Merged Gaza just launched an unprovoked attack on Israel

[Loren Pechtel]

Are all government workers, from janitors to police, in Gaza "Hamas" in the Israeli government mind?

And what suggests this?

BTW, the Gaza Ministry of Health death toll lines up pretty well with Israel's numbers for civilian deaths in Gaza. And the Hamas numbers line up pretty well with the Ministry of Health plus the number of combatants that Israel claims to have killed. When both sides have approximately the same numbers they're probably right. (But note that the Ministry of Health numbers will include civilians that died from Hamas actions. I'm not aware of any accounting of how many of these there are.)

 

[laughing dog]

But as long as the Palestinians don't want to get rid of leadership like Hamas, enough to get it done, the best bet Israel has is destroying the ability to launch military attacks like Oct 7.

What on earth makes you think “the Palestinians “ don’t want to get rid of leadership like Hamas?

The fact that they continue to support them.

There is no real evidence of any actual meaningful support.

 

[laughing dog]

It is telling that the idea he is also concerned about the humanitarian crisis is absent from your complaints.

There is a lot of short-term thinking re the humanitarian crisis. The quicker IDF is allowed into Rafah, the quicker the war will end, with all the suffering that comes from war.

. There is a lot of unrealistic jingoism in your response. There is no defeating Hamas - the survivors will regroup and easily recruit more willingly fighters. This massacre postpones the next terrorist attack. It does not deter anything. It simply makes the recruitment of more terrorists easier.

But recruiting isn't the limiting factor.

The suffering from war does not end when the war ends. It endures. It should be apparent to anyone who pays the least bit of attention to history in that area of the world that forgiveness is a rare commodity. The ability and willingness to forgive by all sides is the key to real peace.

That doesn't mean you get to handwave the lack of better options.

The irony is strong here.

You babbled in response to the question about collateral damage. If you do not permit collateral damage the bad guys always win because they ensure that they can't be defeated without causing collateral damage. Just because this is blasphemy doesn't make it not true.

Once again, you are babbling up straw men. Collateral damage is one thing and the scale of it is another.

 

[TomC]

Collateral damage is one thing and the scale of it is another.

The collateral damage is result of Gazan terrorists's attack on Israel. The scale is a result of Hamas' tactics of using their own people as human shields.
Tom

 

[GenesisNemesis]

It's not "unprovoked", also, both sides in this conflict are shit and anyone who thinks otherwise is a naive idiot.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

It is telling that the idea he is also concerned about the humanitarian crisis is absent from your complaints.

There is a lot of short-term thinking re the humanitarian crisis. The quicker IDF is allowed into Rafah, the quicker the war will end, with all the suffering that comes from war.

. There is a lot of unrealistic jingoism in your response. There is no defeating Hamas - the survivors will regroup and easily recruit more willingly fighters. This massacre postpones the next terrorist attack. It does not deter anything. It simply makes the recruitment of more terrorists easier.

But recruiting isn't the limiting factor.

The suffering from war does not end when the war ends. It endures. It should be apparent to anyone who pays the least bit of attention to history in that area of the world that forgiveness is a rare commodity. The ability and willingness to forgive by all sides is the key to real peace.

That doesn't mean you get to handwave the lack of better options.

The irony is strong here.

The unwillingness to actually address the issue is strong here.

You babbled in response to the question about collateral damage. If you do not permit collateral damage the bad guys always win because they ensure that they can't be defeated without causing collateral damage. Just because this is blasphemy doesn't make it not true.

Once again, you are babbling up straw men. Collateral damage is one thing and the scale of it is another.

You already showed your position, there's no straw man involved. But once again you claim "babbling" because you don't want to admit that there is no good answer.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

It's not "unprovoked", also, both sides in this conflict are shit and anyone who thinks otherwise is a naive idiot.

What did Israel do to Hamas leading up to it?

 

[GenesisNemesis]

It's not "unprovoked", also, both sides in this conflict are shit and anyone who thinks otherwise is a naive idiot.

What did Israel do to Hamas leading up to it?

It's not about what they did to Hamas.

 

[steve_bank]

Here we go folks, Iranian drones are reported on the way to Israel as retaliation for attacking a diplomatic mission in Syria killing officers.

Netanyahu has long wanted the US to attack Iran, and now Iran may give Biden the excuse. We have no defense treaty with Israel yet Biden will undoubtedly use force without congregational authorization.

Vietnam and the Tonkin Gulf all over again, we may slip unto another unwinnable never ending conflict.

Iran can disrupt Saudi oil and shipping in the straights.

Someone coined the term 'genocide Joe'. Feckless Joe keeps scolding Israel who could give a shit what he Joe says, and Joe keeps chanting unwavering support for Israel, we 'got your back' is his go to soundbite.

We did not learn from Afghanistan and Iraq. Our overwhelming military superiority did not lead to any good outcomes for us.W are still playing whack-a-mole in the region.

An Iranian immigrant I knew told me if the US attacked Iran it would galvanize the Iranian people against us.

 

[steve_bank]

Israel won a propaganda war with our politicians and the people, but is eroding a bit now. All Paesinins are terrorists. Israel is a blameless victim, ignore those Jewish conies in the Wes Bank.

Some of the Israeli propaganda a[ring on TV over here is nauseating.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Israel won a propaganda war with our politicians and the people, but is eroding a bit now. All Paesinins are terrorists. Israel is a blameless victim, ignore those Jewish conies in the Wes Bank.

