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Hillary Clinton Derail From Religion Of Libertarianism

" Routing? "

That's the word I used and you repeated instead of answering the question. So let's keep going back to it until you do.

What is Trump's excuse? Detail everything Trump failed to accomplish that lead to his routing in the midterms.
 
What was Clinton's excuse

Whataboutism? What a shock. :rolleyes:

I don't know what his excuse was, but like Obama, Clinton inherited a desperately failing economy, record unemployment and a now quaint $300 billion deficit (hence the winning phrase, "It's the economy, stupid"). And then there was this:

His campaign promise to reform the nation's health care system was soundly defeated. His controversial executive order lifting the ban against homosexuals in the military enraged conservatives and failed to generate significant public support. Clinton's work on behalf of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) split the Democrats, many of whom feared the loss of jobs to Mexico and Canada.

So, what were Trump's failings?

Trump's excuse would be just as valid as most incumbents lose seats in midterm elections.

So what is it? Detail everything Trump failed to accomplish that lead to his routing in the midterms.

" Routing? " A loss of approx 30 seats as compared to Obama's 60 seat loss is by far not a " routing!"
It's 40 seats. The fact that you can't get such simple facts even close is pretty indicative of...well, something.
 

So any reporting of facts about the greatest threat to human dignity and freedom, perhaps it's very existence are crackpots? Got it!

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Whataboutism? What a shock. :rolleyes:

I don't know what his excuse was, but like Obama, Clinton inherited a desperately failing economy, record unemployment and a now quaint $300 billion deficit (hence the winning phrase, "It's the economy, stupid"). And then there was this:

His campaign promise to reform the nation's health care system was soundly defeated. His controversial executive order lifting the ban against homosexuals in the military enraged conservatives and failed to generate significant public support. Clinton's work on behalf of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) split the Democrats, many of whom feared the loss of jobs to Mexico and Canada.

So, what were Trump's failings?

Trump's excuse would be just as valid as most incumbents lose seats in midterm elections.

So what is it? Detail everything Trump failed to accomplish that lead to his routing in the midterms.

" Routing? " A loss of approx 30 seats as compared to Obama's 60 seat loss is by far not a " routing!"
It's 40 seats. The fact that you can't get such simple facts even close is pretty indicative of...well, something.

He lost both houses remember!
 
" Routing? " A loss of approx 30 seats as compared to Obama's 60 seat loss is by far not a " routing!"

"At least 39" is NOT "approximately 30". And the Trumpsuckers had a dream map this round, especially for the Senate. Yet 2 seats was all they could manage.
Yes, it was a rout. Denial is not a river in Egypt, dude.
 
" Routing? " A loss of approx 30 seats as compared to Obama's 60 seat loss is by far not a " routing!"

"At least 39" is NOT "approximately 30". And the Trumpsuckers had a dream map this round, especially for the Senate. Yet 2 seats was all they could manage.
Yes, it was a rout. Denial is not a river in Egypt, dude.

That, and a solid round of gerrymandering and the differences in the districts and seats up for election this year also both played big parts. There was a HUGE blue turnout this election cycle, and a lot of that was absorbed by gerrymandering. Saying "oh, it wasn't a major sign of sea change" just because one side rigged the system specifically to prevent the will of the electorate from being made manifest doesn't change the realities of that will, and neither does the fact that there were far fewer republicans seats up for grabs this time around. The fact that the Senate didn't change further to the red, in this situation, is itself a "blue wave" win.
 
" Routing? " A loss of approx 30 seats as compared to Obama's 60 seat loss is by far not a " routing!"

"At least 39" is NOT "approximately 30". And the Trumpsuckers had a dream map this round, especially for the Senate. Yet 2 seats was all they could manage.
Yes, it was a rout. Denial is not a river in Egypt, dude.

That, and a solid round of gerrymandering and the differences in the districts and seats up for election this year also both played big parts. There was a HUGE blue turnout this election cycle, and a lot of that was absorbed by gerrymandering. Saying "oh, it wasn't a major sign of sea change" just because one side rigged the system specifically to prevent the will of the electorate from being made manifest doesn't change the realities of that will, and neither does the fact that there were far fewer republicans seats up for grabs this time around. The fact that the Senate didn't change further to the red, in this situation, is itself a "blue wave" win.
Exactly. Wisconsin is a perfect example. Dems netted around 9% more total votes. With gerrymandering, the GOP still controls about 60% of the seats in the state.
 
Why are you feeding this __oll?

Every once in a while, shit just needs kicking.

