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Fraud in Minnesomalia

lol, Tampon Tim has dropped out the race for re-election :ROFLMAO:
I never liked him, and Kamala really made a blunder making him her running mate just because he called Republicans "weird".
With Josh Shapiro, who knows, perhaps Trump 2.0 would have remained a hypothetical.
 
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The Lt governor then in response went to the Somali community, to a mosque and a market to speak out in solidarity with the vast majority of well-behaved people.
It is telling that her first response to a Somali daycare fraud scandal is to go to a mosque.

Btw, even if she wanted to go to the "Somali community" (which already implies that they are apart from the regular community of Minnesota and thus not integrated) she could have done so without going to a mosque and adopting Muslim dress restrictions. Have a town hall like a normal person, Peggy!
 
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You made unsupported claims about Somalis being “unassimilated.
A large number of them, yes. I never claimed it applies to all.
When asked to define what you mean, the predictable response consisting of insults, excuses, and evasion. It’s no longer annoying but now it’s just boring.
Things like Islamism (which includes veils for women and practices such as FGM) and also living apart from the mainstream society, i.e. mostly associating with other Somalis. Young Somalis are also frequently joining terror groups like Al Shabab and ISIS.
 
The Lt governor then in response went to the Somali community, to a mosque and a market to speak out in solidarity with the vast majority of well-behaved people.
It is telling that her first response to a Somali daycare fraud scandal is to go to a mosque.

As already discussed that wasn't what she was responding to. You are persisting in stating she was responding to fraud when she was responding to Trump's bigotry. Why are you trying to make this into something it isn't while ignoring Trump's extremism?

Btw, even if she wanted to go to the "Somali community" (which already implies that they are apart from the regular community of Minnesota and thus not integrated) she could have done so without going to a mosque and adopting Muslim dress restrictions. Have a town hall like a normal person, Peggy!

This is an idiotic thing to say: throughout the history of the United States, up to the present, there have been pockets of immigrant and religious communities. In no way has that meant that any such community could not be integrated. That's just absurd and still ignoring what her purpose was. Why are you continually attacking a woman for responding to bigotry?
 
You made unsupported claims about Somalis being “unassimilated.
A large number of them, yes. I never claimed it applies to all.
No one said you did. But you have yet to define what you mean by “assimilated “ or “unassimilated “.
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When asked to define what you mean, the predictable response consisting of insults, excuses, and evasion. It’s no longer annoying but now it’s just boring.
Things like Islamism (which includes veils for women and practices such as FGM) and also living apart from the mainstream society, i.e. mostly associating with other Somalis. Young Somalis are also frequently joining terror groups like Al Shabab and ISIS.
Do you have an index that measures this or is it just a general feeling?
 
I knew a Somali lady many years ago . She was very pretty and goodhearted.

David Bowie’s wife, Iman is Somali. I remember seeing her in a commercial in the 80s for a liquor whose name escapes me. And I just happened to watch “No Way Out” a (Kevin Costner movie) the other night and she had a minor role in that. She has a Somali look about her.
 
You made unsupported claims about Somalis being “unassimilated.
A large number of them, yes. I never claimed it applies to all.
When asked to define what you mean, the predictable response consisting of insults, excuses, and evasion. It’s no longer annoying but now it’s just boring.
Things like Islamism (which includes veils for women and practices such as FGM) and also living apart from the mainstream society, i.e. mostly associating with other Somalis. Young Somalis are also frequently joining terror groups like Al Shabab and ISIS.
How much do you know about the Amish? The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints? Conservative Jews?

Do you actually know any Somali Americans? In my experience, Somali women DO often wear head coverings, covering their hair and modest dress as do some other members of various religious groups. None that I've seen or worked with wore veils or concealed their faces.

A small number of Somali immigrants (mostly young men) did join/attempt to join terror groups back in the early 2000's. I believe the number was under 20.
 
You made unsupported claims about Somalis being “unassimilated.
First gen large scale immigrants rarely assimilate. Especially when the modern practice is to promote multiculturalism, which slows or halts assimilation.

It's not a hard rule, of course, but generally speaking, the initial adult immigrants don't assimilate very well. The children born of adult immigrants in the country of immigration overcorrect - they tend to reject their cultural heritage and adopt the new culture, sometimes in an almost caricatured fashion. The third generation (second gen born in country) tend to be well-assimilated, meaning that they actually acculturate to the new country but also retain some appreciation and respect for their heritage. That's where the melting occurs.

