Passing out in 10-15 seconds is the result of a blood choke, not an airway choke! The former is acceptable in combat sports and has no lasting effects unless it's applied too long. The latter is not acceptable because it can do damage to the airway, letting go doesn't always let the person breathe again. (Which is why police departments are banning choke holds--it takes training to ensure you're only doing a blood choke and not an airway choke and they don't train enough to do it safely.)
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Passing out in 10-15 seconds is the result of a blood choke, not an airway choke! The former is acceptable in combat sports and has no lasting effects unless it's applied too long. The latter is not acceptable because it can do damage to the airway, letting go doesn't always let the person breathe again. (Which is why police departments are banning choke holds--it takes training to ensure you're only doing a blood choke and not an airway choke and they don't train enough to do it safely.)
What he did originally that caused Floyd to complain he couldn't breathe wouldn't have made anything bad happen--you have to be able to breathe to say you can't breathe. It looks like he responded to the complaints by increasing the pressure, completely preventing breathing, shutting him up but also killing him.
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Are you talking about this?
That was posted by [MENTION=1521]Worldtraveller[/MENTION];
I didn't see anyone, in this thread, refer to that behavior as irrelevant.
Because that's what I'm talking about, concerning Chauvin's behavior.
I haven't seen anyone, in this thread, making a big deal out of any other behavior by Chauvin. Am I missing something, or are you strawmanning people who disagree with you?
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Man, I remember chokehold training in BCT and subsequent nights in the barracks where we would blood choke each other until the moment we lost consciousness. I've never had such insane hallucinations than in the 1-2 seconds that I fell unconscious during a blood choke.
They are, indeed, damn near instant when you do it right.
If you do it wrong, it'll sound (and feel) like someone punched you in the throat.
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Can't believe we are back to this. Thought the misunderstanding was resolved. This is how things went.
Barbos said this.
Then worldtraveller said this
There are several people in this thread claiming that having someone kneel on the back of one's neck for 9+ minutes is irrelevant.
I have a modest proposal that involves an experiment with every one of you, and a stopwatch.
Any takers?
Then you said;
The issue is worldtraveller wasn't talking about anyone claiming that Chauvin had no part in Floyd's death. He said that several people are claiming that having someone kneel on the back off the neck is irrelevant. My answer was that Babado's claimed it (to name one as you requested).
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That's what I said.
barbos
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No, I am not confusing it, it's people here who are claiming neck thing was relevant are confusing it.
barbos
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It was not pressure on his neck, it was chest restriction due to awkward position and yes pressure on the chest.
People here are fixated on things which look bad on the video but have nothing to do with Floyd's death.
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Saying you can't breathe means you are not getting sufficient oxygen and are experiencing discomfort.
You can talk and still not be getting sufficient oxygen.
The cop was torturing him.
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I did not say that. I said 0.0-0.1% chance of an acquittal. 12 jurors have to agree to acquit, and that will be almost impossible.
A more realistic chance, maybe 5%, is that there will be a mistrial due to a hung jury in which case the state will almost certainly retry.
He will most likely get convicted of something. And there I wrote ...
Rioting is incredibly likely unless he gets convicted of the top charge - and even then #BLMers might riot just because. They are still rioting in Brooklyn Center even though Kim Potter was charged with manslaughter.
You don't have to be a "racist"* to disagree that the prosecution proved their case beyond a reasonable doubt.
Because it is impossible to tell what kind of pressure Chauvin was exerting on Floyd's airway. I have not seen any reports of any damage to the airway tissues indicating that it was restricted due to an outside force. And there is an alternative explanation for his breathing difficulties - his lungs were full of liquid due to a fentanyl overdose. That combined with his poor health is most likely the main cause of death.
* Funny how the Left will insist that "racism" means "prejudice plus power" when they are defending the asinine statement that "blacks can't be racist" (ignoring all the power, economic and political, that black people have in the US) but when it comes to accusing white people of racism mere disagreement on a point of politics or a criminal trial suffices to throw around the allegation like so much confetti!
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Some compensation would be fine. $27 fucking million dollars is not.
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I agree.
Let's try this for some few others in the thread: I know people who were having medical emergenices--last one was covid--who had low oxygen and said, "I can't breathe." Last one got an ambulance called for their covid. They had low oxygen.
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Why not? What is YOUR life worth, for instance, if you are tortured to death by a cop for suspicion of passing a fake $20?
Just a ballpark figure will do, Derec.
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A gathering is a virtual certainty, whether for protest demonstration, or just a vigil to honor the dead and express sorrow.
With that comes the other virtual certainty: white supremacists will show up at that gathering to incite violence.
Yes, that is what I think Chauvin intended--to torture him.
I wish I could be surprised that you believe killing black citizens deserves a little extra when it comes to payday. I'm not. You lamenting over the fact that Derek Chauvin will receive no compo says it all. As for your opinion that the amount to Floyd's family is excessive I have an absurd radical and controversial thought; train the fucking cops better.
It fucking sickens me that having the opinion that US cops are poorly trained and selected is considered contentious. It's not. There are exhibits "A" through to fucking "omega" because you are going to need more than one alphabet to list them all. And yet it is considered contentious and controversial to have such an opinion. Fuck, I'm glad I live on the other side of the planet and all I have to worry about is spiders.
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I understand most of it gets to enrich their black lawyer(s), and then there are taxes.
$27mil could have been better spent on the whole black community there.
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How much does someone who swallows a handful of dangerous drugs, knowing they have serious health issues already, while being arrested, value their own life?
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Seems to be the modern day version of "give me freedom or give me death!"
Seriously, do you think he was trying to commit suicide? (BTW I didn't see him swallow "a handful of dangerous drugs". But maybe I missed that part of the video. If that's an assertion by the cops who killed him, it's not worth the air molecules that moved when they said it.
IMHO that's disgusting and unwarranted implication that has zero bearing and in no way mitigates the murder committed by Derek Chauvin.