Very true. Shit does happen!
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-approval-rating-obama-higher-1054927

That was from August of this year, genius, comparing Trump's then approval rating (50%) to Obama's at the same time period--August of 2010--in their respective presidencies.

As has been repeatedly pointed out to you, Obama inherited one of the worst recessions in US history with record unemployment (around 10% or more depending on how you measured it) that had barely moved an inch in that year (and to get it to move, he compromised on a stimulus package that many on the left saw as appealing to Republicans); in spite of having ultimately won the battle, he had been embroiled in a deeply divisive, overly complicated and bitterly fought war--with many from within his own party no less--over the most comprehensive-to-date healthcare reform ever implemented; was facing the Deepwater Horizon oil spill, the explosion and subsequent deaths of 29 coal miners in West Virginia (and the subsequent focus on coal and labor and what they portended for America's domestic future) and the BP oil disaster all within the months leading up to August; got publicly shamed in his failed efforts to close Gitmo, one of his main campaign promises; ended Don't Ask, Don't Tell, thereby allowing homo-SEX-shuals to be openly gay in the military; signed into law the extremely unpopular (to Wall Street, and therefore to Republicans) Dodd-Frank bill; escalated the Afghan war he promised to end; and was, you know, black (and a "muslim" born in Kenya) so it's little wonder his overall approval would be down in August of 2010.

Right now, Trump's overall approval rating is at 42%, which is an eight point drop from your poll, just three months later.

What are his excuses?
 
It is not good news for anybody that Trump could actually have the approval of half the people asked.

He is an ignorant conman that doesn't have a clue or a plan.

That 50% could prefer an ignorant obnoxious lying style over any substance is not good news.
 
A problem with Dems and gerrymandering is that the Democrat Party supports it where it helps them. That makes their criticisms ring hollow. They should stand up on principle and oppose it entirely. Then more people may listen.
 
It is not good news for anybody that Trump could actually have the approval of half the people asked.

He is an ignorant conman that doesn't have a clue or a plan.

That 50% could prefer an ignorant obnoxious lying style over any substance is not good news.

As I pointed out, it is actually now at 42%.

Also, it's worth noting that the 50% number angelo posted (again, from August for some unknown reason), was from a Rasmussen Reports poll, which is a notoriously right-leaning polling organization. After the 2010 midterms, Nate Silver ranked them as the least accurate, with an average error of 5.8 points and a pro-Republican bias of 3.9 points. After the 2012 general election, Silver ranked them at 20th out of 23 for accuracy and notes a Republican bias of around 3.7 points and an average error rate of 4.2 points. In 2016 they ranked slightly better (as they merged with another company for obvious reasons), 12 out of 19, but with an average error rate of 5.1.

Iow, that 50% could just as easily also have been around 42% when you compensate for error and bias. And in the 2018 midterms they predicted that Republicans would win the House over Dems (46% to 45%).

And then, of course, when you dig deeper into Rasmussen's historical numbers, you see a consistent combined approval rating (i.e., "strongly approve" combined with just "approve") of under 50% for his entire presidency. There are only a handful of times (primarily in the first few months) that Trump ever breaks above 50% and then it's only by a few points.

And, then, finally, WaPo notes:

Until February, Rasmussen polls conducted on equivalent days showed Trump with a higher approval rating [than Obama] only twice. But all of this obscures an important detail. Rasmussen has historically been much friendlier to Trump — and less so to Obama — than most other pollsters.
 
A problem with Dems and gerrymandering is that the Democrat Party supports it where it helps them. That makes their criticisms ring hollow. They should stand up on principle and oppose it entirely. Then more people may listen.

Maybe some corporate neolibs support it somewhere in the politisphere, but here where the boots hit the ground, I don't see a single Dem supporting gerrymandering. All I see are Dems demanding independent nonpartisan districting commissions, as a explicit goal. But when I talk to any conservative on the subject it's all crickets and awkward silence and changed subjects. Quit that "both sides" bullshit.
 
A problem with Dems and gerrymandering is that the Democrat Party supports it where it helps them. That makes their criticisms ring hollow. They should stand up on principle and oppose it entirely. Then more people may listen.

You're kidding? Could you please provide a link that supports your assertion that the Democrat Party supports it?
 
A problem with Dems and gerrymandering is that the Democrat Party supports it where it helps them. That makes their criticisms ring hollow. They should stand up on principle and oppose it entirely. Then more people may listen.

Hypocrisy and Democrats go hand in hand! But leaving that aside for a moment. Most politicians from all sides are in the same barrel. But Americans, whether they approve of the Trumpet or not, dodged a bullet by rejecting Killery!
 
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