There's a significant amount of variation, of course. People immigrating from similar cultures assimilate very quickly; people from very different cultural backgrounds assimilate more slowly. Voluntary immigrants assimilate faster than refugees and asylum seekers. Immigrants who are geographically concentrated assimilate more slowly.

In the case of Somalis in Minnesota, you've got a large number of recent refugees who are geographically concentrated, and who come from a very different culture with significant differences in beliefs and values. In another 30 years they'll probably be assimilated, assuming we avoid balkanization.
IMO, without a definition that translates into observable assessment, your analysis isn’t very helpful to me.
It's funny how selective people are about sociology. If it supports whatever point they're trying to make, it magically becomes science, and often gets treated as if it's hard science. If it doesn't support whatever point they're trying to make, they just hand-wave it away.

The process of assimilation into a host culture isn't exactly a mysterious and new-fangles experiment with no observations behind it. But whatever. Apparently noting that a geographically concentrated group of refugee immigrants from an extremely different cultural background with a very different values and beliefs hasn't yet assimilated into US culture is a horrific insult that wounds you to your very core. :rolleyes:
 
Surely some of the accused are guilty and surely many of these people are correctly identified as Somalis. No one here is arguing with that and neither am I. However, I __do__ note that much of the language is speculative about motivations of persons such as Democrats and Minnesotans. Moreover, there is an interesting timeline and federal accountability angle that is being completely ignored.

Example: One of the biggest frauds in these cases is a federal program even IF being administered by the Minnesota Dept of Education, i.e. the funding started with the federal Dept of Agriculture. Likewise, these are federal crimes even if occurring mostly in this one state and many other federal crimes by different groups occurred across the country, even if these people are the focus of this news piece. As a logical consequence that means that federal agents are the ones who do the charges and investigations, or at least mostly so. Additionally, these crimes began during the pandemic in 2020 when Trump was President and what did they take advantage of in order to commit their fraud? It was regulatory waivers by the federal Dept of Agriculture that created gaps and opportunity to commit these fraudulent acts in that was in 2020, i.e. when Trump was President. While Trump has been very much in favor of destroying regulatory red tape, I won't blame him 100% for this since during the pandemic there was a bipartisan effort to streamline things. However, the fraud did begin on his watch or at least no one is focusing on that and a completely different narrative could be constructed by focusing on Trump's involvement here. Lastly, the observations about the fraud began in 2021 after Biden became President and this is when competent federal agents began investigating. In other words, we could say that the Biden administration began looking at data in April 2021 and this increased suspicion escalated and transformed into investigative work to finally search warrants based on probable cause in January 2022. Note that we're still discussing federal work on the fraud and the state of Minnesota was not playing a role because these were not state crimes.

The above is one example of the different perpetrators and schemes, crimes. All do not fit the same timeline or route to commit federal offenses.

Here is more data on this example and the timeline from a government DoJ website:
The Federal Child Nutrition Program and Feeding Our Future Fraud Scheme

As set forth in the information, Hassan and others devised and carried out a scheme to defraud the Summer Food Service Program and Child and Adult Care Food Program (together, the “Federal Child Nutrition Program”), a program designed to provide meals to hungry children. MDE administers the Federal Child Nutrition Program in Minnesota.

Beginning in April 2020, Aimee Bock, the founder and executive director of Feeding Our Future, oversaw a massive scheme to defraud the Federal Child Nutrition Program carried out by sites under the sponsorship of Feeding Our Future. Bock and Feeding Our Future sponsored entities that submitted fraudulent reimbursement claims and fake documentation while purporting to serve hundreds and, in many instances, thousands of children per day. Bock and her company sponsored the opening of nearly 200 Federal Child Nutrition Program sites despite knowing that the sites intended to and did submit fraudulent claims.

While using Smart Therapy to defraud the EIDBI autism program, Hassan also used Smart Therapy to engage in the Feeding Our Future fraud scheme to defraud the Federal Child Nutrition Program. Hassan enrolled Smart Therapy in the Federal Child Nutrition Program under the sponsorship of Feeding Our Future in July 2020.