Some of the Israeli propaganda a[ring on TV over here is nauseating.

Same with the Hamas propaganda.

 

[laughing dog]

Collateral damage is one thing and the scale of it is another.

The collateral damage is result of Gazan terrorists's attack on Israel. The scale is a result of Hamas' tactics of using their own people as human shields.
Tom

Thank you for the non-responsive propaganda.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

It's almost like both sides are retaliating against each other because both sides are doing shit to each other.

GAAAAASP

 

[robnisch]

I hope that Israel shows some restraint here. They can take out any drone that comes close. Show Iran how lame it is. Tit for Tat will be endless.

 

[laughing dog]

It is telling that the idea he is also concerned about the humanitarian crisis is absent from your complaints.

There is a lot of short-term thinking re the humanitarian crisis. The quicker IDF is allowed into Rafah, the quicker the war will end, with all the suffering that comes from war.

. There is a lot of unrealistic jingoism in your response. There is no defeating Hamas - the survivors will regroup and easily recruit more willingly fighters. This massacre postpones the next terrorist attack. It does not deter anything. It simply makes the recruitment of more terrorists easier.

But recruiting isn't the limiting factor.

The suffering from war does not end when the war ends. It endures. It should be apparent to anyone who pays the least bit of attention to history in that area of the world that forgiveness is a rare commodity. The ability and willingness to forgive by all sides is the key to real peace.

That doesn't mean you get to handwave the lack of better options.

The irony is strong here.

The unwillingness to actually address the issue is strong here.

You babbled in response to the question about collateral damage. If you do not permit collateral damage the bad guys always win because they ensure that they can't be defeated without causing collateral damage. Just because this is blasphemy doesn't make it not true.

Once again, you are babbling up straw men. Collateral damage is one thing and the scale of it is another.

You already showed your position, there's no straw man involved. But once again you claim "babbling" because you don't want to admit that there is no good answer.

WTF are you babbling about now? Of course there is no good answer. Just because I don’t swallow your bigoted paranoid propaganda doesn’t mean I think there us a good answer .

 

[TomC]

Collateral damage is one thing and the scale of it is another.

The collateral damage is result of Gazan terrorists's attack on Israel. The scale is a result of Hamas' tactics of using their own people as human shields.
Tom

Thank you for the non-responsive propaganda.

You're welcome for a reply you seem unable to respond to in a coherent fashion.
Let's start with "Would the disaster in Gaza be happening if it weren't for the event on October 7, 2023?"
It's a Yes or No question.
Tom

 

[bilby]

Let's start with "Would the disaster in Gaza be happening if it weren't for the event on October 7, 2023?"

Maybe.

It's a Yes or No question.

No, it isn't.

There are very few "Yes or No" questions, particularly in international diplomatic relations; But there are huge numbers of interested parties on all sides who seek to gain the high ground with the simpletons by pretending that such questions exist.

Simpletons gonna try to simplify.

But reality is complex. So doing so is almost invariably stupid and wrong.

Are you really that naïve? (It's a Yes or No question).

 

[TomC]

Maybe.

Bullshit.
The disaster in Gaza right now is because Hamas lead Gazans forced Israel into battle on October 7 2023. There's no maybe about it.

But reality is complex. So doing so is almost invariably stupid and wrong.

Which is why simple answers like "Israel needs to change." are so ridiculous to me. Palestinians need to change, then Israelis will. Until then, Israeli Zionists not only won't they will harden.

Are you really that naïve? (It's a Yes or No question).

I'm not so naive I blame the victims for the crimes. Which, at the moment, is Israel. Not always, but usually. And certainly now.

Tom

 

[bilby]

Maybe.

Bullshit.
The disaster in Gaza right now is because Hamas lead Gazans forced Israel into battle on October 7 2023. There's no maybe about it.

Really? You think Bibi wouldn't have found another pretext? That's seriously naïve right there.

But reality is complex. So doing so is almost invariably stupid and wrong.

Which is why simple answers like "Israel needs to change." are so ridiculous to me.

Not as ridiculous as "Israel doesn't need to change" though. Clearly every player in the Middle East needs to change.

Palestinians need to change, then Israelis will. Until then, Israeli Zionists not only won't they will harden.

Sure. And equally, Israelis need to change, then Palestinians will. Until then, Palestinian terrorists not only won't they will harden.

So, somebody needs to go first. And Israel is in the position of greatest power, freedom, and ability in this respect. So why would they not be first to change?

Are you really that naïve? (It's a Yes or No question).

I'm not so naive I blame the victims for the crimes. Which, at the moment, is Israel. Not always, but usually. And certainly now.

Tom

So, it turns out that it isn't a Yes or No question, then. Funny, that.

 

[Derec]

Israel won a propaganda war with our politicians and the people, but is eroding a bit now.

The propaganda is by Hamas and Iran and you are falling for it.

All Paesinins are terrorists.

They are not all terrorists, but a big majority supports terrorism.
Poll shows Palestinians back Oct. 7 attack on Israel, support for Hamas rises

Seventy-two percent of respondents said they believed the Hamas decision to launch the cross-border rampage in southern Israel was "correct" given its outcome so far, while 22% said it was "incorrect". The remainder were undecided or gave no answer.

Israel is a blameless victim, ignore those Jewish conies in the Wes Bank.

Conies?