Harriet Tubman on the $20 bill

[DrZoidberg]

Oh, BTW - you don't get a vote.

I don't think anybody has ever gotten to vote on who to put on Russian money. Not being democratic is a Russian thing.

 

[TomC]

So now the argument is, because other people deserve to be on the bill too, no to Tubman.

I'm not making any other argument than pointing out that there is a theme of the people on the American money. Tubman breaks that theme. It comes across as odd. In all the countries I've ever been to there's typically a theme of who is on the money.

I'm trying to figure out the theme, if there is one, where Tubman fits on the American bills.

I really like breaking the current theme. Wealthy WASP male liberal elitists are OK, but Harriet Tubman is close to the polar opposite. I like that.
Tom

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

It's not the vaccines, it's the chips!

The vaccine has chips in it.

 

[TSwizzle]

I get the feeling that putting her on the $20 bill feels like throwing the black community a bone, rather than acknowledging blacks as equals. Which putting Obama on the $20 would do.

Is my reasoning crazy?

Not really. There will be a clamoring to get some obscure, blackx, transgender, LBGQWERTY, wrestling champion or softball pitcher on the $100 once Kamala gets control. I doubt most people pay much attention to whose on the bills. I've been here thirty years and couldn't tell who is on most of the bills. In fact, I hardly ever use cash these days. It's a trivia question for pub quizzes really. Most of us just look at the number. Others may obsess about the masonic stuff hidden in the background. Bitcoin and crypto currency will soon replace it all anyway. Stamps are more interesting and diverse.

 

[ideologyhunter]

Herman Cain on the revamped and beloved $2 bill?

 

[Elixir]

It's not the vaccines, it's the chips!

The vaccine has chips in it.

True! The chips are set to activate on March 4th for the Trump Inauguration!

 

[southernhybrid]

It was Obama who wanted to put Tubman on the 20 dollar bill, but when Trump was elected, he slowed down the process, most likely due to his racism. He wa a fan of Andrew Jackson, who was an out and out racist. I once read that Jackson was put on the 20 as a form of satire, since he was more of an American embarrassment, than an American hero. I think Tubman is an excellent choice, due to her courageous actions, first escaping slavery and then helping others escape.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/01/26/harriet-tubman-twenty-dollar-bill-replace-andrew-jackson/4257038001/

The Biden administration is speeding up the effort to feature a new face on the $20 bill: abolitionist hero Harriet Tubman.

Tubman escaped slavery using the Underground Railroad in 1849 and later became a "conductor" who helped free dozens of other enslaved people. She would later become known as the "Moses of her people."

President Barack Obama announced in 2016 that Tubman would appear on the $20 bill by 2020, but that move was delayed under President Donald Trump.

On Monday, White House press secretary Jen Psaki said the administration was "exploring ways to speed up that effort,” and that it’s important the nation’s currency “reflect the history and diversity of our country.”

Latest development:Biden accelerating move to put Harriet Tubman on $20 bill

Here's what you need to know about Tubman and the effort to get her on the $20 bill.

I guess you could say that a lot of us like the idea of seeing a heroic female minority on our money, assuming most of us even use paper money very often these days. Tubman was a heroic symbol of the abolitionist movement. To me, that's reason enough to honor her this way.

 

[Jarhyn]

It's not the vaccines, it's the chips!

The vaccine has chips in it.

They better be Sea Salt and Vinegar chips, or I'll be rather cross. Lesser chips just are not sufficient.

 

[southernhybrid]

I don't care if they put MC Hammer on the $20.00. I've been looking at faces on money that most likely had a family member somewhere down my blood line killed for eating a goddamn cookie. Anyone not on the enforcement side of slavery would be nice. Oh and sorry to sound like an ass, but I don't think the choice of what black person to put on US Currency should be made or debated by white people. Yall enjoy this thread now buh bye.

White people didn't make this decision. Obama did. Biden is just carrying out the change that Obama initiated. It was racist Trump who tried to stop it.

But, I do think it's okay for anyone to discuss this regardless of their skin color. I'm an MLK fan. I love his idealistic quote about not judging anyone by the color of their skin. That may never happen in reality, but it's an excellent ideal to support and have as a personal goal.

 

[Keith&Co.]