Shortly after enrolling in the program, Hassan began submitting fraudulent claims to Feeding Our Future. Hassan fraudulently claimed that Smart Therapy was serving breakfast and lunch to exactly 300 children a day, 7 days per week. Hassan prepared and submitted fraudulent meal counts, attendance rosters, and invoices in support of the fraudulent claims. Hassan submitted fraudulent invoices purporting to show that a food vendor company called S & S Catering provided meals to be served at the Smart Therapy site. By April 2021, Hassan claimed to be serving approximately 1,200 meals per day to children, 7 days per week, at Smart Therapy.

Between 2020 and 2021, Hassan claimed to have served nearly 200,000 meals to children at the Smart Therapy site, for which she claimed to be entitled to approximately $465,000 in Federal Child Nutrition Program funds.

“Abusing publicly funded health care programs for personal profit is an act of duplicity, greed, and a betrayal of the most vulnerable in our community,” said Special Agent in Charge Alvin M. Winston Sr. of FBI Minneapolis. “The alleged fraud by Hassan resulted in the theft of millions of dollars intended to serve and support children in need. The FBI and our partners will not stop pursuing those who unscrupulously exploit government programs. We will secure justice for the taxpayers of Minnesota.”

This case is the result of an investigation conducted by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Health and Human Services – Office of Inspector General, the Internal Revenue Service – Criminal Investigation, and the United States Postal Inspection Service.

Acting U.S. Attorney Joseph H. Thompson and Assistant U.S. Attorneys Rebecca E. Kline, Harry M. Jacobs, and Daniel W. Bobier are prosecuting the case.

An information is merely an allegation, and the defendant is presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law.
Updated September 24, 2025
Did she overstate the numbers or was she serving meals to no one? Claiming she was entitled to $465,000 makes it sound like that is the amount of 'fraud' when in fact, she may have been entitled to $460,000 and overstated $5,000. The article is misleading.
 
Autism therapy fraud is a thing that is going on in multiple states right now. It spans from diagnoses and treatment for non-existent people, to fraudulent diagnoses for non-autistic people, to billing for hours of therapy not actually delivered, to charging one-on-one therapies that are actually group settings, to billing for a clinical specialist's time when it was actually more like babysitting provided by a high school graduate who had a week of training to supervise a young child.
If defrauding a public health care program is a big issue, why is Rick Scott a senator? He defrauded Medicare MILLIONS.
 
Autism therapy fraud is a thing that is going on in multiple states right now. It spans from diagnoses and treatment for non-existent people, to fraudulent diagnoses for non-autistic people, to billing for hours of therapy not actually delivered, to charging one-on-one therapies that are actually group settings, to billing for a clinical specialist's time when it was actually more like babysitting provided by a high school graduate who had a week of training to supervise a young child.
If defrauding a public health care program is a big issue, why is Rick Scott a senator? He defrauded Medicare MILLIONS.
Because people are dumb. What do you think your point is here?
 
You made unsupported claims about Somalis being “unassimilated.
First gen large scale immigrants rarely assimilate. Especially when the modern practice is to promote multiculturalism, which slows or halts assimilation.

It's not a hard rule, of course, but generally speaking, the initial adult immigrants don't assimilate very well. The children born of adult immigrants in the country of immigration overcorrect - they tend to reject their cultural heritage and adopt the new culture, sometimes in an almost caricatured fashion. The third generation (second gen born in country) tend to be well-assimilated, meaning that they actually acculturate to the new country but also retain some appreciation and respect for their heritage. That's where the melting occurs.

There's a significant amount of variation, of course. People immigrating from similar cultures assimilate very quickly; people from very different cultural backgrounds assimilate more slowly. Voluntary immigrants assimilate faster than refugees and asylum seekers. Immigrants who are geographically concentrated assimilate more slowly.

In the case of Somalis in Minnesota, you've got a large number of recent refugees who are geographically concentrated, and who come from a very different culture with significant differences in beliefs and values. In another 30 years they'll probably be assimilated, assuming we avoid balkanization.
IMO, without a definition that translates into observable assessment, your analysis isn’t very helpful to me.
It's funny how selective people are about sociology. If it supports whatever point they're trying to make, it magically becomes science, and often gets treated as if it's hard science. If it doesn't support whatever point they're trying to make, they just hand-wave it away.

The process of assimilation into a host culture isn't exactly a mysterious and new-fangles experiment with no observations behind it. But whatever. Apparently noting that a geographically concentrated group of refugee immigrants from an extremely different cultural background with a very different values and beliefs hasn't yet assimilated into US culture is a horrific insult that wounds you to your very core. :rolleyes:
Instead of making excuses and insults, why not give a rational explanation for the basis of your conclusion other than “cuz I say so”. It ought to be easy since it is not a mysterious and new-fangled experiment.
 
