How Proud You Must Be of Crooked, Incompetent Biden

[Gospel]

You caught me again. I'm just brainstorming man.

 

[blastula]

legislative branch makes them, executive branch signs them. The president usually acts like a mascot for legislations they are interested in. Can we get to the point now?

So, where are the votes to pass any of that right now?

There are just as much votes to pass my list as there are leaders willing to end pay to win politics. So no where I guess?

Okay then, try my original question again.

 

[Gospel]

legislative branch makes them, executive branch signs them. The president usually acts like a mascot for legislations they are interested in. Can we get to the point now?

So, where are the votes to pass any of that right now?

There are just as much votes to pass my list as there are leaders willing to end pay to win politics. So no where I guess?

Okay then, try my original question again.

I'll rephrase my answer. He (along with the majority) IMO aren't pushing for the things that matter. First and foremost, stop the pay to win politics. Without that voters (republican or democrat) will just be voting for the lesser of two evils ad infinitum. Overall I'm optimistic that America can shoulder through the status quo (special interest and big money donors influencing our politics more than individual voters), but I believe America can move a lot faster without the shit fuckery that comes with the people filling seats for lucrative contributions.

We also need to take away the press's freedom to lie. Use the court system (like they did Alex asshat Jones) to root out the facts and lay the smack down on any organization designated as press found to be in violation of of the laws like any individual. They have the freedom to report, share opinions unhindered but any information found to not only be a lie but also harmful to the general public ought to be followed with millions (in some cases billions) in fines.

We also need to tell drug manufactures' to fuck off, we won't protect your patents anymore. Anyone can make them granted they pass the sniff test by a very well trained and paid review team. This is a capitalist country after all. Fuck the socialist protections. If I make and distribute it cheaper the long arm of the federal Kim Jong-un shouldn't stand in the free markets way.


Just a few ideas. I have more but gotta sleep off my drink.

 

[fromderinside]

legislative branch makes them, executive branch signs them. The president usually acts like a mascot for legislations they are interested in. Can we get to the point now?

So, where are the votes to pass any of that right now?

There are just as much votes to pass my list as there are leaders willing to end pay to win politics. So no where I guess?

Okay then, try my original question again.

I'll rephrase my answer. He (along with the majority) IMO aren't pushing for the things that matter. First and foremost, stop the pay to win politics. Without that voters (republican or democrat) will just be voting for the lesser of two evils ad infinitum. Overall I'm optimistic that America can shoulder through the status quo (special interest and big money donors influencing our politics more than individual voters), but I believe America can move a lot faster without the shit fuckery that comes with the people filling seats for lucrative contributions.

We also need to take away the press's freedom to lie. Use the court system (like they did Alex asshat Jones) to root out the facts and lay the smack down on any organization designated as press found to be in violation of of the laws like any individual. They have the freedom to report, share opinions unhindered but any information found to not only be a lie but also harmful to the general public ought to be followed with millions (in some cases billions) in fines.

We also need to tell drug manufactures' to fuck off, we won't protect your patents anymore. Anyone can make them granted they pass the sniff test by a very well trained and paid review team. This is a capitalist country after all. Fuck the socialist protections. If I make and distribute it cheaper the long arm of the federal Kim Jong-un shouldn't stand in the free markets way.


Just a few ideas. I have more but gotta sleep off my drink.

Freedom of press is critical. Lying is natural. So removing lying by press is not within scope. What is rational is to systematically deconstruct lies in ways that make liar statements false to anyone who has a point of view.

Telling drug makers to fuck off is a nonstarter. Drugs bring profits. We operate in a capitalist system so profit is permitted even if it is evil. Controls aren't the answer. Truth to power is the answer if one can construct a truth that trumps both greed and desire. Tough task. BTW socialist protections (common good) work within capitalist (better wheel) systems if constructed properly.

 

[Jarhyn]

Lying is natural

So is murder and rape.

But they're still illegal.

IOW welcome to "The Naturalistic Fallacy".

