Koyaanisqatsi
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First of all, here is the actual podcast, which I'll bet even money no one itt has actually heard. It's a casual, long-form discussion and extremely insightful.
The section that has been jumped on begins at about the 34 minute mark and it's an extended conversation about using the third party as a strategy. And the "they" she is referring to is the Trump campaign.
Here is what she actually said (my translation; my bold):
So, it's a conversation about how the Trump campaign's strategy will be to throw whatever weight they can muster around supporting a third party candidate because they know it will only benefit his chances (and in conjunction with all of the other tricks they will be pulling, like voter suppression and the ongoing pro-Trump Russian activity) etc.
In regard to Gabbard in particular, the basis of her being the prime target for their support (both overt and covert)--and therefore an asset (not an "agent") the way Stein was an asset (not an "agent")--can be seen in what others have said about her:
It's not in any way an accusation that she is a Russian agent; it is an observation that she could be of significant use as an asset by the Trump campaign (which, of course, includes the Russians).
The section that has been jumped on begins at about the 34 minute mark and it's an extended conversation about using the third party as a strategy. And the "they" she is referring to is the Trump campaign.
Here is what she actually said (my translation; my bold):
David Plouffe: So one, it's connected to the discussion we just had, actually about social media earlier in our discussion, you know, Donald Trump, you know better than anyone in the world only got 46.1% of the vote nationally. You know he got 47.2 in Wisconsin, 47.7 in Michigan. If you had said those before the election, you would have said he's going to lose in a landslide. But one of the reasons he was able to win is the third party vote.
Hillary Clinton: Right
Plouffe: And what's clear to me, you mentioned, you know, he's gonna just lie. I mean, what he's gonna say, whoever our nominee is will ban hamburgers and steaks and life and infanticide and people believe this. So, how concerned are you about that? For me, so much of this does come down to the win number, of he has to get 49 or even 49.5...
Clinton: He can't get that.
Plouffe: And I think he can't, so he's going to try and drive people not to vote for him, but just, to say, you know, you can't vote for them either, and that seems to be, I think to the extent that I can define a strategy, their key strategy right now.
Clinton (35:13 mark): Well I think there's going to be two parts and I think it's going to be the same as 2016. Don't vote for the other guy. You don't like me, don't vote for the other guy, because the other guy is going to do X, Y and Z, or the other guy did such terrible things, I'm going to show you in these, you know, flashing videos that appear and then disappear and they're on the dark web and nobody can find them--but you're going to see them--and you're going to see that person doing these horrible things. They're also going to do third party again. And I'm not making any predictions, but I think they've got their eye on somebody who's currently in the Democratic primary and are grooming her to be the third party candidate. She's a favorite of the Russians. They have a bunch of sites and bots and other ways of supporting her so far. And that's assuming Jill Stein will give it up, which she might not, because she's also a Russian asset. Yeah, she's a Russian asset, I mean totally and so they know they can't win without a third party candidate. And so, I don't know who it's going to be but I will guarantee you, they'll have a vigorous third party challenge in the key states that they most needed.
So, it's a conversation about how the Trump campaign's strategy will be to throw whatever weight they can muster around supporting a third party candidate because they know it will only benefit his chances (and in conjunction with all of the other tricks they will be pulling, like voter suppression and the ongoing pro-Trump Russian activity) etc.
In regard to Gabbard in particular, the basis of her being the prime target for their support (both overt and covert)--and therefore an asset (not an "agent") the way Stein was an asset (not an "agent")--can be seen in what others have said about her:
Stephen K. Bannon, President Trump’s former chief strategist, is impressed with her political talent. Richard B. Spencer, the white nationalist leader, says he could vote for her. Former Representative Ron Paul praises her “libertarian instincts,” while Franklin Graham, the influential evangelist, finds her “refreshing.”
And far-right conspiracy theorists like Mike Cernovich see a certain MAGA sais quoi.
“She’s got a good energy, a good vibe. You feel like this is just a serious person,” Mr. Cernovich said. “She seems very Trumpian.”
