How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[barbos]

Has anyone commented on the video of ukro-nazi from 2011?
Exactly!

 

[TV and credit cards]

Trump comes to a stunning revelation:

Trump correctly assessed on July 4 that Putin is “not there” and not “looking to stop” military actions against Ukraine and reiterated his “disappointment” with his July 3 phone call with Putin. Trump stated on July 3 that he did not make any progress “at all” with Putin and that he is “not happy” with Putin.

Is that a bit of late to the party sarcasm by wording it as "correctly assessed"?

 

[ZiprHead]

There's those darn flimsy Russian windows again.

 

[Harry Bosch]

And now we're talking:

MSN

Potential proposal to increase tariffs on countries that trade with Russia by 500%. This is long long overdue. If Russia wants to invade other countries, they shouldn't benefit from world trade.

You have to know that this is never going to happen.
So your hero terrorist Lindsey Graham is just wasting his time with this bill.

There is growing momentum that it will happen. This war has been going on for 3.5 years. We need to find something that will entice Putin to come to the negotiating table. Dramatically increasing the economic cost for Russia needs to be the next step. Putin doesn't give a fuck about his people. But I guaranty you that India and China do (at least more than Putin). Any country that buys Russia resources (oil, minerals) is prolonging this war. We need to Tariff their ass, send the profit to Ukraine.

Delusion is great in this one.
This Bill will no doubt pass. But it's utterly meaningless and useless becasue according to the terrorist himself all it does is giving Trump a right to impose these tariffs. But Trump already have these rights and used them.
500% tariffs on China is not going to fly.
Putin does care about his people and has broad support among them.
Fuck, even the opposition to the war is starting to agree with him.
You fucking lost them. Your media does not talk about that but you lost them.

Trump is an idiot who thought for many years that it was possible to have peace with Russia. But he's been talking to Putin direct, last time was yesterday. And sadly, for the world, Trump was quoted as saying that putin "left him disappointed, and he did not think that Moscow wanted to end the fighting."

MSN

www.msn.com

We have to increase the sanctions. We need to find additional ways to isolate Russia from the world. It's not enough to keep your country from the Olympics and/or Eurovision.

 

[Harry Bosch]

"They still have their thumbs."

A fascist's best excuse for the war crimes that he and his criminal friends applaud.

Fascists are the ones who support nazi regime in Kiev.

Lol. You can't deny that you are happy to make the most depraved excuses possible for literal war crimes, so you deflect with wild accusations with no supporting evidence. Here's a hint Barbos. Nazis think war crimes are no big deal and YOU think war crimes are no big deal too. Do you represent all of Russia? So delusional and depraved?

There are no war crimes there. There is an idiot talking trash.
If you want war crimes then you should look at Nazi Regime in Kiev.

The existence (or non-existence) of war crimes in this situation is irrelevant to the fact that you are so dismissive of war crimes that you are happy to give sociopathic excuses to Russian perpetrators. You won't even deny it. This is the second time you have chosen to deflect instead of address the issue. Russians like the man bragging about war crimes and you who defend him with depraved excuses are exemplars of NAZI depravity. Congratulations.

I am dismissive?
You had been dismissive of war crimes for 8 years before I became dismissive.
You dismiss all the shit "Ukrainians" do.

All countries commit war crimes during war. It is normal. The difference is that Ukraine is defending itself. It is backed against the wall and has to fight. Your country is the invader.

 

[barbos]

"They still have their thumbs."

A fascist's best excuse for the war crimes that he and his criminal friends applaud.

Fascists are the ones who support nazi regime in Kiev.

Lol. You can't deny that you are happy to make the most depraved excuses possible for literal war crimes, so you deflect with wild accusations with no supporting evidence. Here's a hint Barbos. Nazis think war crimes are no big deal and YOU think war crimes are no big deal too. Do you represent all of Russia? So delusional and depraved?

There are no war crimes there. There is an idiot talking trash.
If you want war crimes then you should look at Nazi Regime in Kiev.