But, I do think it's okay for anyone to discuss this regardless of their skin color.

With you on that one.
Otherwise my thoughts go straight to my kids, or people in similar situations. At what point does one become 'not black enough' to debate the black person to be honored?

 

[laughing dog]

So now the argument is, because other people deserve to be on the bill too, no to Tubman.

I'm not making any other argument than pointing out that there is a theme of the people on the American money.

The theme is white men who lived over 200 years ago.

Tubman breaks that theme. It comes across as odd.

Or it comes across as a recognition of the wide swath of US history that encompasses more than white men that lived over 200 years ago.

I'm trying to figure out the theme, if there is one, where Tubman fits on the American bills.

It really is not that hard. How about people who played an important role in developing, maintaining or promoting the basic values of Declaration of Independence?

 

[ronburgundy]

I can contrast it with Swedish money. We have no statesmen at all on Swedish money. It's all just famous entertainers. None of them are famous for anything of any consequence other than just making Swedes happy. That's the theme of Swedish money. That's my point. There's a theme. If there's a theme on the money and one person on the bills stick out like a sore thumb, you draw attention to that. If Harriet Tubman is on the money, won't everbody think that the black person on the bills is the only one on the money who didn't have any power. How isn't that a racist act? How isn't it just drawing attention to blacks lack of political power in USA? While true, is hardly aspirational. Aren't these guys supposed to be heroes to emulate? Is my train of thought crazy?

Not just crazy, full blown crackhead nonsense nutter. Unless you think wealth and personal power are the only things people should aspire to, your comment is absurd. Tubman personally helped rescue many hundreds of lives from the bondage a slavery, including playing a central lead role in a military Union assault that freed 750 slaves, and met with a General and prompted him to create a regiment of freed slaves against Lincolns wrongheaded wishes. Alone the direct impact of these are a greater more important contributions to US society, than that of 99.9% of it's population, accomplished despite having less wealth and power than almost all of them. In addition, she was a massive cultural changing inspiration to the people of her time and to people ever since. She was well known and a hero to many during her lifetime, had a biography written about her, and the US senate voted on a bill to pay her for her war services, which highlights her inspirational impact even on the political elite.

She used her cultural status to garner support for abolition, and suffrage for both blacks and for women. Actual democracy did not exist in the US until women and blacks could vote, so Tubman arguably did as much or more to create an actual democracy in the US than any of those on US currency.

Tubman was not a powerful member of the political elite, b/c racism and sexism (and not actual accomplishment and merit) determined who was among their ranks. In terms of the individual merit of accomplishing more with one's own efforts relative to the opportunities one had given their birth circumstances, she far outshines most of the founding fathers.

It is hard to imagine any informed and ethical person who wouldn't hold up Tubman as the epitome of what it is to be a true American willing to self sacrifice to advance the real core philosophical principles that define America and the whole progress of the post-Enlightenment western civilization, to at least if not far greater extent than Jefferson, Jackson, Franklin, etc..

 

[TomC]

It is hard to imagine any informed and ethical person who wouldn't hold up Tubman as the epitome of what it is to be a true American willing to self sacrifice to advance the real core philosophical principles that define America and the whole progress of the post-Enlightenment western civilization, to at least if not far greater extent than Jefferson, Jackson, Franklin, etc..

This!

Tubman wasn't a hero in her day! But she better represents the American ideal than Andrew Jackson, by a long shot.

Tom

 

[DrZoidberg]

I can contrast it with Swedish money. We have no statesmen at all on Swedish money. It's all just famous entertainers. None of them are famous for anything of any consequence other than just making Swedes happy. That's the theme of Swedish money. That's my point. There's a theme. If there's a theme on the money and one person on the bills stick out like a sore thumb, you draw attention to that. If Harriet Tubman is on the money, won't everbody think that the black person on the bills is the only one on the money who didn't have any power. How isn't that a racist act? How isn't it just drawing attention to blacks lack of political power in USA? While true, is hardly aspirational. Aren't these guys supposed to be heroes to emulate? Is my train of thought crazy?

