Happy Holidays - 30 dead or wounded at parade

[Gospel]

There is no purpose in allowing weapons of mass death in the hands of your average citizen, let alone someone you don't trust enough to hold a jack-knife.

Btw, how do you define "weapons of mass death"?

What did the forefathers who wrote the constitution think arms were? Be honest.

Something that ought to be well-regulated, for one.

Or the literal (as the SCOTUS likes to have it these days) Nukes, Tanks, RPGs, the drones Obama loved so much, etc. The constitution doesn't literally specify the types of "arms". Well regulated yes, but the types? No.

 

[Hermit]

you find me ONE example of someone who went on a public mass shooting rampage of strangers and was later found to ascribe their motives to trying to trigger a socialist utopia and i'll lick your taint clean as a whistle.

Hitler was the greatest mass killer of all. And a socialist. It's in the name of the party he led, you know? NSDAP: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. Translated into English: National Socialist German Workers' Party. Nazi for short.

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[Jarhyn]

you find me ONE example of someone who went on a public mass shooting rampage of strangers and was later found to ascribe their motives to trying to trigger a socialist utopia and i'll lick your taint clean as a whistle.

Hitler was the greatest mass killer of all. And a socialist. It's in the name of the party he led, you know? NSDAP: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. Translated into English: National Socialist German Workers' Party. Nazi for short.

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To be fair, and also because I want to deny @prideandfall a good taint licking because it seems they were a little too ready to offer it, they were not "later found" but rather "preemptively found".

 

[Derec]

Look at that antifa flag!

Yeah, how do you know what is written on the flag or why he put it on?

 

[Gospel]

Look at that antifa flag!

Yeah, how do you know what is written on the flag or why he put it on?

His father ran for Mayor? A republican Trump loving one? I dunno, just guessing.

 

[prideandfall]

you find me ONE example of someone who went on a public mass shooting rampage of strangers and was later found to ascribe their motives to trying to trigger a socialist utopia and i'll lick your taint clean as a whistle.

Hitler was the greatest mass killer of all. And a socialist. It's in the name of the party he led, you know? NSDAP: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. Translated into English: National Socialist German Workers' Party. Nazi for short.

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i'm sorry and where is the part where hitler converted germany's society into having the means of production owned by the masses instead of being in the hands of individuals?
having the word 'socialist' in the name is literally the only thing socialist about the nazi party.
also also, hitler never went on a public mass shooting rampage.

hitler is to socialism as rachael dolezal is to black women, and your 'point' is as utterly wrong as it is profoundly stupid.

 

[Derec]

American Police = try to kill us or make us think you're trying to kill us and we may not be taking you in alive. Kill a bunch of civilians? Meh.

Why is that remarkable? The former is self-defense. The latter is revenge. The former is justified, the latter would be murder.

I'm not advocating for police to commit a crime (get your minds out of the gutter). What I'm trying to put on display here is they seem to care more about self-preservation than serving and protecting. Kna mean?

It's more about a present threat vs. what you did before. If a civilian is threatened, and police can take a shot, they do it.
Remember Ma'khia Bryant? She was shot dead not because she was threatening the cop, but because she was about to stab the girl in pink.

When has the police made a mistake or gone overboard resulting in the death of an individual suspected of committing a mass shooting*?

I am sure there have been cases of mass shooters getting shot themselves, even under your restricted (see *) definition. Whether or not you think that is "going overboard".

 

[Shadowy Man]

Look at that antifa flag!

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We know it's an Antifa flag because that's what all the Antifa people at the Capitol on Jan 6th were waving.

 

[prideandfall]

Black folks were sold the same lie after emancipation just to find out politically, legally, and socially it wasn't the case; I get it. Same street different name.

oh for sure, but... and obviously you're better equipped to answer this than i am... hasn't it kind of always been more of a blatant lie when it comes to black folks?
i always assumed that it came across as something "not for us" to the black community in a transparent way.

 

[Derec]

American Police = try to kill us or make us think you're trying to kill us and we may not be taking you in alive. Kill a bunch of civilians? Meh.

Why is that remarkable? The former is self-defense. The latter is revenge. The former is justified, the latter would be murder.

I'm not advocating for police to commit a crime (get your minds out of the gutter). What I'm trying to put on display here is they seem to care more about self-preservation than serving and protecting. Kna mean?

It's more about a present threat vs. what you did before. If a civilian is threatened, and police can take a shot, they do it.
Remember Ma'khia Bryant? She was shot dead not because she was threatening the cop, but because she was about to stab the girl in pink.

When has the police made a mistake or gone overboard resulting in the death of an individual suspected of committing a mass shooting*?

I am sure there have been cases of mass shooters getting shot themselves, even under your restricted (see *) definition. Whether or not you think that is "going overboard".

 

[Hermit]

you find me ONE example of someone who went on a public mass shooting rampage of strangers and was later found to ascribe their motives to trying to trigger a socialist utopia and i'll lick your taint clean as a whistle.