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She is now injecting a bit of chaos into her own party’s primary race, threatening to boycott that debate to protest what she sees as a “rigging” of the 2020 election. That’s left some Democrats wondering what, exactly, she is up to in the race, while others worry about supportive signs from online bot activity and the Russian news media.
Perhaps strangest of all is the unusual array of Americans who cannot seem to get enough of her.
On podcasts and online videos, in interviews and Twitter feeds, alt-right internet stars, white nationalists, libertarian activists and some of the biggest boosters of Mr. Trump heap praise on Ms. Gabbard. They like the Hawaiian congresswoman’s isolationist foreign policy views. They like her support for drug decriminalization. They like what she sees as censorship by big technology platforms.
Then there is 4chan, the notoriously toxic online message board, where some right-wing trolls and anti-Semites fawn over Ms. Gabbard, calling her “Mommy” and praising her willingness to criticize Israel. In April, the Daily Stormer, a neo-Nazi website, took credit for Ms. Gabbard’s qualification for the first two Democratic primary debates.
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Ms. Gabbard has disavowed some of her most hateful supporters, castigating the news media for giving “any oxygen at all” to the endorsement she won from the white nationalist leader David Duke. But her frequent appearances on Tucker Carlson’s Fox News show have buoyed her support in right-wing circles.
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Democrats are on high alert about foreign interference in the next election and the D.N.C. is well aware of the frequent mentions of Ms. Gabbard in the Russian state news media.
An independent analysis of the Russian news media found that RT, the Kremlin-backed news agency, mentioned Ms. Gabbard frequently for a candidate polling in single digits, according to data collected by the Alliance for Securing Democracy, a group that seeks to track and expose efforts by authoritarian regimes to undermine democratic elections.
Disinformation experts have also pointed to instances of suspicious activity surrounding Ms. Gabbard’s campaign — in particular, a Twitter hashtag, #KamalaHarrisDestroyed, that trended among Ms. Gabbard’s supporters after the first Democratic debate, and appeared to be amplified by a coordinated network of bot-like accounts — but there is no evidence of coordination between these networks and the campaign itself.
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Ms. Gabbard’s fans are especially sensitive to claims that she is supported by Russian bots and amplified by the Russian state-funded news media outlets — a conspiracy theory, they say, that is designed to delegitimize her campaign and her foreign policy views.
“This whole thing the Democratic Party has done by putting forward this false idea that there was collusion between Russia and Trump has hurt our relations in a huge way with the Russians,” Mr. Graham said. “I can’t speak for Tulsi, but I think she feels kind of the same way on some of these things.”
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While Ms. Gabbard has opposed recent military interventions in the Middle East, she has developed relationships with leaders known for their authoritarian tendencies. She touts her support for Prime Minister Narendra Modi of India, who has empowered Hindu fundamentalists at great cost to India’s minorities. Ms. Gabbard also met with Egypt’s strongman leader, Abdel Fattah el-Sisi, during a 2015 trip to Paris with Dana Rohrabacher, a former Republican congressman known for his ties to Russians.
Most controversially, she has repeatedly defended the brutal Syrian dictator, Bashar al-Assad, whom she met in January 2017.
Those positions confound even some of her former Republican supporters.
Rabbi Shmuley Boteach, a pro-Israel activist who founded the World Values Network, said he first met Ms. Gabbard through Senator Cory Booker of New Jersey, who brought the congresswoman to dinner at a kosher restaurant in Washington.
His group, which is funded by the Republican megadonors Sheldon and Miriam Adelson, awarded Ms. Gabbard their “Champion of Freedom Award” at their annual gala in 2016. A picture from the event shows a grinning Ms. Gabbard posing with Rabbi Boteach and Ms. Adelson.
In the three years since, Ms. Gabbard has criticized Israel for its reaction to protests, met with Mr. Assad and made several statements defending his regime.
“To have a moral woman like Tulsi who is a military hero suddenly sit with a man who did that was inexplicable,” Rabbi Boteach said. “I don’t understand it until today. I can’t figure her out.”
It's not in any way an accusation that she is a Russian agent; it is an observation that she could be of significant use as an asset by the Trump campaign (which, of course, includes the Russians).
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