Not just crazy, full blown crackhead nonsense nutter. Unless you think wealth and personal power are the only things people should aspire to, your comment is absurd. Tubman personally helped rescue many hundreds of lives from the bondage a slavery, including playing a central lead role in a military Union assault that freed 750 slaves, and met with a General and prompted him to create a regiment of freed slaves against Lincolns wrongheaded wishes. Alone the direct impact of these are a greater more important contributions to US society, than that of 99.9% of it's population, accomplished despite having less wealth and power than almost all of them. In addition, she was a massive cultural changing inspiration to the people of her time and to people ever since. She was well known and a hero to many during her lifetime, had a biography written about her, and the US senate voted on a bill to pay her for her war services, which highlights her inspirational impact even on the political elite.

She used her cultural status to garner support for abolition, and suffrage for both blacks and for women. Actual democracy did not exist in the US until women and blacks could vote, so Tubman arguably did as much or more to create an actual democracy in the US than any of those on US currency.

Tubman was not a powerful member of the political elite, b/c racism and sexism (and not actual accomplishment and merit) determined who was among their ranks. In terms of the individual merit of accomplishing more with one's own efforts relative to the opportunities one had given their birth circumstances, she far outshines most of the founding fathers.

It is hard to imagine any informed and ethical person who wouldn't hold up Tubman as the epitome of what it is to be a true American willing to self sacrifice to advance the real core philosophical principles that define America and the whole progress of the post-Enlightenment western civilization, to at least if not far greater extent than Jefferson, Jackson, Franklin, etc..

So then why is Jefferson, Jackson and Franklin on the money? I'm not arguing against having her on the money. I'm trying to understand how the people on the money qualify to go there. How are they selected? What are the criteria?

 

[laughing dog]

I can contrast it with Swedish money. We have no statesmen at all on Swedish money. It's all just famous entertainers. None of them are famous for anything of any consequence other than just making Swedes happy. That's the theme of Swedish money. That's my point. There's a theme. If there's a theme on the money and one person on the bills stick out like a sore thumb, you draw attention to that. If Harriet Tubman is on the money, won't everbody think that the black person on the bills is the only one on the money who didn't have any power. How isn't that a racist act? How isn't it just drawing attention to blacks lack of political power in USA? While true, is hardly aspirational. Aren't these guys supposed to be heroes to emulate? Is my train of thought crazy?

Not just crazy, full blown crackhead nonsense nutter. Unless you think wealth and personal power are the only things people should aspire to, your comment is absurd. Tubman personally helped rescue many hundreds of lives from the bondage a slavery, including playing a central lead role in a military Union assault that freed 750 slaves, and met with a General and prompted him to create a regiment of freed slaves against Lincolns wrongheaded wishes. Alone the direct impact of these are a greater more important contributions to US society, than that of 99.9% of it's population, accomplished despite having less wealth and power than almost all of them. In addition, she was a massive cultural changing inspiration to the people of her time and to people ever since. She was well known and a hero to many during her lifetime, had a biography written about her, and the US senate voted on a bill to pay her for her war services, which highlights her inspirational impact even on the political elite.

She used her cultural status to garner support for abolition, and suffrage for both blacks and for women. Actual democracy did not exist in the US until women and blacks could vote, so Tubman arguably did as much or more to create an actual democracy in the US than any of those on US currency.

Tubman was not a powerful member of the political elite, b/c racism and sexism (and not actual accomplishment and merit) determined who was among their ranks. In terms of the individual merit of accomplishing more with one's own efforts relative to the opportunities one had given their birth circumstances, she far outshines most of the founding fathers.

It is hard to imagine any informed and ethical person who wouldn't hold up Tubman as the epitome of what it is to be a true American willing to self sacrifice to advance the real core philosophical principles that define America and the whole progress of the post-Enlightenment western civilization, to at least if not far greater extent than Jefferson, Jackson, Franklin, etc..

So then why is Jefferson, Jackson and Franklin on the money? I'm not arguing against having her on the money. I'm trying to understand how the people on the money qualify to go there. How are they selected? What are the criteria?

According to this site (https://biography.yourdictionary.com/articles/benjamin-franklin-hundred-dollar.html) this no record for the past criterion used to select the people. The only legal restriction is no living person.