You made unsupported claims about Somalis being “unassimilated.
First gen large scale immigrants rarely assimilate. Especially when the modern practice is to promote multiculturalism, which slows or halts assimilation.

It's not a hard rule, of course, but generally speaking, the initial adult immigrants don't assimilate very well. The children born of adult immigrants in the country of immigration overcorrect - they tend to reject their cultural heritage and adopt the new culture, sometimes in an almost caricatured fashion. The third generation (second gen born in country) tend to be well-assimilated, meaning that they actually acculturate to the new country but also retain some appreciation and respect for their heritage. That's where the melting occurs.

There's a significant amount of variation, of course. People immigrating from similar cultures assimilate very quickly; people from very different cultural backgrounds assimilate more slowly. Voluntary immigrants assimilate faster than refugees and asylum seekers. Immigrants who are geographically concentrated assimilate more slowly.

In the case of Somalis in Minnesota, you've got a large number of recent refugees who are geographically concentrated, and who come from a very different culture with significant differences in beliefs and values. In another 30 years they'll probably be assimilated, assuming we avoid balkanization.
IMO, without a definition that translates into observable assessment, your analysis isn’t very helpful to me.
It's funny how selective people are about sociology. If it supports whatever point they're trying to make, it magically becomes science, and often gets treated as if it's hard science. If it doesn't support whatever point they're trying to make, they just hand-wave it away.

The process of assimilation into a host culture isn't exactly a mysterious and new-fangles experiment with no observations behind it. But whatever. Apparently noting that a geographically concentrated group of refugee immigrants from an extremely different cultural background with a very different values and beliefs hasn't yet assimilated into US culture is a horrific insult that wounds you to your very core. :rolleyes:
Instead of making excuses and insults, why not give a rational explanation for the basis of your conclusion other than “cuz I say so”. It ought to be easy since it is not a mysterious and new-fangled experiment.
A whole lot of work with demographics and marketing, with a lot of consideration for degree of assimilation and how that plays into how you design products and frame messaging over the course of many years...

You could just go do some basic research on cultural assimilation in immigrants over the course of generations. Or you can just decide to dismiss what I've said without bothering to give it any consideration or thought. Your choice.
 
You made unsupported claims about Somalis being “unassimilated.
First gen large scale immigrants rarely assimilate. Especially when the modern practice is to promote multiculturalism, which slows or halts assimilation.

It's not a hard rule, of course, but generally speaking, the initial adult immigrants don't assimilate very well. The children born of adult immigrants in the country of immigration overcorrect - they tend to reject their cultural heritage and adopt the new culture, sometimes in an almost caricatured fashion. The third generation (second gen born in country) tend to be well-assimilated, meaning that they actually acculturate to the new country but also retain some appreciation and respect for their heritage. That's where the melting occurs.

There's a significant amount of variation, of course. People immigrating from similar cultures assimilate very quickly; people from very different cultural backgrounds assimilate more slowly. Voluntary immigrants assimilate faster than refugees and asylum seekers. Immigrants who are geographically concentrated assimilate more slowly.

In the case of Somalis in Minnesota, you've got a large number of recent refugees who are geographically concentrated, and who come from a very different culture with significant differences in beliefs and values. In another 30 years they'll probably be assimilated, assuming we avoid balkanization.
IMO, without a definition that translates into observable assessment, your analysis isn’t very helpful to me.
It's funny how selective people are about sociology. If it supports whatever point they're trying to make, it magically becomes science, and often gets treated as if it's hard science. If it doesn't support whatever point they're trying to make, they just hand-wave it away.

The process of assimilation into a host culture isn't exactly a mysterious and new-fangles experiment with no observations behind it. But whatever. Apparently noting that a geographically concentrated group of refugee immigrants from an extremely different cultural background with a very different values and beliefs hasn't yet assimilated into US culture is a horrific insult that wounds you to your very core. :rolleyes:
Instead of making excuses and insults, why not give a rational explanation for the basis of your conclusion other than “cuz I say so”. It ought to be easy since it is not a mysterious and new-fangled experiment.
A whole lot of work with demographics and marketing, with a lot of consideration for degree of assimilation and how that plays into how you design products and frame messaging over the course of many years...

