Hillary Can't Win

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Hillary Clinton just can’t win: Democrats need to accept that only Bernie Sanders can defeat the GOP

When Salon turns on a Democrat, you know that Democrat is in trouble.

 

[ZiprHead]

Dayum!

 

[TV and credit cards]

Gotta admit, Bernie and The Donald would match up well in a debate on foreign affairs. I'd still give Bernie the edge. He'd take it on pronunciation.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Or she could win without any trouble.

One or the other.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/01/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-poll/index.html

Buried in this poll result news story is the fact that Hillary Clinton, though beating Trump in general election poll, is trailing both Cruz and Rubio. If Trump loses the nomination, Hillary is likely to lose the general election? Meanwhile Bernie is polled to beat whoever the Republicans put up. So why isn't this being shouted from the rooftops that Hillary can't win? Seems like it should be the focus of Sanders' adds.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/01/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-poll/index.html

Buried in this poll result news story is the fact that Hillary Clinton, though beating Trump in general election poll, is trailing both Cruz and Rubio. If Trump loses the nomination, Hillary is likely to lose the general election? Meanwhile Bernie is polled to beat whoever the Republicans put up. So why isn't this being shouted from the rooftops that Hillary can't win? Seems like it should be the focus of Sanders' adds.

Simply don't believe those polls and not in a Republican "The Whole World is Crazy, Mitt Romney is going to win" sort of way. I don't think there is a real stable poll between Clinton and a Rubio (her best competition) and Cruz. Besides, once it is one on one, Clinton will clean the floor with those two. She had to get the rust off with Sanders, who is a mile better candidate than whomever the Republicans put forth.

 

[Jarhyn]

As it stands, I actually think that no, Hillary can't win.

The thing is, nobody cares about her emails *right now* because the Republican party and conservatives in general are afraid of Sanders, so they want to wait until he is off the table. Just give us a WEEK after primaries are over, and I guarantee it'll be all anyone on the news is talking about. Or, maybe some.new dirt will surface. She's probably got plenty, knowing how much of a fucking schill she is. Or maybe that'll be the thing. How much of a dishonest wishy washy unprincipled liar she is. Whatever works. The republicans have an echo chamber to amplify such attacks that the DFL just doesn't. The "liberal" news media has been emasculated over the course of the last 5 elections, and I don't see it suddenly getting a clue now.

The take home is that she doesn't have the background it would take to go another 8 months, especially not without the spectre of Sanders on the ballot. And Eve. If she drops out, that hurts the party even more with the unclean handoff back to Sanders or more likely some other schlub because Bernie scares the hardliners in the DFL as much as he does the GOP.

It's either Bernie now, or bust.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Naw. Hillary Clinton is like the Denver Broncos. Not much in the way of any offense, but stout enough defensively to keep the other team from winning.

 

[Shadowy Man]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/01/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-poll/index.html

Buried in this poll result news story is the fact that Hillary Clinton, though beating Trump in general election poll, is trailing both Cruz and Rubio. If Trump loses the nomination, Hillary is likely to lose the general election? Meanwhile Bernie is polled to beat whoever the Republicans put up. So why isn't this being shouted from the rooftops that Hillary can't win? Seems like it should be the focus of Sanders' adds.

With polls that good we don't need elections.

 

[Jarhyn]

Naw. Hillary Clinton is like the Denver Broncos. Not much in the way of any offense, but stout enough defensively to keep the other team from winning.

It isn't about her, or her composure. She could be the second coming of Christ and the republicans would cruxify her over herhaphazard voting record, her pending investigations, and her lack of experience. The PERSON of Hillary Clinton doesn't matter against the reality that the republicans have had 8 years to build an attack strategy, and it doesn't help her one bit that she made it easy for them.

All it takes is one 'flip flopper' or 'unprincipled' or 'bungler' or some other successful viral smear to sink her, mostly because she has a long history of all those and more.

 

[Rhea]

Naw. Hillary Clinton is like the Denver Broncos. Not much in the way of any offense, but stout enough defensively to keep the other team from winning.