 

[Gospel]

I don't care if they put MC Hammer on the $20.00. I've been looking at faces on money that most likely had a family member somewhere down my blood line killed for eating a goddamn cookie. Anyone not on the enforcement side of slavery would be nice. Oh and sorry to sound like an ass, but I don't think the choice of what black person to put on US Currency should be made or debated by white people. Yall enjoy this thread now buh bye.

White people didn't make this decision. Obama did. Biden is just carrying out the change that Obama initiated. It was racist Trump who tried to stop it.

But, I do think it's okay for anyone to discuss this regardless of their skin color. I'm an MLK fan. I love his idealistic quote about not judging anyone by the color of their skin. That may never happen in reality, but it's an excellent ideal to support and have as a personal goal.

Yeah discussing & debating it is cool. I was trippin . There was something about discussion/debating the choice of Harriet Tubman considering what's already on our currency that pissed me off. I was grossly out of line but not sorry if that makes sense?

 

[Gospel]

I can contrast it with Swedish money. We have no statesmen at all on Swedish money. It's all just famous entertainers. None of them are famous for anything of any consequence other than just making Swedes happy. That's the theme of Swedish money. That's my point. There's a theme. If there's a theme on the money and one person on the bills stick out like a sore thumb, you draw attention to that. If Harriet Tubman is on the money, won't everbody think that the black person on the bills is the only one on the money who didn't have any power. How isn't that a racist act? How isn't it just drawing attention to blacks lack of political power in USA? While true, is hardly aspirational. Aren't these guys supposed to be heroes to emulate? Is my train of thought crazy?

Not just crazy, full blown crackhead nonsense nutter. Unless you think wealth and personal power are the only things people should aspire to, your comment is absurd. Tubman personally helped rescue many hundreds of lives from the bondage a slavery, including playing a central lead role in a military Union assault that freed 750 slaves, and met with a General and prompted him to create a regiment of freed slaves against Lincolns wrongheaded wishes. Alone the direct impact of these are a greater more important contributions to US society, than that of 99.9% of it's population, accomplished despite having less wealth and power than almost all of them. In addition, she was a massive cultural changing inspiration to the people of her time and to people ever since. She was well known and a hero to many during her lifetime, had a biography written about her, and the US senate voted on a bill to pay her for her war services, which highlights her inspirational impact even on the political elite.

She used her cultural status to garner support for abolition, and suffrage for both blacks and for women. Actual democracy did not exist in the US until women and blacks could vote, so Tubman arguably did as much or more to create an actual democracy in the US than any of those on US currency.

Tubman was not a powerful member of the political elite, b/c racism and sexism (and not actual accomplishment and merit) determined who was among their ranks. In terms of the individual merit of accomplishing more with one's own efforts relative to the opportunities one had given their birth circumstances, she far outshines most of the founding fathers.

It is hard to imagine any informed and ethical person who wouldn't hold up Tubman as the epitome of what it is to be a true American willing to self sacrifice to advance the real core philosophical principles that define America and the whole progress of the post-Enlightenment western civilization, to at least if not far greater extent than Jefferson, Jackson, Franklin, etc..

So then why is Jefferson, Jackson and Franklin on the money? I'm not arguing against having her on the money. I'm trying to understand how the people on the money qualify to go there. How are they selected? What are the criteria?

Do you not see what they all have in common? They're all HY"S

 

[Jayjay]

Here's an idea. Term limits for people in currency. Instead of just changing Jackson to Tubman, make a long term plan to rotate all the faces at specific predetermined intervals. For example, every 5 years change the face on one of the denominations. Each mug gets to be in the limelight for 35 years.

 

[ideologyhunter]

I have a more than generous proposal, I believe. Let's take this to reconciliation:
1) Tubman on the 20
2) Trump on Cottonelle Flushable Wipes
3) Lindsey G. on Vagisil cream (extra strength)
4) Cruz on douche bulbs
5) Franklin Graham on Imodium

 

[Gospel]

I have a more than generous proposal, I believe. Let's take this to reconciliation:
1) Tubman on the 20
2) Trump on Cottonelle Flushable Wipes
3) Lindsey G. on Vagisil cream (extra strength)
4) Cruz on douche bulbs
5) Franklin Graham on Imodium

Nope, no deal. Nobody's willing to share the same planet with Lindsay or Cruz much less allow anything resembling them to touch our private parts.