You could just go do some basic research on cultural assimilation in immigrants over the course of generations. Or you can just decide to dismiss what I've said without bothering to give it any consideration or thought. Your choice.
You haven’t explained the basis for your claim that they have not assimilated or what you even mean by “assimilated “. Basic research on cultural assimilation shows that “assimilation” is a continuum. Until you are clear about what you mean, there is nothing you’ve said to dismiss.
 
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Autism therapy fraud is a thing that is going on in multiple states right now. It spans from diagnoses and treatment for non-existent people, to fraudulent diagnoses for non-autistic people, to billing for hours of therapy not actually delivered, to charging one-on-one therapies that are actually group settings, to billing for a clinical specialist's time when it was actually more like babysitting provided by a high school graduate who had a week of training to supervise a young child.
If defrauding a public health care program is a big issue, why is Rick Scott a senator? He defrauded Medicare MILLIONS.
Because people are dumb. What do you think your point is here?
That some people are inconsistent, perhaps to the point of hypocrisy. I’m specifically thinking of Trump and his surrogates. Tim Walz ran against Trump as the VP in the opposing party ticket. Furthermore, Walz repeatedly referred to Trump as ‘weird’ which was awfully mild. I thought he should have called him a convicted criminal, credibly accused rapist, adjudicated rapist Abd almost certainly a pedophile, in addition to being a traitor and an insurrectionist. That would have been more honest. He’s also a blatant racist and sexist, as are many of his supporters. Trump is well known to hold grudges and engage in vendetta against those he feels slighted him. Trump’s persecution of Minnesota, California and Washington state is personal and also red meat to his fan base.
 
Has this fraud actuallybeen proven?
Good question. With some federally funded food programs, there is proof and convictions. That is not true with the child care fraud allegations.
Actually there is evidence that the ‘evidence’ was collected after hours when no children would have been present.
 
You made unsupported claims about Somalis being “unassimilated.
First gen large scale immigrants rarely assimilate. Especially when the modern practice is to promote multiculturalism, which slows or halts assimilation.

It's not a hard rule, of course, but generally speaking, the initial adult immigrants don't assimilate very well. The children born of adult immigrants in the country of immigration overcorrect - they tend to reject their cultural heritage and adopt the new culture, sometimes in an almost caricatured fashion. The third generation (second gen born in country) tend to be well-assimilated, meaning that they actually acculturate to the new country but also retain some appreciation and respect for their heritage. That's where the melting occurs.

There's a significant amount of variation, of course. People immigrating from similar cultures assimilate very quickly; people from very different cultural backgrounds assimilate more slowly. Voluntary immigrants assimilate faster than refugees and asylum seekers. Immigrants who are geographically concentrated assimilate more slowly.

In the case of Somalis in Minnesota, you've got a large number of recent refugees who are geographically concentrated, and who come from a very different culture with significant differences in beliefs and values. In another 30 years they'll probably be assimilated, assuming we avoid balkanization.
IMO, without a definition that translates into observable assessment, your analysis isn’t very helpful to me.
It's funny how selective people are about sociology. If it supports whatever point they're trying to make, it magically becomes science, and often gets treated as if it's hard science. If it doesn't support whatever point they're trying to make, they just hand-wave it away.

The process of assimilation into a host culture isn't exactly a mysterious and new-fangles experiment with no observations behind it. But whatever. Apparently noting that a geographically concentrated group of refugee immigrants from an extremely different cultural background with a very different values and beliefs hasn't yet assimilated into US culture is a horrific insult that wounds you to your very core. :rolleyes:
Instead of making excuses and insults, why not give a rational explanation for the basis of your conclusion other than “cuz I say so”. It ought to be easy since it is not a mysterious and new-fangled experiment.
A whole lot of work with demographics and marketing, with a lot of consideration for degree of assimilation and how that plays into how you design products and frame messaging over the course of many years...

You could just go do some basic research on cultural assimilation in immigrants over the course of generations. Or you can just decide to dismiss what I've said without bothering to give it any consideration or thought. Your choice.
You haven’t explained the basis for your claim that they have not assimilated or what you even mean by “assimilated “. Basic research on cultural assimilation shows that “assimilation” is a continuum. Until you are clear about what you mean, there is nothing you’ve said to dismiss.
I think they mean that the Somalis are still black and largely Muslim.
 
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