 

[fromderinside]

Lying is natural

So is murder and rape.

But they're still illegal.

IOW welcome to "The Naturalistic Fallacy".

But murder and rape aren't protected by our Constitutional fathers whereas lying, within bounds, is by the first amendment. But, if you scream "Fire" in a crowded theater ....

 

[Jarhyn]

Lying is natural

So is murder and rape.

But they're still illegal.

IOW welcome to "The Naturalistic Fallacy".

But murder and rape aren't protected by our Constitutional fathers whereas lying, within bounds, is by the first amendment. But, if you scream "Fire" in a crowded theater ....

Right there: "within bounds". Not for profit or personal gain.

It's "fire in a crowded theater" when someone uses their presence and leverage to lie to the extent possible using a media outlet, especially with the calibre of lies being pushed today.

We got into this position we are in because the media successfully got several key protections against being lied to by "the news" struck down.

But much like the second amendment being badly written and overreaching, the first amendment does not well protect people from being lied to for personal gain, and reaches too far towards an absolute right to commit widespread misinformation campaigns.

 

[Gospel]

legislative branch makes them, executive branch signs them. The president usually acts like a mascot for legislations they are interested in. Can we get to the point now?

So, where are the votes to pass any of that right now?

There are just as much votes to pass my list as there are leaders willing to end pay to win politics. So no where I guess?

Okay then, try my original question again.

I'll rephrase my answer. He (along with the majority) IMO aren't pushing for the things that matter. First and foremost, stop the pay to win politics. Without that voters (republican or democrat) will just be voting for the lesser of two evils ad infinitum. Overall I'm optimistic that America can shoulder through the status quo (special interest and big money donors influencing our politics more than individual voters), but I believe America can move a lot faster without the shit fuckery that comes with the people filling seats for lucrative contributions.

We also need to take away the press's freedom to lie. Use the court system (like they did Alex asshat Jones) to root out the facts and lay the smack down on any organization designated as press found to be in violation of of the laws like any individual. They have the freedom to report, share opinions unhindered but any information found to not only be a lie but also harmful to the general public ought to be followed with millions (in some cases billions) in fines.

We also need to tell drug manufactures' to fuck off, we won't protect your patents anymore. Anyone can make them granted they pass the sniff test by a very well trained and paid review team. This is a capitalist country after all. Fuck the socialist protections. If I make and distribute it cheaper the long arm of the federal Kim Jong-un shouldn't stand in the free markets way.


Just a few ideas. I have more but gotta sleep off my drink.

Freedom of press is critical. Lying is natural. So removing lying by press is not within scope. What is rational is to systematically deconstruct lies in ways that make liar statements false to anyone who has a point of view.

Telling drug makers to fuck off is a nonstarter. Drugs bring profits. We operate in a capitalist system so profit is permitted even if it is evil. Controls aren't the answer. Truth to power is the answer if one can construct a truth that trumps both greed and desire. Tough task. BTW socialist protections (common good) work within capitalist (better wheel) systems if constructed properly.

It's not just about lies. If you learn how to read I also mentioned proof of harm. I guess you think Alex Jones shouldn't be held accountable for the trouble he caused Sandy Hook Parents? I just think the press needs to live up to standards like our Government does. The constitution doesn't give the government free reign, WTF should the press have it?

 

[southernhybrid]

The president isn't a dictator.

Tell that to Trump

That was exactly my point! Just because we had one president who believed he was a dictator doesn't mean that he was correct.

 

[southernhybrid]

And this is why the real left doesn't like him.

Single payer healthcare? Nope.
Wellfare for the rich ended? Nope.
Universal income? Nope.

Just to name a few.

Tell that to Congress. The president isn't a dictator. I'm not so sure that those issues have enough popular support, but no president can accomplish such things without the Congress. Perhaps if everyone would bother to vote, things would be better.

I have issues with all three arms of government. BTW Presidents talk about healthcare, Taxes and minimum wage all the time. What planet are you from? Eminiar VII?

