How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[barbos]

Lol. We have talked about this before too. If anyone here is siding with a fascist dictator here it is you.

Nope, it's you. You (your side) even said that (ukrainian) nazis are good, becasue they are good fighters.

 

[barbos]

Here is a latest commentary from Prof. John Mearsheimer.
Please note that my people are all professors and actual independent journalists. (No, Nuland is not an actual professor).
Whereas yours are Grahams McCains and talking heads from TV.
I don't agree with him on everything, I am more in the camp of other actual professor which would be Jeffrey Sachs.
I don't agree with Jeffrey Sachs but even when I don't, I see where he comes from with that.
One of the points he and others keep bringing up is apparent schizophrenia EU/US rulling monkeys have when they say that Putin:
1. Wanted to conquer (whole) Ukraine.
2. Will invade other EU countries if Ukraine falls.
3. Russian army is incompetent, dies in millions and only moved few kilometers into Ukraine.

It can't be all be true simultaneously and we know that all of that is simply not true.

 

[barbos]

One of the points he and others keep bringing up is apparent schizophrenia EU/US rulling monkeys have when they say that Putin:
1. Wanted to conquer (whole) Ukraine.
2. Will invade other EU countries if Ukraine falls.
3. Russian army is incompetent, dies in millions and only moved few kilometers into Ukraine.

And he (and as do I, many time) answers, saying that initial "invasion" was awfully insufficient to conquer Ukraine. Russian forces were around 140K, whereas a country with the size of Ukraine will require invading force of a couple of millions to conquer.
Moreover, Ukraine had an army around million people repelling "invasion". End even moreover, Putin immediately offered negotiations in which he basically offered to leave whatever was occupied (minus Crimea of course) if Kiev agrees to obey their own constitution and remain neutral. And Kiev agreed.
That is the inconvenient fact Russia haters and nazi sympathizers here keep ignoring.

Best excuse these russia haters have is "We can't trust Russia". But that is equivalent to starting the war yourself with Ukraine being both a pretext and a proxy. That does not fly in decent societies. And this is what actually happened. BoJo came and according to his own statement he said "Let's fight". That's is a matter of record. And it was a perfect bet. If I was a brain dead Russia hater I would have done the same thing BoJo did. Seriously, Russia was totally unprepared for war, it had no experience, it had only 140K soldiers in Ukraine. With superior western weapons, ukrainian nazi having had 8 years of actual combat in Eastern Ukraine and 1 million Army, Ukraine could easily kick Putin's "degenerates" out of Ukraine, sanctions would kill the economy, popular unrest and Putin is Saddamized in no time, Russia splits, or at least descends into chaos bigger than 1990s.

That was a perfect opportunity! I would have done the same thing and it should have worked!
But it did not.

 

[barbos]

If EU scum really believed their own BS about Russia planning to invade France, they would have been preparing for it, building stockpiles of weapons and ammunition, increasing numbers of soldiers. They are not doing any of that, they gave everything to Kiev Regime and hope that Putin fails and gets overthrown by its own people.

In reality Putin himself was awfully reluctant to even help "rebels" in Eastern Ukraine. I remember that and popular opinion in Russia at that time was, "what do we need these people for? we are doing fine, we have oil and gas, country and economy works, why?" That was the opinion, I know that. Yes, Putin took as expected Crimea, he would have been overthrown by the millitary if he had not. Having NATO in Sevastopol was not an option. And no, it's not Ukraine's business. It's ours. According their own EU principles they all signed it is OUR russian business and Russia had all the rights to take Crimea even without any history lecturing about how it was Russia. Yes, there is such a principle in EU, and yes I already linked you to that.

 

[barbos]

Another good question the actual professor was asked was about Why EU clings to this sinking ship.
And he says they probably still believe they can win. They probably believe all the shit Kiev monkeys tell him.
They believe that russian army dies in millions.
Even Mearseheimer himself actually agreed that Russia suffered at least 500K casualties.

Whereas your own Me can go to a local cemetery and simply count soldier graves then extrapolate to the country population and get the number around 140K. And that would be an overestimation because people from small towns are over-recruited into the army. Big cities don't send a lot of people.

 

[barbos]

And another reasons to keep Eastern Ukraine in Ukraine would have been desire to prefer have russian and pro-russian population to counterweight Western Ukraine assholes/nazi. It's a rudimentary form of gerrymandering if you like.
It was widespread during forming Soviet Union. That's why borders don't reflect ethnic composition.

Karabach in Azerbaijan is one example. Ukraine is too. Eastern Ukraine was redistricted into Ukraine to make communists in Ukraine more eager to join USSR. In Chechya during Tsarism they were doing basically the same thing for different reason.
Half of the modern day Chenen Republic is actually Russia. it was attached to Chechnya in order to move chechens from their original mountainous regions to planes where they could be more easily controlled.

 

[Tigers!]

And another reasons to keep Eastern Ukraine in Ukraine would have been desire to prefer have russian and pro-russian population to counterweight Western Ukraine assholes/nazi. It's a rudimentary form of gerrymandering if you like.
It was widespread during forming Soviet Union. That's why borders don't reflect ethnic composition.

