Merged Gaza just launched an unprovoked attack on Israel

[scombrid]

You don't have to pick a team. You can support Israel in its fight against Hamas, and still think Netanyahu is a cunt. Which I do.

But don't criticize Israel's tactics against the non-Hamas Palestinians or you are a Hamas supporter. That's a narrow fence to tippy toe on.

In this thread I have seen zero nuance from the posters criticising Israel.

Willful blindness is not a medical condition.

I'd go further and say that, of what I can tell, most, (if not all) have just been signal boosting western leftist arguments, that in turn come straight from the Hamas propaganda department.

Yeah, like the United Nations, Amnesty International, Doctors Without Borders, etc. Straight from Hamas.

Its not like conservative news sources are much better

There's a vacuum of accurate information in western press. In this conflict you got to make some effort to inform yourself

Besides your hind quarters, what sources do you use?

Yeah when the Doctors Without Borders come back and share what they’ve seen they are definitely shilling for Hamas; especially the conservative Christian ones from Appalachia.

 

[scombrid]

Here's a good one




I can recommend looking up the guy. He's not just a guy. He’s a Gazan journalist who got exciled from Gaza for criticising Hamas.

Here's the thing, he's also critical of Israel. But sensible critique. Because he knows what he's talking about

I'm so sick of the black and white partisan nonsense in this thread.

You don't have to pick a team. You can support Israel in its fight against Hamas, and still think Netanyahu is a cunt. Which I do.

You can support USA's bombing of Iran, and still think Trump is a cunt. Which I also do.

Look at him pretending to care about someone caught between Hamas and Israel. Isn’t that sweet.

 

[ZiprHead]

Here's a good one




I can recommend looking up the guy. He's not just a guy. He’s a Gazan journalist who got exciled from Gaza for criticising Hamas.

Here's the thing, he's also critical of Israel. But sensible critique. Because he knows what he's talking about

I'm so sick of the black and white partisan nonsense in this thread.

You don't have to pick a team. You can support Israel in its fight against Hamas, and still think Netanyahu is a cunt. Which I do.

You can support USA's bombing of Iran, and still think Trump is a cunt. Which I also do.

Look at him pretending to care about someone caught between Hamas and Israel. Isn’t that sweet.

Sorry. I disagree. Hamas makes Gazans victims too.

Which lead me to repeat the qustion I've already asked but not ever gotten a serious answer to: If that were so then why do you insist on keeping Gazan civilians locked up with the violent terrorists to use as human shields? ETA: And examples of what happens to dissidents.?

 

[DrZoidberg]

Here's a good one




I can recommend looking up the guy. He's not just a guy. He’s a Gazan journalist who got exciled from Gaza for criticising Hamas.

Here's the thing, he's also critical of Israel. But sensible critique. Because he knows what he's talking about

I'm so sick of the black and white partisan nonsense in this thread.

You don't have to pick a team. You can support Israel in its fight against Hamas, and still think Netanyahu is a cunt. Which I do.

You can support USA's bombing of Iran, and still think Trump is a cunt. Which I also do.

Look at him pretending to care about someone caught between Hamas and Israel. Isn’t that sweet.

Sorry. I disagree. Hamas makes Gazans victims too.

I don't disagree. But being a victim is not a free pass to behave badly. I'd argue that Palestinians have a victimhood cult going that makes them feel any violent behaviour is justified, and makes them easy prey for terrible leaders. That culture is not the fault of Hamas. Nor Israel. Nor is it Issraels responsibility to fix.

Which lead me to repeat the qustion I've already asked but not ever gotten a serious answer to: If that were so then why do you insist on keeping Gazan civilians locked up with the violent terrorists to use as human shields? ETA: And examples of what happens to dissidents.?

I don't understand what you are talking about. I can guess. But it's better if you explain what you mean

 

[DrZoidberg]

You don't have to pick a team. You can support Israel in its fight against Hamas, and still think Netanyahu is a cunt. Which I do.

But don't criticize Israel's tactics against the non-Hamas Palestinians or you are a Hamas supporter. That's a narrow fence to tippy toe on.

In this thread I have seen zero nuance from the posters criticising Israel.

Willful blindness is not a medical condition.

I'd go further and say that, of what I can tell, most, (if not all) have just been signal boosting western leftist arguments, that in turn come straight from the Hamas propaganda department.

Yeah, like the United Nations, Amnesty International, Doctors Without Borders, etc. Straight from Hamas.

Its not like conservative news sources are much better

There's a vacuum of accurate information in western press. In this conflict you got to make some effort to inform yourself

Besides your hind quarters, what sources do you use?

Yeah when the Doctors Without Borders come back and share what they’ve seen they are definitely shilling for Hamas; especially the conservative Christian ones from Appalachia.

Is it because these organisations have a clear and simple mission statement and don’t get involved in politics?

 

[ZiprHead]

Which lead me to repeat the qustion I've already asked but not ever gotten a serious answer to: If that were so then why do you insist on keeping Gazan civilians locked up with the violent terrorists to use as human shields? ETA: And examples of what happens to dissidents.?

I don't understand what you are talking about. I can guess. But it's better if you explain what you mean

Pretty simple really. You and your ilk keep complaining Hamas et al use Gazans as human shields. What do you expect to happen when you support them all being locked up together in a tiny area with one of the highest population densities in the world? Let the innocent Gazans go free to Israel proper. Then no more human shields.

 

[ZiprHead]

I don't disagree. But being a victim is not a free pass to behave badly. I'd argue that Palestinians have a victimhood cult going that makes them feel any violent behaviour is justified, and makes them easy prey for terrible leaders. That culture is not the fault of Hamas. Nor Israel. Nor is it Issraels responsibility to fix.

