time for every one of those rapes he committed.
 
But we do know of one person who raped thirteen women! At least one of them was a minor! But you don't think he should serve time for each and every one of those convictions!
He should serve very significant prison time. I just don't think he should have to die in prison when he didn't kill anybody.
Oh wait, that's right... His victims were women. Black women. They don't count as human beings to you, so of course you dont think the ex-cop should serve time for every one of those rapes he committed.
Well if Holzclaw is white because of one white parent, I am sure a couple of these women at least will turn out to have been white all along. :tonguea:

Seriously though, their race and gender do not matter. I do believe he should go to prison for a long time. But I do have a problem with this very American lust for retribution. As I said before, that fuels US being #1 in per capita incarcerations.
 
He should serve very significant prison time. I just don't think he should have to die in prison when he didn't kill anybody.

So how many of the multiple rape convictions should carry zero penalty because Derec goes boo-hoo over a RAPIST serving time for ALL of his rape convictions?

You can't show any empathy whatsoever for any of the victims. You can't show any empathy whatsoever for Lady Gaga raped at 19 years old. But you feel oh so bad for the CONVICTED RAPIST having to serve his sentences for ALL of his convictions.
 
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