Hitler was the greatest mass killer of all. And a socialist. It's in the name of the party he led, you know? NSDAP: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. Translated into English: National Socialist German Workers' Party. Nazi for short.

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i'm sorry and where is the part where hitler converted germany's society into having the means of production owned by the masses instead of being in the hands of individuals?

That's communism. Hitler was a socialist. Like all clued-in socialists, the Führer took the role and function of the welfare state very seriously. He knew who buttered his bread, so Gustav Krupp, Friedrich Flick, August von Finck, Friedrich "Fritz" Thyssen, Herbert Quandt and Rudolf-August Oetker were among the couple of dozen German billionaire industrialists who benefited from his munificence. Why, even some foreign ones, such as Henry Ford, did.

having the word 'socialist' in the name is literally the only thing socialist about the nazi party.

I am beginning to suspect you either did not notice what lies underneath the spoiler or misread its meaning.

 

[prideandfall]

you find me ONE example of someone who went on a public mass shooting rampage of strangers and was later found to ascribe their motives to trying to trigger a socialist utopia and i'll lick your taint clean as a whistle.

Hitler was the greatest mass killer of all. And a socialist. It's in the name of the party he led, you know? NSDAP: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. Translated into English: National Socialist German Workers' Party. Nazi for short.

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i'm sorry and where is the part where hitler converted germany's society into having the means of production owned by the masses instead of being in the hands of individuals?

That's communism. Hitler was a socialist.

i mean, except that no he wasn't.

ok, let me step back and rephrase this: i use the word 'socialism' in the actual sense, as in what the word means from the time of its invention.
i don't use 'socialism' as a euphemism for 'any government i find scary' like most americans (and basically everyone on this forum) uses it.

Socialism | Definition, History, Types, Examples, & Facts

Socialism, social and economic doctrine that calls for public rather than private ownership or control of property and natural resources. According to socialism, everything that people produce is in some sense a social product, and everyone who contributes to the production of a good is entitled...

www.britannica.com

socialism is an economic doctrine that is essentially the inverse of capitalism - where capitalism is a doctrine where the means of production (ie, the systems that generate and distribute capital) are owned and dictated privately.
conversely in socialism, the means of production (and the systems that generate and distribute capital) are owned collectively by the workers.

socialism is not 'government programs', and it's not 'welfare', and it's not 'putting the word socialism in the name of your political party while you enact oppressive authoritarian tyranny' except in the colloquial way that idiots who don't know what words means use it.

by the by, communism is the name for a political theory which posits that violent class warfare is required to attain socialism, 'communism' being the transitory state between capitalism and socialism. by its very definition, 'communism' is the word for the state of society and government that is transitioning away from capitalism and is not an end-goal in and of itself.

neither the germans, or the russians nor the chinese for that matter, are 'communist' or 'socialist' in anything except branding, because none of them were ever actively trying to attain a worker-owned economy.

... ok that's pedantic, and in a lot of ways i admit it's basically 'argument by quibble over definition' but it's a serious pet peeve of mine the extent to which americans have no clue what these words mean.

I am beginning to suspect you either did not notice what lies underneath the spoiler or misread its meaning.

i'm beginning to suspect that my hobby horse over the misuse of the word 'socialism' is inclining me to soap box over it instead of taking a joke.

 

[Derec]

A. people like you tried to jump to him being a leftist in a desperate and pathetic attempt to have some violence, any violence, not be due to your degenerate and disgusting moral and political ideology.

There is plenty of violence by the left. What are you even babbling about?
But there is a desperate and pathetic attempt by leftists to deny that there is political violence by the Left.
And the media is compliant. Like when they erroneously claim that #BLM arsonists are really "boogaloo bois". See this as an example.

B. random acts of violence = right wing violence, always. full stop.

Bullshit. If acts of violence are truly random, then they are not political.
And political acts of violence can come from left as well as from the right.

so, sadly, this was another example of pointless and stupid terror enacted against people for absolutely no gain or purpose, because MAGA chuds simply can't cope with how small their dicks are and have to shoot up crowds of people.

We do not know whether Crimo is MAGA or ANTIFA or none of those. We also do not know his dick size, unless you are speaking from experience.

 

[Derec]

Something is going on in the white community that is breading mass shooters yo. Yall dominate that. Wassup?

According to this, whites are somewhat underrepresented among mass shooters. This site agrees.

Just because the discrepancy for mass shootings is not as lopsided as homicides overall (where the rate is something like 5x for black killers vs. white ones) does not mean that whites are overrepresented among mass shooters.

 

[Derec]

The evidence right now leans to he's a nihilist who thinks life's so stupid that a person might as well kill himself or kill others.

I mean, say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, dude, at least it's an ethos.

So probably he's trolling when he acts like he's got an interest in any political causes.

Him cosplaying Waldo did seem like he was trolling those Trumpers hard.

