Holy Crap - The Revolution is about to start

[Gospel]

If the left has to trump up Trump's badness so egregiously, it makes it seem like it's crying wolf. He's already bad enough that nobody should have to exaggerate it.

I think the Democrat voters concerns are largely driven by a genuine fear of repeating Germany’s historical mistake of not confronting authoritarian threats early on, rather than simply aiming to smear Trump. And it’s not as though Trump hasn’t given them reasons for alarm. For example the Russia investigation, which he labeled a 'witch hunt,' was triggered by suspicious behavior on his part. As I’ve mentioned before, when he had a meeting with Putin that typically requires security detail and official records but chose to meet privately without oversight, I expected people to be suspicious. . While the investigation didn’t conclude that Trump colluded with Russia, it did uncover actions that landed figures like Paul Manafort, Michael Flynn, and Roger Stone in serious trouble. I personally don’t see alarmist rhetoric as problematic, so long as it doesn’t dehumanize a group of people and remains focused on the parties actually involved.


Democrats criticize Trump specifically = Good
Trump labels all Democrats as bad = Bad

Republicans criticize Kamala specifically = Good
Kamala labeling all Republicans as bad = Bad (though I haven’t seen this)

It's different.

"Deplorables"

Harris said that?

 

[Elixir]

Dude, seriously, that is LITERALLY WHAT AN EXISTENTIAL THREAT IS!!!!!!

Is English your first language?
When someone says (truthfully) that Trump is an “existential threat to democracy”, it doesn’t mean “OMFG HE IS GONNA KILL ME!!”
It means Trump poses a threat to the existence of democracy. Can you wrap your brain around that?

Would you be more comfortable if someone said “trump intends to bring an end to American democracy”? Is “existential” too big a word to apply to a democracy? Even though it has existence? Literally?

OMG. I didn't suggest that Trump was going to kill you or any individual person, JFC this is ridiculous.

My bad for assuming that death - or non-life - would be a feature of non-existence.

 

[Elixir]

On Saturday, FEMA workers had to halt their work in Rutherford County due to reports that National Guard troops saw “armed militia” threatening the workers, according to the Washington Post, which cited an email to federal agencies helping with the response, verified by unnamed federal officials. It’s not clear if the threat was credible. FEMA Pauses efforts due to threats

I can only imagine what is going to happen if Trump loses.

Hopefully just some stupid shit, yearlong body count in the tens. By then the remaining MAGAt militants will be brought under control, assuming a correct response. Political violence is worse than property damage.

 

[Tigers!]

What other option do I have.

.......
But personally I have no other plans than I had in 2016, other than to go full cash before he crashes the stock market again.

I must have missed the time(s) the stock market crashed during the Trump presidency. Do you have some links to those occurrences? I did find this though

 

[ZiprHead]

But the rhetoric coming from the left is also purposefully harmful and misleading.

Some examples, please.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

This has been framed as an "existential threat" to the nation, by someone who intends to become a dictator acting within a fascist state.

What do you think is going to happen if Trump wins the election?

For me? Depression. Coming to the realization that "They are eating the pets" is enough to engage enough voters to swing an election to him.

I just hope, if he does pull it off, that it is known on election night. Then hope I can sleep. I couldn't sleep Election Night in 2016 and just went to work 3 AM. It was quite depressing to have been so wrong about America.

Are you going to sit idly by and say "Oh, well, it was a fair election, the people have spoken"?

What other option do I have. I'm not a narcissist. It really would suck that people would in large enough numbers support the man who tried to overthrow the results of the last one. But in 2024, there will be no hope in the world the results would right itself, so pretty stuck with hoping there is enough inertia in the Bureaucracy to hold Project 2025 back.

My concern is that there are enough people who are NOT like you, and who WILL engage in violence.

So you make up an outlandish (both sides) hypothesis and when people aren't supporting, you just keep assuming your baseless assumptions are accurate.

Par for the course I suppose.

 

[laughing dog]

What other option do I have.

.......
But personally I have no other plans than I had in 2016, other than to go full cash before he crashes the stock market again.

