George Floyd murderer's trial

[LoAmmo]

Every US citizen has to sign up for Jury duty and (to my knowledge) a profile like the one you created on this forum is available for the Courts to select from.

I don't believe the bolded part is true. I'm sure different states/cities/localities form their pools differently, but two VERY common ways to stock the pool are via both driver's license registration and voter registration lists.
(Which, if anything, goes a long way towards explaining any potential bias selecting against black jurists, and resulting in under-representation in jury trials.)
Well...maybe "before the 2020 election," and, "before Georgia."

But if you never register to vote, and don't have a driver's license, your chances of being called for jury duty hover between slim and none.

 

[atrib]

Every US citizen has to sign up for Jury duty and (to my knowledge) a profile like the one you created on this forum is available for the Courts to select from.

Not true in South Carolina - there is no jury registration list. They get your name from the voter registrations.

 

[TomC]

Every US citizen has to sign up for Jury duty and (to my knowledge) a profile like the one you created on this forum is available for the Courts to select from.

Not true in South Carolina - there is no jury registration list. They get your name from the voter registrations.

I'm not sure how it works around here, but I think they draw from the pool of people who are registered to vote and have a driver's license.

I got a summons once. As a sole proprietor who'd just fired my only assistant for theft, I was in a bind. I called and explained my situation to a clerk or something. I not only wouldn't get paid, I'd still be paying rent and everything. She hemmed and hawed a bit.

So I asked her if I could just vote to acquit, right here on the phone, and she could apply my vote to whatever case I was expected to sit.
She thanked me for calling and told me she'd remove me from the list.


I felt bad really. I do think that jury duty is an important duty. But it just wasn't a good time, given my circumstances. It came at about the worst possible time. I'd certainly do it now. Or almost anytime. But not that month.
Tom

 

[Gospel]

Every US citizen has to sign up for Jury duty and (to my knowledge) a profile like the one you created on this forum is available for the Courts to select from.

Not true in South Carolina - there is no jury registration list. They get your name from the voter registrations.

I'm not sure how it works around here, but I think they draw from the pool of people who are registered to vote and have a driver's license.

I got a summons once. As a sole proprietor who'd just fired my only assistant for theft, I was in a bind. I called and explained my situation to a clerk or something. I not only wouldn't get paid, I'd still be paying rent and everything. She hemmed and hawed a bit.

So I asked her if I could just vote to acquit, right here on the phone, and she could apply my vote to whatever case I was expected to sit.
She thanked me for calling and told me she'd remove me from the list.


I felt bad really. I do think that jury duty is an important duty. But it just wasn't a good time, given my circumstances. It came at about the worst possible time. I'd certainly do it now. Or almost anytime. But not that month.
Tom

These are the comments I was hoping my ignorance would spawn. Do you mean to tell me yall waited until I said some dumbass shit before speaking on how Jury selection works? Whatever, I'm glad you're here, as I'd like to introduce you to our resident Jury Scholar DrZoidberg.

 

[Coleman Smith]

Every US citizen has to sign up for Jury duty and (to my knowledge) a profile like the one you created on this forum is available for the Courts to select from.

I don't believe the bolded part is true. I'm sure different states/cities/localities form their pools differently, but two VERY common ways to stock the pool are via both driver's license registration and voter registration lists.
(Which, if anything, goes a long way towards explaining any potential bias selecting against black jurists, and resulting in under-representation in jury trials.)
Well...maybe "before the 2020 election," and, "before Georgia."

But if you never register to vote, and don't have a driver's license, your chances of being called for jury duty hover between slim and none.

In Kansas I got a notice that I would not be called for jury duty because of my age unless I opted in.

Age 82.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Day 12

The defense’s first witnesses testified about a May 6, 2019, incident in which Floyd was pulled from a car and arrested by Minneapolis police.

A now-retired paramedic who responded to that call, Michelle Moseng, testified that Floyd told her he had been taking multiple opioids about every 20 minutes.

“I asked him why and he said it was because he was addicted,” said Moseng, who described Floyd’s behavior as “elevated and agitated” before the judge struck that remark from the record.

Moseng said she recommended taking Floyd to the hospital based on his high blood pressure, which she measured at 216 over 160.

On cross-examination, prosecutor Erin Eldridge got Moseng to testify that Floyd’s respiratory output, pulse, heart rate, EKG and heart rhythms were normal. Eldridge said Floyd was taken to the hospital and released two hours later.