The existence (or non-existence) of war crimes in this situation is irrelevant to the fact that you are so dismissive of war crimes that you are happy to give sociopathic excuses to Russian perpetrators. You won't even deny it. This is the second time you have chosen to deflect instead of address the issue. Russians like the man bragging about war crimes and you who defend him with depraved excuses are exemplars of NAZI depravity. Congratulations.

I am dismissive?
You had been dismissive of war crimes for 8 years before I became dismissive.
You dismiss all the shit "Ukrainians" do.

All countries commit war crimes during war. It is normal. The difference is that Ukraine is defending itself. It is backed against the wall and has to fight. Your country is the invader.

They are not defending themselves. They have been attacking russians since 2014.

 

[barbos]

And now we're talking:

MSN

Potential proposal to increase tariffs on countries that trade with Russia by 500%. This is long long overdue. If Russia wants to invade other countries, they shouldn't benefit from world trade.

You have to know that this is never going to happen.
So your hero terrorist Lindsey Graham is just wasting his time with this bill.

There is growing momentum that it will happen. This war has been going on for 3.5 years. We need to find something that will entice Putin to come to the negotiating table. Dramatically increasing the economic cost for Russia needs to be the next step. Putin doesn't give a fuck about his people. But I guaranty you that India and China do (at least more than Putin). Any country that buys Russia resources (oil, minerals) is prolonging this war. We need to Tariff their ass, send the profit to Ukraine.

Delusion is great in this one.
This Bill will no doubt pass. But it's utterly meaningless and useless becasue according to the terrorist himself all it does is giving Trump a right to impose these tariffs. But Trump already have these rights and used them.
500% tariffs on China is not going to fly.
Putin does care about his people and has broad support among them.
Fuck, even the opposition to the war is starting to agree with him.
You fucking lost them. Your media does not talk about that but you lost them.

Trump is an idiot who thought for many years that it was possible to have peace with Russia. But he's been talking to Putin direct, last time was yesterday. And sadly, for the world, Trump was quoted as saying that putin "left him disappointed, and he did not think that Moscow wanted to end the fighting."

No, it's Putin who is an idiot who thought there could be peace with the West. He was wrong and he admitted it.
The Western Hegemony is dying and and this is the danger for the rest of the world.

MSN

www.msn.com

We have to increase the sanctions. We need to find additional ways to isolate Russia from the world. It's not enough to keep your country from the Olympics and/or Eurovision.

Bring it on!

 

[Harry Bosch]

"They still have their thumbs."

A fascist's best excuse for the war crimes that he and his criminal friends applaud.

Fascists are the ones who support nazi regime in Kiev.

Lol. You can't deny that you are happy to make the most depraved excuses possible for literal war crimes, so you deflect with wild accusations with no supporting evidence. Here's a hint Barbos. Nazis think war crimes are no big deal and YOU think war crimes are no big deal too. Do you represent all of Russia? So delusional and depraved?

There are no war crimes there. There is an idiot talking trash.
If you want war crimes then you should look at Nazi Regime in Kiev.

The existence (or non-existence) of war crimes in this situation is irrelevant to the fact that you are so dismissive of war crimes that you are happy to give sociopathic excuses to Russian perpetrators. You won't even deny it. This is the second time you have chosen to deflect instead of address the issue. Russians like the man bragging about war crimes and you who defend him with depraved excuses are exemplars of NAZI depravity. Congratulations.

I am dismissive?
You had been dismissive of war crimes for 8 years before I became dismissive.
You dismiss all the shit "Ukrainians" do.

All countries commit war crimes during war. It is normal. The difference is that Ukraine is defending itself. It is backed against the wall and has to fight. Your country is the invader.

They are not defending themselves. They have been attacking russians since 2014.

?? Yes, they are attacking Russians who are in Ukraine uninvited. Do you need help reading a map?

 

[barbos]

"They still have their thumbs."