I must have missed the time(s) the stock market crashed during the Trump presidency. Do you have some links to those occurrences? I did find this though

Yes you did miss it. September 2018 - the S&P started to drop and bottomed out by almost 20% by Christmas ( List_of_stock_market_crashes_and_bear_markets).
[Mod edit: URL fix]

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

What other option do I have.

.......
But personally I have no other plans than I had in 2016, other than to go full cash before he crashes the stock market again.

I must have missed the time(s) the stock market crashed during the Trump presidency. Do you have some links to those occurrences? I did find this though

Yes you did miss it. September 2018 - the S&P started to drop and bottomed out by almost 20% by Christmas ( List_of_stock_market_crashes_and_bear_markets.).

link

Down 10% for the year. The worst since the Great Recession. Trump did goods.

 

[Elixir]

What other option do I have.

.......
But personally I have no other plans than I had in 2016, other than to go full cash before he crashes the stock market again.

I must have missed the time(s) the stock market crashed during the Trump presidency. Do you have some links to those occurrences? I did find this though

March 2020

 

[Emily Lake]

But the rhetoric coming from the left is also purposefully harmful and misleading.

Some examples, please.

Read the thread

Of course, I don't expect it to do any good, because you won't be able to see the implicit harm in the repeated call to arms of Trump being an existential threat, or the misleading nature of intentionally transforming "dictator for one day to do this specific thing" said with a laugh into "going to be a tyrant dictator for life". And of course, you will be incapable of even considering the potential ramifications of framing the entirety of the GOP as trying to turn the US into a fascist state, and all of their supporters are nazi/bigot/fascist/racist/deplorables.

Your inability to recognize the risk in those messages is not my problem to solve for you.

I suppose we'll see. If Harris wins and a bunch of republicans launch some violence, neither of us will be surprised. If Trump wins and a bunch of democrats launch some violence, I'll be here to say "I told you so" since you have convinced yourself that's not a plausible outcome.

 

[Emily Lake]

So you make up an outlandish (both sides) hypothesis and when people aren't supporting, you just keep assuming your baseless assumptions are accurate.

Sure, sure... progressives and leftists NEVER engage in unwarranted violence.

 

[Emily Lake]

What other option do I have.

.......
But personally I have no other plans than I had in 2016, other than to go full cash before he crashes the stock market again.

I must have missed the time(s) the stock market crashed during the Trump presidency. Do you have some links to those occurrences? I did find this though

Yes you did miss it. September 2018 - the S&P started to drop and bottomed out by almost 20% by Christmas ( List_of_stock_market_crashes_and_bear_markets.).

"Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name. Please search for List of stock market crashes and bear markets. in Wikipedia to check for alternative titles or spellings."

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

But the rhetoric coming from the left is also purposefully harmful and misleading.

Some examples, please.

Read the thread

Of course, I don't expect it to do any good, because you won't be able to see the implicit harm in the repeated call to arms of Trump being an existential threat, or the misleading nature of intentionally transforming "dictator for one day to do this specific thing" said with a laugh into "going to be a tyrant dictator for life".

You don't seem to appreciate that no one has spoken like him, to my knowledge, regarding such things.

And of course, you will be incapable of even considering the potential ramifications of framing the entirety of the GOP as trying to turn the US into a fascist state, and all of their supporters are nazi/bigot/fascist/racist/deplorables.

I think ZiprHead would like receipts on that specifically. I know I've called out the differing folks in the GOP and their differing motives for voting for Trump.

Your inability to recognize the risk in those messages is not my problem to solve for you.

But you are the one claiming it is a risk, an obvious one at that. So bad, you seem ascertain that Democrats will commit acts of violence if Trump wins. Of course, I don't expect Harris to actually not concede the election. Unlike Trump who never conceded officially, but knew he lost, and lied to his supporters for money and rioting.

I suppose we'll see.

Do we? We saw in 2020 (someone died, National Guard called in). We also saw in 2016 (minor protests and arrests, but quaint).

If Harris wins and a bunch of republicans launch some violence, neither of us will be surprised.

Because it already happened. I'm also not sold that there will be violence. Just that Trump is telling his supporters not to trust the results of the election and that his Presidency is a fait accompli. Harris isn't saying if she loses it'll be because of fraud. THAT IS THE KEY DIFFERENCE!