Who's fault is it?

Do you think tens of thousand of innocent people being locked into an open air prison would not cause anger?

 

[DrZoidberg]

I don't disagree. But being a victim is not a free pass to behave badly. I'd argue that Palestinians have a victimhood cult going that makes them feel any violent behaviour is justified, and makes them easy prey for terrible leaders. That culture is not the fault of Hamas. Nor Israel. Nor is it Issraels responsibility to fix.

Who's fault is it?

I think that's a childish question to ask. Nobody else can be held responsible for your behaviour. No matter what they did or how they treated you. That's not how the world works. There's never a good excuse to have a carte blanche to mistreat others.

Do you think tens of thousand of innocent people being locked into an open air prison would not cause anger?

What do you mean by a open air prison?

 

[scombrid]

A child with a shot to the head and two to the center of mass wasn't shielding anything. But apparently that is justified violent behavior by the Israelis. Any violent behavior is justified if you are on the right team apparently.

 

[pood]

What do you mean by a open air prison?

 

[Elixir]

So you voted for Trump, knowing full well that he was a serial liar, and you are surprised he lied again?

Yup, that’s about it.
It’s why I call them TrumpSUCKERS.
These are grown-ass humans who are unable to tell when a low IQ huckster is trying to pull wool over their eyes.
And they vote, so here we are.

 

[ZiprHead]

I don't disagree. But being a victim is not a free pass to behave badly. I'd argue that Palestinians have a victimhood cult going that makes them feel any violent behaviour is justified, and makes them easy prey for terrible leaders. That culture is not the fault of Hamas. Nor Israel. Nor is it Issraels responsibility to fix.

Who's fault is it?

I think that's a childish question to ask. Nobody else can be held responsible for your behaviour. No matter what they did or how they treated you. That's not how the world works. There's never a good excuse to have a carte blanche to mistreat others.

I think it's idiocy to think that a people who are treated so unfairly and viciously aren't entitled to be angry and that being angry is a genetic character flaw.

Do you think tens of thousand of innocent people being locked into an open air prison would not cause anger?

What do you mean by a open air prison?

Please stop acting stupid.

 

[pood]

What do you mean by a open air prison?

Please stop acting stupid.

Amazing, isn’t it? Who the fuck doesn’t know that Israel has kept Gaza as an open-air prison for years? What’s actually happening is that someone is pretending not to know that.

 

[laughing dog]

I don't disagree. But being a victim is not a free pass to behave badly. I'd argue that Palestinians have a victimhood cult going that makes them feel any violent behaviour is justified, and makes them easy prey for terrible leaders. That culture is not the fault of Hamas. Nor Israel. Nor is it Issraels responsibility to fix.

Who's fault is it?

I think that's a childish question to ask. Nobody else can be held responsible for your behaviour. No matter what they did or how they treated you. That's not how the world works. There's never a good excuse to have a carte blanche to mistreat others.

That is a master stoke of irony.

What do you mean by a open air prison?

seanie, is that you?

 

[pood]

Gaza: Israel’s Open-Air Prison at 15.

Note that this was written in 2022, before Israel turned Gaza from an open-air prison into a slaughter house.

 

[scombrid]

There's never a good excuse to have a carte blanche to mistreat others.

Unless you are Israel.

Or maybe unless you are the GOP cleansing us of the immigrants.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Gaza: Israel’s Open-Air Prison at 15.

Note that this was written in 2022, before Israel turned Gaza from an open-air prison into a slaughter house.

That was in response to continuous terror attacks coming from Gaza. Maybe Hamas should have thought about that before making Palestinians go boom in Israel.

Egypt is a Muslim country with strong incentives to help the Gazans. Yet closed the border. I wonder why?

It must really suck living in Gaza and wanting peace. Too bad there's so few of them.

 

[DrZoidberg]

There's never a good excuse to have a carte blanche to mistreat others.

Unless you are Israel.

Or maybe unless you are the GOP cleansing us of the immigrants.

The 7/10 attack proved that Israel can't have Gaza run by Hamas. Now they're doing what is necessary to get rid of Hamas.

That's a defensive response to Gazan aggression. The extreme brutality of the attack justifies the response.

That's not the same thing as playing the victim and using ones victimhood to not take responsibility for ones actions.

Considering Jewish history its remarkable how they have avoided to play the victim game. I assume that the Jews, at some point in history, learned that it's a waste of effort.

 

[ZiprHead]

There's never a good excuse to have a carte blanche to mistreat others.

Unless you are Israel.

Or maybe unless you are the GOP cleansing us of the immigrants.

The 7/10 attack proved that Israel can't have Gaza run by Hamas. Now they're doing what is necessary to get rid of Hamas.

That's a defensive response to Gazan aggression. The extreme brutality of the attack justifies the response.

That's not the same thing as playing the victim and using ones victimhood to not take responsibility for ones actions.

Considering Jewish history its remarkable how they have avoided to play the victim game. I assume that the Jews, at some point in history, learned that it's a waste of effort.

Nothing justifies deliberate cruelty.

 

[scombrid]

He wrote that in one post the then spent a few more justifying total cruelty. And he pretends that Egypt won’t take Gazans because Gazans: that it has nothing to do with Israel controlling the border or Egypt fearing the repercussions from the US and Israel if they are too nice to Palestinians. And ignoring the fact the he and others generally state that no country should be obligated to take in refugees of any sort because they are too expensive.

Talking out of both sides of the mouth is what we call that around here.