It isn't about her, or her composure. She could be the second coming of Christ and the republicans would cruxify her over herhaphazard voting record, her pending investigations, and her lack of experience. The PERSON of Hillary Clinton doesn't matter against the reality that the republicans have had 8 years to build an attack strategy, and it doesn't help her one bit that she made it easy for them.

All it takes is one 'flip flopper' or 'unprincipled' or 'bungler' or some other successful viral smear to sink her, mostly because she has a long history of all those and more.

Do you think they will refrain from doing the same to Bernie?
Why do you think that?

I expect them to come out with huge guns for him, too. Mamby pamby communist hippie do nothing old man.
The e-mail thing for Hillary will show that Rice and Powell had _exactly_ the same sins. And defuse through that.

So... I think both will be hit with every awful thing they've got. And I think both would weather it.

 

[untermensche]

Gotta admit, Bernie and The Donald would match up well in a debate on foreign affairs. I'd still give Bernie the edge. He'd take it on pronunciation.

Yes I see it now.

Bernie: "We have to stop starting wars all over the world."

Trump: "You're an old socialist."

Millions cheer.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Gotta admit, Bernie and The Donald would match up well in a debate on foreign affairs. I'd still give Bernie the edge. He'd take it on pronunciation.

Yes I see it now.

Bernie: "We have to stop starting wars all over the world."

Trump: "You're an old socialist."

Millions cheer.

It'd be a step up from the Republican debates.
Trump: Cruz, go fuck yourself.
Cruz: No, fuck you!
Rubio: You both can go fuck off!
Carson: I'm so hungry I could fuck a fruit salad.

 

[untermensche]

Yes I see it now.

Bernie: "We have to stop starting wars all over the world."

Trump: "You're an old socialist."

Millions cheer.

It'd be a step up from the Republican debates.
Trump: Cruz, go fuck yourself.
Cruz: No, fuck you!
Rubio: You both can go fuck off!
Carson: I'm so hungry I could fuck a fruit salad.

That's like saying eating horse shit is a step up from eating cow shit.

To be clear. Trump poisons the whole process.

 

[Derec]

Gotta admit, Bernie and The Donald would match up well in a debate on foreign affairs. I'd still give Bernie the edge. He'd take it on pronunciation.

Yes I see it now.

Bernie: "We have to stop starting wars all over the world."

Trump: "You're an old socialist."

Millions cheer.

You forgot *makes silly face*

 

[Tom Sawyer]

It isn't about her, or her composure. She could be the second coming of Christ and the republicans would cruxify her over herhaphazard voting record, her pending investigations, and her lack of experience. The PERSON of Hillary Clinton doesn't matter against the reality that the republicans have had 8 years to build an attack strategy, and it doesn't help her one bit that she made it easy for them.

All it takes is one 'flip flopper' or 'unprincipled' or 'bungler' or some other successful viral smear to sink her, mostly because she has a long history of all those and more.

Do you think they will refrain from doing the same to Bernie?
Why do you think that?

I expect them to come out with huge guns for him, too. Mamby pamby communist hippie do nothing old man.
The e-mail thing for Hillary will show that Rice and Powell had _exactly_ the same sins. And defuse through that.

So... I think both will be hit with every awful thing they've got. And I think both would weather it.

Additionally, it's not like they have dirt on Clinton that they've been keeping in their back pocket for the past twenty years. They've been constantly hitting her with everything that they've got and she's survived and prospered. The email thing is a dud, she's been a Senator and a Secretary of State so the experience thing is a dud and she'll most likely be going up against Donald Trump so the opponent thing is a dud.

How Sanders would withstand the GOP attack machine is an unknown, since he's never been on the receiving end of anything like it (as far as I know). He would likely weather it, but it's not the guarantee that you get with Clinton.

 

[untermensche]

Do you think they will refrain from doing the same to Bernie?
Why do you think that?

I expect them to come out with huge guns for him, too. Mamby pamby communist hippie do nothing old man.
The e-mail thing for Hillary will show that Rice and Powell had _exactly_ the same sins. And defuse through that.

So... I think both will be hit with every awful thing they've got. And I think both would weather it.