A fascist's best excuse for the war crimes that he and his criminal friends applaud.

Fascists are the ones who support nazi regime in Kiev.

Lol. You can't deny that you are happy to make the most depraved excuses possible for literal war crimes, so you deflect with wild accusations with no supporting evidence. Here's a hint Barbos. Nazis think war crimes are no big deal and YOU think war crimes are no big deal too. Do you represent all of Russia? So delusional and depraved?

There are no war crimes there. There is an idiot talking trash.
If you want war crimes then you should look at Nazi Regime in Kiev.

The existence (or non-existence) of war crimes in this situation is irrelevant to the fact that you are so dismissive of war crimes that you are happy to give sociopathic excuses to Russian perpetrators. You won't even deny it. This is the second time you have chosen to deflect instead of address the issue. Russians like the man bragging about war crimes and you who defend him with depraved excuses are exemplars of NAZI depravity. Congratulations.

I am dismissive?
You had been dismissive of war crimes for 8 years before I became dismissive.
You dismiss all the shit "Ukrainians" do.

All countries commit war crimes during war. It is normal. The difference is that Ukraine is defending itself. It is backed against the wall and has to fight. Your country is the invader.

They are not defending themselves. They have been attacking russians since 2014.

?? Yes, they are attacking Russians who are in Ukraine uninvited. Do you need help reading a map?

Well, you can tell they are uninvited but they were born in technically Ukraine and have/had ukrainian citizenship.

The fact is, Ukraine is not a real country, it never was. It was created artificially from pieces which don't have much in common.
Fun fact, when Kravchuk was preparing dissolution of USSR he was expecting Eltsin taking back Russian part of Ukraine and was surprised when Eltsin said "I don't care". Ukraine is paying for it now.

 

[Harry Bosch]

"They still have their thumbs."

A fascist's best excuse for the war crimes that he and his criminal friends applaud.

Fascists are the ones who support nazi regime in Kiev.

Lol. You can't deny that you are happy to make the most depraved excuses possible for literal war crimes, so you deflect with wild accusations with no supporting evidence. Here's a hint Barbos. Nazis think war crimes are no big deal and YOU think war crimes are no big deal too. Do you represent all of Russia? So delusional and depraved?

There are no war crimes there. There is an idiot talking trash.
If you want war crimes then you should look at Nazi Regime in Kiev.

The existence (or non-existence) of war crimes in this situation is irrelevant to the fact that you are so dismissive of war crimes that you are happy to give sociopathic excuses to Russian perpetrators. You won't even deny it. This is the second time you have chosen to deflect instead of address the issue. Russians like the man bragging about war crimes and you who defend him with depraved excuses are exemplars of NAZI depravity. Congratulations.

I am dismissive?
You had been dismissive of war crimes for 8 years before I became dismissive.
You dismiss all the shit "Ukrainians" do.

All countries commit war crimes during war. It is normal. The difference is that Ukraine is defending itself. It is backed against the wall and has to fight. Your country is the invader.

They are not defending themselves. They have been attacking russians since 2014.

?? Yes, they are attacking Russians who are in Ukraine uninvited. Do you need help reading a map?

Well, you can tell they are uninvited but they were born in technically Ukraine and have/had ukrainian citizenship.

The fact is, Ukraine is not a real country, it never was. It was created artificially from pieces which don't have much in common.
Fun fact, when Kravchuk was preparing dissolution of USSR he was expecting Eltsin taking back Russian part of Ukraine and was surprised when Eltsin said "I don't care". Ukraine is paying for it now.

?? Most of the soldiers fighting in Ukraine were born in Russia. There are many foreign soldiers fighting in Ukraine also (most from North Korea). There probably are some former Ukrainians fighting for Russia that are from the east Ukraine area that Russia illegally annexed. But they are in the minority. All countries are artificially created.

