Merged Gaza just launched an unprovoked attack on Israel

[Derec]

How to say, don't take anything I ever say seriously, without saying 'don't take anything I ever say seriously'. The parallels between Pearl Harbor and 10/7 are near non-existent, other than there was an attacker and an attacked. Scope, goals, targets, history. Jesus Fucking Christ what a stupid thing to say.

There are similarities, but also differences. If anything, 10/7 was worse because Japanese did not massacre and kidnap civilians.

And the entire strawman of 'Israel isn't allowed to defend itself then?!' is just as stupid.

It's not a strawman though. Protesters demanding "ceasefire now" literally the day after these attacks shows that they do not think Israel should be able to defend themselves against Palestinian attacks, no matter how brutal.

The issue wasn't self defense, it was the extensive duration,

Two years between the 2023 attacks and the 2025 is not that extensive in duration, and is in fact much shorter than similar US operations, e.g. in Afghanistan.

widespread nature,

Hamas and its allies had a widespread presence in Gaza, which necessitated a widespread response. You attack where the enemy is.

and seemingly inhumane take on it..

In reality it is the Hamas tactics that made this war more inhumane than it needed to be.

and how it wasn't getting the hostages home.

But it did. What would be the alternative? Hamas thought - because of the lopsided exchange rate in the Shalit deal among other things - that hundreds of hostages they took would guarantee them release of all Palestinian terrorists. Without this war, that would be the price they would not have budged from. Furthermore, the ~1200 dead Israelis would also remain unavenged and Hamas would have emerged stronger, both because this victory would be a major propaganda coup but also because they would have increased their ranks by thousands of experienced terrorists.
Instead, many thousands of Hamas leaders and fighters have been killed or maimed, most of their hardware as well as most of their tunnel network has been destroyed, and Israel - while still having to release many terror prisoners - released far fewer than they would have had to without this war.

The proposal of freeing the hostages without taking the war to Hamas and their allies is just not tenable nor feasible. And, remember, this is a war that Hamas and its Gaza allies started. Israel is just faulted for not immediately capitulating, which is insane.

 

[laughing dog]

And you know this because…..?

Because I know a bit about recent history.
It doesn't take a lot.
Tom

Then provide evidence of this knowledge of the instead of waving your hand.

I ask because the most frequent explanation I see here is antisemitism.

 

[Emily Lake]

No need, your post does not address my Israel’s caring about Gazans.

The Israelis have done more to promote peace and prosperity for Palestinians, especially Gazans, than the Palestinians leadership has done for generations!
That's why the violent Islamists have been starting wars against Israel all these decades.
Tom

So violent Islamists have been starting violent wars against Israel because of Israel’s success in promoting peace and prosperity in the West Bank and Gaza?

No. Because “kill the infidel” is a fundamental tenet of their religious belief.

 

[laughing dog]

No need, your post does not address my Israel’s caring about Gazans.

The Israelis have done more to promote peace and prosperity for Palestinians, especially Gazans, than the Palestinians leadership has done for generations!
That's why the violent Islamists have been starting wars against Israel all these decades.
Tom

So violent Islamists have been starting violent wars against Israel because of Israel’s success in promoting peace and prosperity in the West Bank and Gaza?

No. Because “kill the infidel” is a fundamental tenet of their religious belief.

Tell that to TomC, not me.