Then stop blaming Biden. The last time I checked I was from planet earth, but I'm not proud of that. Humans are the most fucked up animals on our planet. Don't ya think? Since I know that, I try to have realistic expectations when it comes to other humans.

 

[Gospel]

And this is why the real left doesn't like him.

Single payer healthcare? Nope.
Wellfare for the rich ended? Nope.
Universal income? Nope.

Just to name a few.

Tell that to Congress. The president isn't a dictator. I'm not so sure that those issues have enough popular support, but no president can accomplish such things without the Congress. Perhaps if everyone would bother to vote, things would be better.

I have issues with all three arms of government. BTW Presidents talk about healthcare, Taxes and minimum wage all the time. What planet are you from? Eminiar VII?

Then stop blaming Biden. The last time I checked I was from planet earth, but I'm not proud of that. Humans are the most fucked up animals on our planet. Don't ya think? Since I know that, I try to have realistic expectations when it comes to other humans.

I'm not blaming Biden. Just because I wouldn't vote for him even if I'd be forced to eat shit as a result doesn't mean I blame him.

Edit: And this "unrealistic expectations" take is nonsense. Could care less how many people consider them unrealistic if those same people don't find them reasonable.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

legislative branch makes them, executive branch signs them. The president usually acts like a mascot for legislations they are interested in. Can we get to the point now?

So, where are the votes to pass any of that right now?

There are just as much votes to pass my list as there are leaders willing to end pay to win politics. So no where I guess?

Okay then, try my original question again.

I'll rephrase my answer. He (along with the majority) IMO aren't pushing for the things that matter.

Okay, let's make something clear, Biden signed off on legislation that was passed only because of the Budget Reconciliation maneuver. It was done more than once in a year, which has never been done ever. So the stuff he passed used quasi-extreme means to get it to his desk. Since Clinton, the GOP have proven to want nothing but to destroy the Democrats. So, unless the Democrats have 60 votes, it ain't happening. The ACA had a rare opportunity when the Democrats did have the 60 votes via caucus, though Lieberman and Nelson fucked it up, which is why we were stuck with the ACA instead of something better. Obama and Democrats blew their majorities to get the ACA passed and signed.

Right now, the Dems have 50 votes in the Senate, so even ignoring the fact conservative Democrats exist, the Dems have zero chance of passing an ACA level bill. What the Dems have passed were budget related, skipped the filibuster line and managed to get some important things accomplished, which again, unprecedented use of Budget Reconciliation. Biden could not have possibly accomplished more than he has. Schumer, Pelosi, and Biden managed to make a couple miracles occur.

 

[Gospel]

That's respectable. I just think a lot of clean up is in order so that wallet over people representatives aren't there to get in the way in the first place. No shit I don't want extremists running the show, that doesn't mean I'll just stop desiring a government that isn't pay to win and protects the filthy rich all while feeding us free market socialism. There is absolutely no reason why the Government should have it's hands in the free markets in a way that 5 or less companies own everything.

But yeah, keep being ok with how things are because you're afraid of the republican scarecrow.

 

[Harry Bosch]

That's respectable. I just think a lot of clean up is in order so that wallet over people representatives aren't there to get in the way in the first place. No shit I don't want extremists running the show, that doesn't mean I'll just stop desiring a government that isn't pay to win and protects the filthy rich all while feeding us free market socialism. There is absolutely no reason why the Government should have it's hands in the free markets in a way that 5 or less companies own everything.

But yeah, keep being ok with how things are because you're afraid of the republican scarecrow.

Republican scarecrow? Trump did try to overthrow our election. That's fact. He should be in prison. Or at least not be allowed to run again ever. Will the US end if a normal republican takes office in 24? For most, not. We survived the Bush days. But here's the deal: would you rather have some of your agenda passed; or none? There's a very good threat that republicans will reverse much of the slight democratic agenda that has passed. So, yea, should we be scared to death of the non-TrumpianQ republicans? No. But it's just that I'd rather have some of my agenda worked on, rather than have a government devoted to lowering taxes, decreasing regulation and obsessed with Hunter's laptop.