His past drug use is relevant at a high level, but the specifics of his condition upon his arrest by Chauvin are what is at issue, not any specific measurements from a previous incident. Some jurors may be influenced by this nonetheless.

Another expert witness, Nicole MacKenzie described the defense's claim of "excited delirium."

Mackenzie testified that the signs of excited delirium can incoherent speech, extraordinary strength and sweating and that officers are also trained to call paramedics, because a person in that state can rapidly go into cardiac arrest.

An expert in forensic medicine previously dismissed Nelson’s excited-delirium suggestion during the prosecution’s case, saying Floyd met none of the 10 criteria developed by the American College of Emergency Physicians.

A retired California cop also testified.

...Barry Brodd, a former Santa Rosa, California, officer, stoutly defended Chauvin’s actions, even as a prosecutor pounded away at the witness during a podium-banging cross-examination.

“It’s easy to sit and judge … an officer’s conduct,” Brodd said at one point. “It’s more of a challenge to, again, put yourself in the officer’s shoes to try to make an evaluation through what they’re feeling, what they’re sensing, the fear they have, and then make a determination.”

...

But Brodd said: “I felt that Officer Chauvin’s interactions with Mr. Floyd were following his training, following current practices in policing and were objectively reasonable.”

Wow. This is like hiring some Joe Schmoe with an opinion not based on evidence...

The prosecutor hammered away at Brodd, saying a reasonable officer in Chauvin’s position with his knee on Floyd’s neck would have known that Floyd stopped resisting, that another officer told him he couldn’t find a pulse, and that others had said Floyd had passed out and was no longer breathing.

Right, this is the difficult thing that defense expert witnesses can't answer.

Other witnesses:
Shawanda Hill - a person present with Floyd who said Floyd started saying not to kill him when police showed up with guns drawn. Why on earth is that relevant? Maybe they are trying to make that seem unreasonable, which it isn't.
Officer Chang - had the opinion that the crowd was getting unruly or more aggressive.

...so that shows the defense strategy to answer the question about why Chauvin did not give medical aid was because of the crowd...that giving aid would make him vulnerable to the crowd. Or at least, that's what I think they're saying.

 

[Gospel]

Ok Google, play the officer gets the benefit of the doubt over the dude with the rap sheet song.

Google: "Ok playing "This Is America" by Childish Gambino on YouTube music.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Every US citizen has to sign up for Jury duty and (to my knowledge) a profile like the one you created on this forum is available for the Courts to select from.

I don't believe the bolded part is true. I'm sure different states/cities/localities form their pools differently, but two VERY common ways to stock the pool are via both driver's license registration and voter registration lists.
(Which, if anything, goes a long way towards explaining any potential bias selecting against black jurists, and resulting in under-representation in jury trials.)
Well...maybe "before the 2020 election," and, "before Georgia."

But if you never register to vote, and don't have a driver's license, your chances of being called for jury duty hover between slim and none.

In Kansas I got a notice that I would not be called for jury duty because of my age unless I opted in.

Age 82.

Here it works the other way around--at 70 you can opt out. Finally got rid of their obsessively trying to get my wife despite the fact that her English is not up to it. The website you are directed to treats "speaks English" as a binary when it's really a spectrum. (She does well enough in a one-on-one situation but just listening she's going to miss things.) I would say they have called her at least 3x as often as they've called me.

 

[Derec]

Moseng said she recommended taking Floyd to the hospital based on his high blood pressure, which she measured at 216 over 160.

216/160 is indeed an acutely dangerous blood pressure. It did not kill him in 2019, but it's like Russian Roulette every time. If he spiked that much again after "eating too many drugs" it could easily have been what really killed him, in addition to the pulmonary edema.

 

[Derec]

With all the evidence and testimony from professionals being unfavorable to Chauvin, I still believe he will get acquitted,

The fix is in. There is about a 0.0-0.1% chance Chauvin will be acquitted. The only question is what he will be convicted of.

City will burn, George Floyd will be referenced during future cases on social media/message boards & Chauvin will sue and be compensated. That's the bizarro America I'm used to.

You got one thing right - in the highly unlikely case he gets acquitted, or even if he gets convicted of something like manslaughter, the #BLMers will riot, loot and burn all over Minneapolis, Portland and other cities.