 

[zorq]

Barbos likes to pretend that the violent Russian national army infiltrators and their domestic terrorist collaborators who mercilessly stormed Ukrainian government buildings and launched wide scale attacks on Ukrainian authorities in eastern Ukraine in 2014 were all innocent babies who did nothing wrong. And as innocent Russian babies, the Ukrainian authorities are monsters for using any force at all against them. But even a cursory look at the evidence shows all but the most imbecilic people that barbos's delusional games are pathetic attempts at revisionist history. Self defense against violent foreign (and domestic) aggressors is a time honored virtue among all but the most pacifist people throughout world history.

I can't imagine who he thinks he is fooling. Maybe he's only trying to fool himself?

 

[TV and credit cards]

I can't imagine who he thinks he is fooling. Maybe he's only trying to fool himself?

Unless he gets paid per reply.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Reality is real. The people who are invading a country are easy to spot

We did not invade, we intervened.
Your ridiculous obsession with word "invasion" is tiresome. Especially coming from the west.

Well, I could use "Illegal irredentist land grab" instead of "invasion".

It does not fucking matter.
As far as I am concerned Ukraine has no right to exist and the current government should be executed as war criminals.
Russia can not have terrorist regime on its border, period!

Russia is a terrorist regime and Ukraine has every right to defend herself against it, ask for help from any party willing to give it, and make any defensive alliance that she can.

EU/US are terrorist and nazi regimes.
Ukrainian regime lost all its rights to defend itself when they started genocide of pro-russian population in 2014. Putin is making a mistake when he expects Nazi regimes in EU/US change any time soon. There is absolutely no chance of that.
We need to cut all ties to EU/US until their racist and colonial empire slowly dies.
And this is coming from a guy who likes US and Europe in general. But your top governments are full of shit nazis on a payroll of criminal corporations. And population is so ignorant of what their governments are doing it's mind-boggling.

Genocide? No, insurgency against your invasion force. Killing an invading army to the last man wouldn't be genocide.

 

[barbos]

Reality is real. The people who are invading a country are easy to spot

We did not invade, we intervened.
Your ridiculous obsession with word "invasion" is tiresome. Especially coming from the west.

Well, I could use "Illegal irredentist land grab" instead of "invasion".

It does not fucking matter.
As far as I am concerned Ukraine has no right to exist and the current government should be executed as war criminals.
Russia can not have terrorist regime on its border, period!

Russia is a terrorist regime and Ukraine has every right to defend herself against it, ask for help from any party willing to give it, and make any defensive alliance that she can.

EU/US are terrorist and nazi regimes.
Ukrainian regime lost all its rights to defend itself when they started genocide of pro-russian population in 2014. Putin is making a mistake when he expects Nazi regimes in EU/US change any time soon. There is absolutely no chance of that.
We need to cut all ties to EU/US until their racist and colonial empire slowly dies.
And this is coming from a guy who likes US and Europe in general. But your top governments are full of shit nazis on a payroll of criminal corporations. And population is so ignorant of what their governments are doing it's mind-boggling.

Genocide? No, insurgency against your invasion force. Killing an invading army to the last man wouldn't be genocide.

Not our invasion force, "their" own people.
In reality of course, galician nazis invaded eastern Ukraine, they tried Crimea too, but quickly failed.

 

[barbos]

"They still have their thumbs."

A fascist's best excuse for the war crimes that he and his criminal friends applaud.

Fascists are the ones who support nazi regime in Kiev.

Lol. You can't deny that you are happy to make the most depraved excuses possible for literal war crimes, so you deflect with wild accusations with no supporting evidence. Here's a hint Barbos. Nazis think war crimes are no big deal and YOU think war crimes are no big deal too. Do you represent all of Russia? So delusional and depraved?

There are no war crimes there. There is an idiot talking trash.
If you want war crimes then you should look at Nazi Regime in Kiev.