 

[prideandfall]

A. people like you tried to jump to him being a leftist in a desperate and pathetic attempt to have some violence, any violence, not be due to your degenerate and disgusting moral and political ideology.

There is plenty of violence by the left. What are you even babbling about?

no, there isn't. i know you get off hallucinating that there is, but reality does not conform to your fantasies as much as i wish that it did in this case.

But there is a desperate and pathetic attempt by leftists to deny that there is political violence by the Left.

no, there really isn't - because that would require there being political violence by the left in the first place.
actually, in the US that would require there to *be* a left in the first place and there functionally isn't.

And the media is compliant. Like when they erroneously claim that #BLM arsonists are really "boogaloo bois". See this as an example.

and here yet again as you have done countless times before, you demonstrate that you don't understand the difference between 'left wing violence' and 'violence that isn't right wing'.
i've debunked your incomprehensible insanity on this issue multiple times, i won't bother doing so again.

B. random acts of violence = right wing violence, always. full stop.

Bullshit. If acts of violence are truly random, then they are not political.

i will actually concede you are correct here on a technicality.
i should have said 'acts of random violence' which is distinctly different from 'random acts of violence.'

so yes, a random act of violence is random.
but acts of violence on random targets for the purpose of carrying out some kind of ideological agenda = right wing violence. always. full stop.

And political acts of violence can come from left as well as from the right.

'can' and 'do' are distinctly different, and the gulf between them in this case is insurmountable.

 

[Derec]

Mass shootings as a number and not what the shooter intended. Maybe. But deliberately trying to kill as many random people as possible? That's the white community sir.

So not just selection bias, but also definition bias.
Do you have any actual numbers using your definition by the way?

 

[prideandfall]

Mass shootings as a number and not what the shooter intended. Maybe. But deliberately trying to kill as many random people as possible? That's the white community sir.

So not just selection bias, but also definition bias.
Do you have any actual numbers using your definition by the way?

Mass shootings by shooter’s race in the U.S. 2021 | Statista

Of the 124 mass shootings which occurred in the U.S. between 1982 and May 2021, the shooter was white in 66 shootings, black in 21 and Latino in 10.

www.statista.com

don't you ever get tired of being completely and hilariously wrong about literally everything literally all the time?

 

[Derec]

yeah no. left-leaning political ideologues don't do random mass shootings. it just doesn't happen.

Well, by definition if there is a political motive and selection of target, then it ceases to be truly random.
Maybe the guy was a nihilist who is just as likely to shoot up a July 4th parade as he is a Mayday one. Maybe not.

But leftists definitely do engage in acts of senseless violence.

random acts of large scale public violence are always either unreservedly rightwing authoritarian ethnonationalists, or dubiously rightwing ethnonationalist loonies.

[citation needed]

even the ones with no discernible motive outside of chaos are the sort of incel wannabe fascists that are right at home with the US conservative crowd.

Ah yeah, was waiting for that particular term of abuse that has become fashionable in leftist circles of late.
Of course, one can be involuntarily celibate and be on the left, even socialist.

yeah this is 100% your end of the political pond buddy, this shit absolutely does not happen from left wing extremists.

I despise both ends of the pond, but can see that they are both shit-infested waters from here in the middle. You are too deep in your own cesspool to recognize the stink.

i'll pre-emptively respond to your pathetically predictable attempt at counter-point by linking to some lefty from the 60s who threw a brick at a government building:

Or bombed government buildings, robbed banks, murdered police officers/guards well into the 80s. The Senate Building bombing, by the May 19th Communist Organization was in 1983. Not that long ago.
More recently, #BLM, founded by two "trained Marxists" and their friends Antifas have been wreaking chaos in American cities.

left-wing violence, when it happens, is for a purpose.

Like bringing down the US government and imposing a communist dictatorship? Isn't that what the Weathermen wanted?

in any given instance you may well be able to make the argument that the tactic was shitty and ineffective, but the reason behind is an attempt to enact change for the betterment of human civilization -

LMAO at "betterment of human civilization".

actual betterment, as in improving the material living conditions of humans, not 'better' as in "now i can beat faggots to death without being called a homophobe" or whatever cuntery right wingers are up to these days.

Extremists on both sides think their extremism doesn't stink. I have news for you buddy. It does. A lot.

you find me ONE example of someone who went on a public mass shooting rampage of strangers and was later found to ascribe their motives to trying to trigger a socialist utopia and i'll lick your taint clean as a whistle.

The Bernie Bro who shot up the Congressional baseball game qualifies for sure.
But I bet you think he was working toward the "betterment of the human civilization", right?

 

[Derec]

don't you ever get tired of being completely and hilariously wrong about literally everything literally all the time?

I posted that very same site, dude. And I must throw that question back at you: "don't you ever get tired of being completely and hilariously wrong about literally everything literally all the time?"

Because you obviously do not understand how population percentages work. There are a lot more white people in the US than black people, especially when you consider the entire timeframe from 1982 and don't just go by present demographics.