 

[Gospel]

Woah woah woah. What's with all the alarmism? I said I understand and respect how things have to be done right now. Does it mean I should just shut up and join talking about "what we can do" instead of what we "should do"? I don't think so. all I'm saying is Biden is a settlement president, like they have been for many years since MONEY became the real decision maker. Big donors who don't chose how we vote yet choose who's on the menu need to GTFO.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

That's respectable. I just think a lot of clean up is in order so that wallet over people representatives aren't there to get in the way in the first place. No shit I don't want extremists running the show, that doesn't mean I'll just stop desiring a government that isn't pay to win and protects the filthy rich all while feeding us free market socialism. There is absolutely no reason why the Government should have it's hands in the free markets in a way that 5 or less companies own everything.

But yeah, keep being ok with how things are because you're afraid of the republican scarecrow.

9/11, Iraq occupation, the shit show that was the Trump Administration, that isn't a scarecrow, that is called snowballing.

And then lets talk about Supreme Court justices... and how the Supreme Court is going to set back civil rights 40 years. That isn't a scarecrow, those are women bawling their eyes out in the bathroom, looking at a pregnancy test, scared to all fuck on "what in the fuck are they going to do?".

Yes, having better governance would be great, but at the moment, the options are alt-right fascist state Republicans and pro-business, but tossing us some bones Democrats. Pragmatism sucks, but the alternative... well... unfortunately people didn't listen and the alternative already happened with Dobbs, and will like happen again as Affirmative Action is renounced, and then possibly access to gay marriage, gay sex, and even birth control (like the condoms type!). All that shit I just typed... gonna happen. No matter what happens, short of states passing referendums to block them, SCOTUS can not be rebalanced for a decade plus. We need a Federal Government in charge that won't sign off on bans on gay sex, marriage, abortion, and birth control.

If you want to remain on your pedestal, go for it, but don't think for a second that you are helping.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Woah woah woah. What's with all the alarmism? I said I understand and respect how things have to be done right now. Does it mean I should just shut up and join talking about "what we can do" instead of what we "should do"? I don't think so. all I'm saying is Biden is a settlement president, like they have been for many years since MONEY became the real decision maker. Big donors who don't chose how we vote yet choose who's on the menu need to GTFO.

Just one thing here, African Americans selected Joe Biden in the primaries... and then they turned out in great numbers to support him in the General Election. Biden wasn't the first choice. In fact, he was the first guy to make Georgia the leaping platform to the nomination in a while.

 

[Gospel]

Woah woah woah. What's with all the alarmism? I said I understand and respect how things have to be done right now. Does it mean I should just shut up and join talking about "what we can do" instead of what we "should do"? I don't think so. all I'm saying is Biden is a settlement president, like they have been for many years since MONEY became the real decision maker. Big donors who don't chose how we vote yet choose who's on the menu need to GTFO.

Just one thing here, African Americans selected Joe Biden in the primaries... and then they turned out in great numbers to support him in the General Election. Biden wasn't the first choice. In fact, he was the first guy to make Georgia the leaping platform to the nomination in a while.

How do you think Biden or anyone on a major ticket gets there? Do you think we the people select who gets thrown in front of us and hammered at us VIA paid advertisements and privately funded debates? I mean if we chose our primary candidates then why are they wasting money on campaigns? This type of crap is happening up and down the ticket where the little guy who wants to effect change has to comply with the status quo for funding or sit his/her broke ass down.

I doubt the American public would promote most of these fucks if the entire election process was tax money funded. all these idiots (minus a few) are pay to win sock puppets serving the American people A or B options with both leading down the same keep the donors happy path.

But because this is all we see, we are to believe this is all that there is, so we play along with the happy to keep the bad people from hurting us game.