If Trump wins and a bunch of democrats launch some violence, I'll be here to say "I told you so" since you have convinced yourself that's not a plausible outcome.

Has Ziprhead said that, or has Ziprhead said the people aren't being instigated into violence by Democrats, like Trump supporters on the morning of January 6th with actual violent rhetoric.?

 

[Elixir]

maybe you should write the Wikipedia article @Emily Lake.
You can use the historical graph I provided as a starting point.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

So you make up an outlandish (both sides) hypothesis and when people aren't supporting, you just keep assuming your baseless assumptions are accurate.

Sure, sure... progressives and leftists NEVER engage in unwarranted violence.

Skipping the peculiarity of you including the adjective "unwarranted" for violence, that wasn't your actual claim.

You were claiming that the DNC is inciting violence with their rhetoric. Yet, Harris isn't saying the election is all her's and it only goes to Trump via election fraud, where as Trump actually is.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

What other option do I have.

.......
But personally I have no other plans than I had in 2016, other than to go full cash before he crashes the stock market again.

I must have missed the time(s) the stock market crashed during the Trump presidency. Do you have some links to those occurrences? I did find this though

Yes you did miss it. September 2018 - the S&P started to drop and bottomed out by almost 20% by Christmas ( List_of_stock_market_crashes_and_bear_markets.).

"Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name. Please search for List of stock market crashes and bear markets. in Wikipedia to check for alternative titles or spellings."

It is worth noting that most of the largest single day declines (gross) occurred during the Trump Administration. Of the 15, 10 were during his 4 year administration. Covid economic issues can excuse two of those, leaving 8 of the 15 largest single day drops (gross) during the Trump Administration. These are gross drops, however, and percentage would be a fairer measuring stick.

 

[Elixir]

So you make up an outlandish (both sides) hypothesis and when people aren't supporting, you just keep assuming your baseless assumptions are accurate.

Sure, sure... progressives and leftists NEVER engage in unwarranted violence.

Skipping the peculiarity of you including the adjective "unwarranted" for violence, that wasn't your actual claim.

You were claiming that the DNC is inciting violence with their rhetoric. Yet, Harris isn't saying the election is all her's and it only goes to Trump via election fraud, where as Trump actually is.

 

[Elixir]

This has been framed as an "existential threat" to the nation, by someone who intends to become a dictator acting within a fascist state.

It is perfectly appropriate and ethically required to identify someone who intends to become a dictator acting within a fascist state, as someone who intends to become a dictator acting within a fascist state, if their words and actions conform to the definition. I’m way old fashioned (never said that before!) but
THIS IS NOT NORMAL
It is a real live emulation of Hitler’s process of seizing supreme powers of life and death over all he surveyed. Don’t believe me though.
READ THE HISTORICAL ACCOUNTS
That it is not the same geography, demography etc is irrelevant- it’s the same process. We are at the critical moment that tells us whether we want to keep our democracy or NOT. Do we want to be allied with European Countries, or with Russia, North Korea and other dictatorships?
Nothing is about making friends right now, it’s about facing facts or believing lies.

One fact that is unpleasant for many, is that if we don’t defeat the fascists, it will be bad for the US and the world, and nobody but the oligarchs will be spared.

/rant

 

[laughing dog]

What other option do I have.

.......
But personally I have no other plans than I had in 2016, other than to go full cash before he crashes the stock market again.

I must have missed the time(s) the stock market crashed during the Trump presidency. Do you have some links to those occurrences? I did find this though

Yes you did miss it. September 2018 - the S&P started to drop and bottomed out by almost 20% by Christmas ( List_of_stock_market_crashes_and_bear_markets.).

"Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name. Please search for List of stock market crashes and bear markets. in Wikipedia to check for alternative titles or spellings."

I have no idea what that link does not work because Stock Market Crashes goes right to List of Stock Market Crashes and Bear Markets in Wikipedia.

And I found it by Googling Stock Market Crashes. This is not an esoteric subject that is hard to find.

 

[Emily Lake]

Harris isn't saying if she loses it'll be because of fraud.

That's what Trump said in 2020 - that if he lost it would be because of fraud.