Merged Gaza just launched an unprovoked attack on Israel

[DrZoidberg]

There's never a good excuse to have a carte blanche to mistreat others.

Unless you are Israel.

Or maybe unless you are the GOP cleansing us of the immigrants.

The 7/10 attack proved that Israel can't have Gaza run by Hamas. Now they're doing what is necessary to get rid of Hamas.

That's a defensive response to Gazan aggression. The extreme brutality of the attack justifies the response.

That's not the same thing as playing the victim and using ones victimhood to not take responsibility for ones actions.

Considering Jewish history its remarkable how they have avoided to play the victim game. I assume that the Jews, at some point in history, learned that it's a waste of effort.

Nothing justifies deliberate cruelty.

Its not. Its doing what is necessary. Clearly. They haven't gotten all the hostages back and Hamas is still fighting. Backing off is not a viable option for Israel. Or the 7/10 attack will just be repeated.

The destruction of Gaza is the result of Hamas strategy of embedding the military in and under civilian targets. The cruelty you see is the result of that strategy,. Your anger isn't directed towards Hamas. Not Israel

 

[DrZoidberg]

He wrote that in one post the then spent a few more justifying total cruelty. And he pretends that Egypt won’t take Gazans because Gazans: that it has nothing to do with Israel controlling the border or Egypt fearing the repercussions from the US and Israel if they are too nice to Palestinians. And ignoring the fact the he and others generally state that no country should be obligated to take in refugees of any sort because they are too expensive.

Talking out of both sides of the mouth is what we call that around here.

Egypt has nothing to fear from USA or Israel if they are nice to the Gazans. That just conspiracy theory nonsense

 

[Arctish]

For those who are interested in history and keeping their facts straight:

The Long, Bloody History of the Israel-Gaza "Border"

Israel has been enforcing the 'containment' of Palestinian refugees in Gaza since its founding in the 1940s. It has been building and rebuilding a separation barrier since 1971.

Saying the barriers were built in response to suicide bombings is just plain ignorant. Those attacks happened more than 20 years after the first 60 km of fencing went up, and more than 40 years after Gazans attempting to return to their former homes or harvest food from their farms were routinely shot.

 

[ZiprHead]

 

[TomC]

UN bigshots reiterate how useless they are.

I started drawing that conclusion a while back. Now you've given solid evidence.
Tom

 

[Arctish]

UN bigshots reiterate how useless they are.

I started drawing that conclusion a while back. Now you've given solid evidence.
Tom

In other words:

UN delegates refuse to go along with whatever Netanyahu wants, therefore they are useless.

 

[TomC]

UN bigshots reiterate how useless they are.

I started drawing that conclusion a while back. Now you've given solid evidence.
Tom

In other words:

UN delegates refuse to go along with whatever Netanyahu wants, therefore they are useless.

Nope.

The UN does nothing important until they can pretend that Israel is the problem.
Oh well.
Tom

 

[Arctish]

UN bigshots reiterate how useless they are.

I started drawing that conclusion a while back. Now you've given solid evidence.
Tom

In other words:

UN delegates refuse to go along with whatever Netanyahu wants, therefore they are useless.

Nope.

The UN does nothing important until they can pretend that Israel is the problem.
Oh well.
Tom

That's ridiculous.

The UN is the main platform for establishing and enforcing international law. UN peacekeepers are stationed in conflict zones around the world.

The UN runs the World Food Program, providing food to people around the world at risk of malnutrition and starvation.

The UN runs UNICEF, which provides vaccinations, health care, and education to children in multiple countries.

It also arbitrates conflicts. If the delegates backed ethnic cleansing and the expansion of the Jewish State into places where Jews have been a minority for millennia, then Netanyahu (and presumably you) would have a use for them. But since they largely back the Two State plan, then they are useless for Zionist purposes.

 

[DrZoidberg]

UN bigshots reiterate how useless they are.

I started drawing that conclusion a while back. Now you've given solid evidence.
Tom

The point of the UN is to keep nations ar war talking. For that aim they're doing a smashing job.

People have unrealistic expectations for what the UN is. Its not a bastion of liberal western values and the pursuit of personal freedoms. Not at all.

 

[DrZoidberg]

UN bigshots reiterate how useless they are.

I started drawing that conclusion a while back. Now you've given solid evidence.
Tom

In other words:

UN delegates refuse to go along with whatever Netanyahu wants, therefore they are useless.

Nope.

The UN does nothing important until they can pretend that Israel is the problem.
Oh well.
Tom

The Muslim countries are using Israel as a common enemy to hate on together. To create unity among them. Something the Muslim countries badly need.

Once you see that the you'll realise that the Islamic hate against Israel is mostly just talk. Which is why they suck so much at destroying it.

Its just a shame the the Muslim anti Israeli rhetoric has completely poisoned the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank

 

[DrZoidberg]

Nice finish "be a better Muslim"

 

[Tigers!]