 

[southernhybrid]

Woah woah woah. What's with all the alarmism? I said I understand and respect how things have to be done right now. Does it mean I should just shut up and join talking about "what we can do" instead of what we "should do"? I don't think so. all I'm saying is Biden is a settlement president, like they have been for many years since MONEY became the real decision maker. Big donors who don't chose how we vote yet choose who's on the menu need to GTFO.

Just one thing here, African Americans selected Joe Biden in the primaries... and then they turned out in great numbers to support him in the General Election. Biden wasn't the first choice. In fact, he was the first guy to make Georgia the leaping platform to the nomination in a while.

How do you think Biden or anyone on a major ticket gets there? Do you think we the people select who gets thrown in front of us and hammered at us VIA paid advertisements and privately funded debates? I mean if we chose our primary candidates then why are they wasting money on campaigns? This type of crap is happening up and down the ticket where the little guy who wants to effect change has to comply with the status quo for funding or sit his/her broke ass down.

I doubt the American public would promote most of these fucks if the entire election process was tax money funded. all these idiots (minus a few) are pay to win sock puppets serving the American people A or B options with both leading down the same keep the donors happy path.

But because this is all we see, we are to believe this is all that there is, so we play along with the happy to keep the bad people from hurting us game.

Do you realize that most Democratic candidates are getting most of their campaign money from small donors? Maybe I don't understand your point. Perhaps you could tell us who you think would be capable of getting the type of things done that you support. I don't see anyone capable of doing that. Yes. It would be better if the elections were paid for by tax dollars and we didn't spend huge amount of money on these insane lengthy campaigns. How do you think that can be changed?

And, btw, all but one of my Black friends voted for Biden in the primaries because they really liked him, not just because they thought he could beat Trump. Admittedly, they are all over 60, like I am, so that might be why. Some of my younger White friends supported Warren or Bernie, but they still voted for Biden in the general because they knew he was the better option by far.

I have aways thought highly of you so please don't take this personally, but I have a hard time understanding the attitude that you won't vote for someone who doesn't support most of what you want, or who you feel isn't far enough to the left or whatever it is that makes you say that you won't vote for Biden under any circumstances.

I've been voting for a long time. Every election has been important to me. There are always only two choices for president, or Senator for that matter, whether we like it or not. That's the system that we have, at least until it changes. I don't see that happening in the near future. I'm not even sure what it would take to change it. I'm not crazy about Warnock but it' was easy for me to vote for him, considering his opponent is a brain damaged, mentally ill Trump supporter, who could give the Senate to the Republicans if he wins.

There is always one candidate who is better than the other one, so there have been plenty of times when I've voted for a candidate that didn't thrill me. I wasn't happy with Bill Clinton, but was the alternative better? If you don't vote for the better candidate or the lesser of two evils, if you prefer to see it that way, then you are part of the problem, imo. Please help me understand the logic in not voting for the candidate who will do the least amount of damage to the country or who will at least be able to get a few progressive bills passed. You aren't the only person I've known of who feels this way. It just makes no sense to me. What do you hope to accomplish by voting third party or refusing to vote at all?

I agree with you that it's insane how much money is spent on elections and how much money is collected from donors, even if the majority of those donors are small donors. MTG's opponent has raised a lot of money, which will probably not make any difference, due to the make up of her district. MTG will likely win because her district is very conservative. She popped up out of nowhere two years ago, and won in her district's primary, despite the fact that there were some more sane Republicans running against her. I guess I simply don't understand your opinion when it comes to voting. If we are able to save our fragile democracy, you have to understand that nobody ever gets everything they want. I do think it's good to have these conversations, even if we don't agree.

 

[laughing dog]

Personally, I judge people in office by what they do rather than what they say. I am pleasantly surprised by Mr. Biden's effectiveness given the polarization in Congress and the nation.

From the responses in this thread, my sample of "leftists" must be "utopian" leftists. They view Mr. Biden more as an opportunity lost than an opportunity gained (or a disaster avoided).