The existence (or non-existence) of war crimes in this situation is irrelevant to the fact that you are so dismissive of war crimes that you are happy to give sociopathic excuses to Russian perpetrators. You won't even deny it. This is the second time you have chosen to deflect instead of address the issue. Russians like the man bragging about war crimes and you who defend him with depraved excuses are exemplars of NAZI depravity. Congratulations.

I am dismissive?
You had been dismissive of war crimes for 8 years before I became dismissive.
You dismiss all the shit "Ukrainians" do.

All countries commit war crimes during war. It is normal. The difference is that Ukraine is defending itself. It is backed against the wall and has to fight. Your country is the invader.

They are not defending themselves. They have been attacking russians since 2014.

?? Yes, they are attacking Russians who are in Ukraine uninvited. Do you need help reading a map?

Well, you can tell they are uninvited but they were born in technically Ukraine and have/had ukrainian citizenship.

The fact is, Ukraine is not a real country, it never was. It was created artificially from pieces which don't have much in common.
Fun fact, when Kravchuk was preparing dissolution of USSR he was expecting Eltsin taking back Russian part of Ukraine and was surprised when Eltsin said "I don't care". Ukraine is paying for it now.

?? Most of the soldiers fighting in Ukraine were born in Russia. There are many foreign soldiers fighting in Ukraine also (most from North Korea). There probably are some former Ukrainians fighting for Russia that are from the east Ukraine area that Russia illegally annexed. But they are in the minority. All countries are artificially created.

Most of the people refusing to fight for Ukraine were born in .... Ukraine. In fact, Ukrainians are cheering up recent russian bombing campaign against T-Ts-K (ukrainian Gestapo engaged in forceful constription)

There probably are some former Ukrainians fighting for Russia that are from the east Ukraine

LOL, "probably", good one.

 

[barbos]

Barbos likes to pretend that the violent Russian national army infiltrators and their domestic terrorist collaborators who mercilessly stormed Ukrainian government buildings and launched wide scale attacks on Ukrainian authorities in eastern Ukraine in 2014 were all innocent babies who did nothing wrong. And as innocent Russian babies, the Ukrainian authorities are monsters for using any force at all against them. But even a cursory look at the evidence shows all but the most imbecilic people that barbos's delusional games are pathetic attempts at revisionist history. Self defense against violent foreign (and domestic) aggressors is a time honored virtue among all but the most pacifist people throughout world history.

I can't imagine who he thinks he is fooling. Maybe he's only trying to fool himself?

Disgusting garbage and lies.
It is your nazi side who were engaged in that. That's what your nazi coup was all about. It's just failed in Eastern Ukraine, while succeeding in the rest of Ukraine.
Your side were storming ukrainian government buildings in 2014.
Now in 2025 we are liberating Ukraine from Nazi Regime.
The question is, do we go all the way to polish border or we leave Galicia to their own devices.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

And you should shut up about the Moon.

No, I should not. We were there.

Russian robots. American boots.

 

[Tigers!]

The question is, do we go all the way to polish border or we leave Galicia to their own devices.

Surprise us all and leave Galicia to the Galicians

 

[barbos]

The question is, do we go all the way to polish border or we leave Galicia to their own devices.

Surprise us all and leave Galicia to the Galicians

That'a a possibility. But "Galicians" are not really the only ones who have rights to Galicia.
Modern day Galicia is a result of genocide of russian population by Austro-Hungarian empire.
Austro-hungarians were afraid of russians in their empire so they exterminated them leaving the scum which is currently there.

 

[TV and credit cards]

Why the Pentagon’s ‘pause’ on weapons to Ukraine backfired

True realists have noted for some time that Putin’s uncompromising instincts could prove to be an important factor in encouraging Trump to adopt the necessary firm policy to deal with an aggressive Kremlin.

While I still look for conspiracy between these two horrible people, the linked story does help to put me at least somewhat at ease. All indications would be that Putin made no attempt to work Trump during their phone conversation. And as much as Trump wants to love Russia, Russia being Russia isn't happy unless it's miserable.


*Not fond of the term "True realist". How can such a person exist?