For those who are interested in history and keeping their facts straight:

The Long, Bloody History of the Israel-Gaza "Border"

Israel has been enforcing the 'containment' of Palestinian refugees in Gaza since its founding in the 1940s. It has been building and rebuilding a separation barrier since 1971.

Looking at Wikipedia it says that the barrier was built as a security barrier. Unfortunately the article does not say what security was to be enhanced or whom's.

Saying the barriers were built in response to suicide bombings is just plain ignorant. Those attacks happened more than 20 years after the first 60 km of fencing went up, and more than 40 years after Gazans attempting to return to their former homes or harvest food from their farms were routinely shot.

 

[Arctish]

For those who are interested in history and keeping their facts straight:

The Long, Bloody History of the Israel-Gaza "Border"

Israel has been enforcing the 'containment' of Palestinian refugees in Gaza since its founding in the 1940s. It has been building and rebuilding a separation barrier since 1971.

Looking at Wikipedia it says that the barrier was built as a security barrier. Unfortunately the article does not say what security was to be enhanced or whom's.

Saying the barriers were built in response to suicide bombings is just plain ignorant. Those attacks happened more than 20 years after the first 60 km of fencing went up, and more than 40 years after Gazans attempting to return to their former homes or harvest food from their farms were routinely shot.

If the Gazans had built it, we could reasonably conclude it was there to keep the Israeli soldiers and settlers out. Since it was built by Israel, we can reasonably conclude it was built to keep the Palestinians in.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Another good one



The root cause of the Israel Palestine conflict is that the Palestinian national narrative is nuts. The idea that the Jews are purely foreign occupiers is wrong and stupid. The Intifada isn't an uprising against occupiers. Its just being an asshole to your neighbours

 

[laughing dog]

Another good one



The root cause of the Israel Palestine conflict is that the Palestinian national narrative is nuts. The idea that the Jews are purely foreign occupiers is wrong and stupid. The Intifada isn't an uprising against occupiers. Its just being an asshole to your neighbours

In my view, it is inane to attribute a single cause to a political and social issue.

 

[ZiprHead]

 

[Loren Pechtel]

From your response it appears that you support collective punishment.

From your response it appears that you support violent Muslim terrorists.
Tom

Please make that make logical sense in some way.

Your opposition to Israel defending itself against it. You keep referring to it as "collective punishment", when it's self defense against violent Muslim terrorists prone to using their own people as human shields. That's very very different.
Tom

<Snip> The IDF doesn’t back you on that. They’ve actually acknowledged when they’ve killed civilians by mistake. You don’t see them saying, ‘Well if it weren’t for Hamas, blah blah blah’ they owned it. Maybe you should try keeping up with the people you’re defending.

But so what? When IDF makes statements, we know the context. And so do the Palestinians. If there was a way to defeat Hamas that was less violent, I am sure the IDF would do that. Like they did to neutralise Hezbolah for example.

You didn’t actually respond to what I said. Again.. My point was that the IDF has, at times, taken responsibility for killing civilians without deflecting blame onto Hamas, yet you never do. You keep using Hamas as a catch-all excuse. So again, why are you more defensive than the IDF itself?

You're making an unsupported jump here.

The allegation is "collective punishment". Showing that Israel has made mistakes is not proving that it's punishment, collective or not.

Mistakes happen in war. Israel admits it. (But note that they have a tendency to apologize for anything "wrong" that they can't quickly exclude culpability. Thus do not use an apology as evidence. I'm thinking of an ambulance many years back, hole the roof, claimed to be a missile strike. Israel apologized, but some of us quickly said things don't add up. Yeah, with more scrutiny they clearly simply took an old ambulance that had once had some sort of circular hole (to mount something) in the roof and claimed it was the result of an Israeli strike.) That in no way changes the fact that Hamas intended the devastation and is the one to blame for it.

 

[Harry Bosch]

It appears that a "deal" (hate that word now) is getting closer:

MSN

For the first time Netanyahu is prioritizing getting the hostages back over defeating Hamas. It also appears that Iran's "deal" with Israel may have scared Hamas?

 

[DrZoidberg]

It appears that a "deal" (hate that word now) is getting closer:

MSN

For the first time Netanyahu is prioritizing getting the hostages back over defeating Hamas. It also appears that Iran's "deal" with Israel may have scared Hamas?

Hamas is an Iranian organisation. They take orders from Teheran.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Another good one



The root cause of the Israel Palestine conflict is that the Palestinian national narrative is nuts. The idea that the Jews are purely foreign occupiers is wrong and stupid. The Intifada isn't an uprising against occupiers. Its just being an asshole to your neighbours

In my view, it is inane to attribute a single cause to a political and social issue.

Its also impractical to shoehorn every issue into every video on it