Additionally, it's not like they have dirt on Clinton that they've been keeping in their back pocket for the past twenty years. They've been constantly hitting her with everything that they've got and she's survived and prospered. The email thing is a dud, she's been a Senator and a Secretary of State so the experience thing is a dud and she'll most likely be going up against Donald Trump so the opponent thing is a dud.

How Sanders would withstand the GOP attack machine is an unknown, since he's never been on the receiving end of anything like it (as far as I know). He would likely weather it, but it's not the guarantee that you get with Clinton.

Clinton's negatives outweigh her positives while Bernie's positives outweigh his negatives.

You say Bernie has never withstood such an incredible attack.

The American people have not in a long time been given a choice like Bernie.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Additionally, it's not like they have dirt on Clinton that they've been keeping in their back pocket for the past twenty years. They've been constantly hitting her with everything that they've got and she's survived and prospered. The email thing is a dud, she's been a Senator and a Secretary of State so the experience thing is a dud and she'll most likely be going up against Donald Trump so the opponent thing is a dud.

How Sanders would withstand the GOP attack machine is an unknown, since he's never been on the receiving end of anything like it (as far as I know). He would likely weather it, but it's not the guarantee that you get with Clinton.

Clinton's negatives outweigh her positives while Bernie's positives outweigh his negatives.

You say Bernie has never withstood such an incredible attack.

Dude, were you alive when Howard Dean was a candidate in '04?

The American people have not in a long time been given a choice like Bernie.

Actually they have. And generally they don't make it too far, other than McGovern (but Rat Phucking led to that nomination). Ask Gary Hart about the press.

 

[Terrell]

As it stands, I actually think that no, Hillary can't win.

The thing is, nobody cares about her emails *right now* because the Republican party and conservatives in general are afraid of Sanders, so they want to wait until he is off the table. Just give us a WEEK after primaries are over, and I guarantee it'll be all anyone on the news is talking about. Or, maybe some.new dirt will surface. She's probably got plenty, knowing how much of a fucking schill she is. Or maybe that'll be the thing. How much of a dishonest wishy washy unprincipled liar she is. Whatever works. The republicans have an echo chamber to amplify such attacks that the DFL just doesn't. The "liberal" news media has been emasculated over the course of the last 5 elections, and I don't see it suddenly getting a clue now.

The take home is that she doesn't have the background it would take to go another 8 months, especially not without the spectre of Sanders on the ballot. And Eve. If she drops out, that hurts the party even more with the unclean handoff back to Sanders or more likely some other schlub because Bernie scares the hardliners in the DFL as much as he does the GOP.

It's either Bernie now, or bust.

I've already heard negative ads directed at Hillary here, from some group called "Future 45". CNN says they're of Republican origin. If Bernie were in the lead there would likely be ads against him; they'd just attack him differently.

I have seen a few positive ads from Bernie Sanders & Hillary Clinton here as well.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

As it stands, I actually think that no, Hillary can't win.

The thing is, nobody cares about her emails *right now* because the Republican party and conservatives in general are afraid of Sanders, so they want to wait until he is off the table. Just give us a WEEK after primaries are over, and I guarantee it'll be all anyone on the news is talking about. Or, maybe some.new dirt will surface. She's probably got plenty, knowing how much of a fucking schill she is. Or maybe that'll be the thing. How much of a dishonest wishy washy unprincipled liar she is. Whatever works. The republicans have an echo chamber to amplify such attacks that the DFL just doesn't. The "liberal" news media has been emasculated over the course of the last 5 elections, and I don't see it suddenly getting a clue now.

The take home is that she doesn't have the background it would take to go another 8 months, especially not without the spectre of Sanders on the ballot. And Eve. If she drops out, that hurts the party even more with the unclean handoff back to Sanders or more likely some other schlub because Bernie scares the hardliners in the DFL as much as he does the GOP.

It's either Bernie now, or bust.

I've already heard negative ads directed at Hillary here, from some group called "Future 45". CNN says they're of Republican origin. If Bernie were in the lead there would likely be ads against him; they'd just attack him differently.

I have seen a few positive ads from Bernie Sanders & Hillary Clinton here as well.

Odd goodness, you poor thing. Florida. One of the only states worse to live in than Ohio during an election year. There should be a support group.