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Bombings and shootings are quite common among Islamo-Judeo-Christians.
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Bombings and shootings are quite common among Islamo-Judeo-Christians.
J842P
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Oh for fuck's sake! The left has really jumped the shark.
Don2 (Don1 Revised)
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Bombing people has fucking killed millions in the Middle East and the fucking vacuum from Bush's war with Iraq is partially responsible for ISIS. So, yeah, Americans are not completely innocent, especially the torturous Bush-supporter fuckers who heard from God they should shock-and-awe civilians. Just because they control states, doesn't make their bullshit any less stinky. It doesn't make them better just because they give the President power to do it while voting with suits and ties on.
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Folks,
Tell me I'm wrong, but IMHO this dreadful event may have secured Donald Trump's presidency.
Alex.
Tell me I'm wrong, but IMHO this dreadful event may have secured Donald Trump's presidency.
Alex.
RavenSky
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Not a bit. His supporters may be peeing their pants with glee, but no one else is buying into his self-aggrandizement over this. He tweeted about how is ban of all Muslims would have prevented this
Philos
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Not a bit. His supporters may be peeing their pants with glee, but no one else is buying into his self-aggrandizement over this. He tweeted about how is ban of all Muslims would have prevented this
RavenSky,
Thank you for a measured response to my overreaction. I was not rooting for Trump.
Alex.
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It's already bringing them out in stupid droves on Yahoo! boards. They're like a gigantic walking collective dog turd that's covered in rotting lard-grease on and set on fire.
The only question remains now is whether the GOP can turn this to their advantage regardless of Trump being their candidate. That is, even though Trump is the most unqualified candidate to ever earn the GOP nomination, is this event enough to win him the election?
I don't think so. This will last longer than the typical mass shooting, but even those don't have news-cycle lives of more than a few weeks. By November, after several other mass shooting have occurred, this will only be a faint memory to the American public.
Also, Hillary's campaign machine will find a way to spin this in their favor. The Dems learned from the Swift Boat campaign that they couldn't just sit back and do nothing no matter how farcical and idiotic an accusation was. It has to be handled adeptly and handled now.
Trump can respond faster and stupidly because well, he's Trump. And he doesn't have to worry about the collective conscience of his supporters. He can also count on the press to be in a kind of paralytic shock wherein they're still trying to gather information. And of course, he doesn't bother to think very hard about what he says.
Hillary on the other hand is going to have to come up with something fast, even if it's imperfect. The longer she stays mum, the worse she looks.
Yes, this^ is all cynical and practical and doesn't allow room for mourning. But that's the way it is now and it will always be that way.
Not a bit. His supporters may be peeing their pants with glee, but no one else is buying into his self-aggrandizement over this. He tweeted about how is ban of all Muslims would have prevented this
Let's give credit where it's due. Trump has real problems understanding that anybody who's not white could have been born in the US, so it's only natural that he's terribly confused about this guy.
I briefly tuned in to MSNBC, but then Tom Brokaw asked someone "Would it be fair to say that if people knew what you did, they'd have a hard time leaving the house in the morning?", and I decided not to listen to a bunch of Simpson characters on the subject.
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I think this has happened too early to really have an effect on the election. Also, this particular shooting will play into either side's narrative, the left on gun control and anti-queer violence, the right on Islamic terrorism, so any effect it would have would probably be a wash.
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Like all wars and terrorist acts it looks like religion was used as justification for a violent act of hatred. This guys dad said he had expressed disgust over a couple of guys kissing a few weeks ago.
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I agree that it happened too far from the election to have much of an impact, but I disagree about the narrative.
As the victims names are being released, I'm noticing that they were (so far at least) all Latino names. I'd hazard a guess that - at least among Trump supporters and Tea Party types - the right will shed far fewer tears over the deaths of 50 (and counting) gay Latinos. They may offer "prayers," but I'd bet few Republicans will be showing up to the funerals or demanding that we all take a stand against discrimination directed towards the LGBT community.
The gun control thing? The shooter was - until 2:02am this morning at least - a "responsible gun owner" with a license to carry, and the "if only there were a good guy with a gun" narrative falls flat due to the fact that there was an armed police officer there when the shooting began.
The Muslim angle will play out, though it is worth noting that the guy wasn't an ISIS agent. He "pledged allegiance" to them in a 911 call, but if that makes him a member of ISIS, then John Hinkley was really Jodie Foster's boyfriend.
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I'm not making a judgement as to which of the narratives is more reasonable, I'm saying that both sides can spin this to their own ends, so I predict, although of course I can't say for sure, that it will be a wash politically.
You're too late by a year. When a gay march was organised through mainly Muslim ares of Stockholm, the planned route was described as xenophobic and racist and 'provocative'.
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Not a bit. His supporters may be peeing their pants with glee, but no one else is buying into his self-aggrandizement over this. He tweeted about how is ban of all Muslims would have prevented this
One thought that did cross my mind was that Trump, in his arrogance, may have organised this to reinforce his ideas and secure th e vote. Stranger things have happened.
Then I came to my senses and realised that that is just stupid.
What I will say confidently is that having only just hearing about this (9:30 am Monday) due to sleeping, is that it isn't tragedy! It could happen anywhere, gun control or not, as people will still get hold of guns if they really want to! Look at the Lindt Chocolate Seige in Sydney recently, which was ISIS linked! And we have quite stringent gun laws as well.
Orlando, Florida, keep working together! Don't let ISIS get you down!
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The judge he's been railing against over the Trump University case is also from Indiana.
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The timing on this video is eery:
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Not a bit. His supporters may be peeing their pants with glee, but no one else is buying into his self-aggrandizement over this. He tweeted about how is ban of all Muslims would have prevented this
One thought that did cross my mind was that Trump, in his arrogance, may have organised this to reinforce his ideas and secure th e vote. Stranger things have happened.
Then I came to my senses and realised that that is just stupid.
What I will say confidently is that having only just hearing about this (9:30 am Monday) due to sleeping, is that it isn't tragedy! It could happen anywhere, gun control or not, as people will still get hold of guns if they really want to! Look at the Lindt Chocolate Seige in Sydney recently, which was ISIS linked! And we have quite stringent gun laws as well.
Orlando, Florida, keep working together! Don't let ISIS get you down!
1. Yes, it's a terrible fucking tragedy.
2. This shit happens here with so much frequency that what used to be shock and outrage is now just flaccid acceptance. It was Columbine that was shocking, outrageous, disturbing, and unthinkable. But since then? Fuck. There are so many mass shootings in the U.S. every year that only when a new record is set do we pay much attention to it. 20 kindergartners and 6 teachers dead wasn't enough to overcome the grip the goddamned NRA has on American society.
More guns = more gun violence. I won't bother to cite statistics compared to European countries. They're so well known that it is incomprehensible we don't look at that and say, "Hey, we should do what they're doing." But we don't!!!
Some day, the U.S. will ban weapons and in the generations following when they look back at the carnage, they're going to think every last one of us was fucking insane.