Fat chance for a compensation. The city is quick to give George Floyd $27 million, but will not be generous at all toward Chauvin.

 

[Gospel]

I hope you're right Derec (minus the rioting part of course).

 

[Elixir]

I hope you're right Derec (minus the rioting part of course).

Agreed. But caution is advised regarding Derec's "predictions". Recently they have not worked out so well.
I particularly like the 0.01% chance of riots...

It's pretty funny (odd) that someone can murder another person live on camera in front of multiple witnesses, yet racists will declare that "the fix is in" if they are convicted of doing what millions of people saw them do.

 

[Patooka]

I hope you're right Derec (minus the rioting part of course).

Agreed. But caution is advised regarding Derec's "predictions". Recently they have not worked out so well.
I particularly like the 0.01% chance of riots...

It's pretty funny (odd) that someone can murder another person live on camera in front of multiple witnesses, yet racists will declare that "the fix is in" if they are convicted of doing what millions of people saw them do.

Or that said person deserves some compensation from the city.

 

[Gun Nut]

Every US citizen has to sign up for Jury duty and (to my knowledge) a profile like the one you created on this forum is available for the Courts to select from.

Not true in South Carolina - there is no jury registration list. They get your name from the voter registrations.

I'm not sure how it works around here, but I think they draw from the pool of people who are registered to vote and have a driver's license.

I got a summons once. As a sole proprietor who'd just fired my only assistant for theft, I was in a bind. I called and explained my situation to a clerk or something. I not only wouldn't get paid, I'd still be paying rent and everything. She hemmed and hawed a bit.

So I asked her if I could just vote to acquit, right here on the phone, and she could apply my vote to whatever case I was expected to sit.
She thanked me for calling and told me she'd remove me from the list.


I felt bad really. I do think that jury duty is an important duty. But it just wasn't a good time, given my circumstances. It came at about the worst possible time. I'd certainly do it now. Or almost anytime. But not that month.
Tom

Same thing happened to me several years ago. The timing of me being called to serve was the worst possible... would have seriously damaged my employment.
I did show up to the court and listened to the lawyers ask questions of people and such... but realizing that it would have threatened my survival to be held to what would have been a multi-month trial, I had to bow out. It was a wrongful death lawsuit against a hospital, so I asked "if a nurse employed by that hospital testifies that a particular test had a particular result, do I have to believe her". They asked why I ask so I said, "because I heard that hospital is a deathtrap". They thanked me for showing up and invited me to leave.

 

[Gospel]

Philando Castile, Breonna Taylor, Eric Garner, Tamir Rice support my belief that once again it will be raining acquittals as it always has been. The victim always did something to justify the officers in the eyes of the Jury. In Floyd's case, it was resisting arrest, poor health, and having too many hype men in the crowd. The officer did nothing wrong.

 

[Elixir]

Philando Castile, Breonna Taylor, Eric Garner, Tamir Rice support my belief that once again it will be raining acquittals as it always has been. The victim always did something to justify the officers in the eyes of the Jury. In Floyd's case, it was resisting arrest, poor health, and having too many hype men in the crowd. The officer did nothing wrong.

When given a choice between recognizing the world for what it is and pretending it's how we wish it was, most of us will pick the latter. It only takes one juror. ONE.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Day 13 live video:
[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34jeEJJrgy8[/YOUTUBE]

Forensic pathologist Dr David Fowler now testifying for the defense.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Moseng said she recommended taking Floyd to the hospital based on his high blood pressure, which she measured at 216 over 160.

216/160 is indeed an acutely dangerous blood pressure. It did not kill him in 2019, but it's like Russian Roulette every time. If he spiked that much again after "eating too many drugs" it could easily have been what really killed him, in addition to the pulmonary edema.

Sudden death from high blood pressure manifests as a bleed. He didn't die of it.

 

[ZiprHead]

Day 13 live video:
[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34jeEJJrgy8[/YOUTUBE]

Forensic pathologist Dr David Fowler now testifying for the defense.

I listened to some of that in the car. The prosecutor fileted him like a fish.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Day 13 live video:
[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34jeEJJrgy8[/YOUTUBE]

Forensic pathologist Dr David Fowler now testifying for the defense.

I listened to some of that in the car. The prosecutor fileted him like a fish.

Yup. I was impressed at the prosecutor's skill to get the defense's witness to concede many points, including multiple-stepped inferences from questioning his testimony.