Karabach in Azerbaijan is one example. Ukraine is too. Eastern Ukraine was redistricted into Ukraine to make communists in Ukraine more eager to join USSR. In Chechya during Tsarism they were doing basically the same thing for different reason.
Half of the modern day Chenen Republic is actually Russia. it was attached to Chechnya in order to move chechens from their original mountainous regions to planes where they could be more easily controlled.

I must say I am suprised you are given the Soviets such a kicking.
Didn't get your payment this week?

 

[barbos]

And another reasons to keep Eastern Ukraine in Ukraine would have been desire to prefer have russian and pro-russian population to counterweight Western Ukraine assholes/nazi. It's a rudimentary form of gerrymandering if you like.
It was widespread during forming Soviet Union. That's why borders don't reflect ethnic composition.

Karabach in Azerbaijan is one example. Ukraine is too. Eastern Ukraine was redistricted into Ukraine to make communists in Ukraine more eager to join USSR. In Chechya during Tsarism they were doing basically the same thing for different reason.
Half of the modern day Chenen Republic is actually Russia. it was attached to Chechnya in order to move chechens from their original mountainous regions to planes where they could be more easily controlled.

I must say I am suprised you are given the Soviets such a kicking.
Didn't get your payment this week?

And I am not surprised you post garbage as usual.
At least soviet gerrymandering did not look like an actual salamander in your Superior "democracy".

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

So we're over a thousand pages in and yet barbos still can't find a single person on the fucking planet to agree with them.

Whole Russia, China, India Brasil agrees with me.

China doesn't care about Russia or Ukraine. They care about the impression of Local Might is right. They support the action because they want to do likewise with ascerting their authority over the region.

Brazil agreed with Russia when it was run by a pro-Putin stooge.

Right, anyone who disagree with you is a russian stooge.

I didn't aay China is a Russia stooge.

Good for you. So what do you want from me?
You want me to like Kiev regime? Not gonna happen.

I don't want anything from you. You lack the authority to affect Russian / Putin foreign policy decisions.

The point of my response was to counter the whole support for Russian invasion of Ukraine. Pro-Putin stooges and China. Clearly Ukraine doesn't support it, like you said they would in the beginning.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

One of the points he and others keep bringing up is apparent schizophrenia EU/US rulling monkeys have when they say that Putin:
1. Wanted to conquer (whole) Ukraine.

He tried to go straight for the capital, that didn't work.

2. Will invade other EU countries if Ukraine falls.

It'll take a while, seeing this military debacle has killed many and depleted the ground forces for Russia. In fact, Russia needs to use drones to attack deeper into Ukraine, because they lack the ability to occupy it.

3. Russian army is incompetent, dies in millions and only moved few kilometers into Ukraine.

Russian Navy has lost ships to Ukraine, who has no Navy. Also, lots of Russians have died and Russian progress has been very slow.

 

[barbos]

He tried to go straight for the capital, that didn't work.

It did work. Elensky agreed in Istanbul.
And it was not the point I and Mearseheimer was making. You intentionally and dishonestly ignore all the points your opponents make.

It'll take a while, seeing this military debacle has killed many and depleted the ground forces for Russia. In fact, Russia needs to use drones to attack deeper into Ukraine, because they lack the ability to occupy it.

No need for waiting. As I said, I can walk into the cemetery and count soldiers graves, they are clearly visible from far away.
Even your stupid CIA can do that with their satellites.

Russian Navy has lost ships to Ukraine, who has no Navy. Also, lots of Russians have died and Russian progress has been very slow.

Do houthis have Navy?
Your Navy lost aircrafts due to actions of fucking houthis.
In fact you were forced to leave the fucking area!
Your Navy is useless!
You lost to houthis, you lost in Afghanistan, you lost in Vietnam, you lost in Cuba.

 

[barbos]

So we're over a thousand pages in and yet barbos still can't find a single person on the fucking planet to agree with them.

Whole Russia, China, India Brasil agrees with me.

China doesn't care about Russia or Ukraine. They care about the impression of Local Might is right. They support the action because they want to do likewise with ascerting their authority over the region.

Brazil agreed with Russia when it was run by a pro-Putin stooge.

Right, anyone who disagree with you is a russian stooge.

I didn't aay China is a Russia stooge.

Good for you. So what do you want from me?
You want me to like Kiev regime? Not gonna happen.

I don't want anything from you. You lack the authority to affect Russian / Putin foreign policy decisions.

The point of my response was to counter the whole support for Russian invasion of Ukraine. Pro-Putin stooges and China. Clearly Ukraine doesn't support it, like you said they would in the beginning.

"Ukraine's" opinions do not concern me. They are irrelevant to me.

 

[barbos]

Not really a news, it was reported many times in the past.
Mayor of Tbillissi revealed how EU officials were trying to force Georgia to open second front against Russia in Georgia in 2022.
EU officials were kicking, screaming and threatening Georgian government.

What do you have to say about that?

 

[SLD]

Not really a news, it was reported many times in the past.
Mayor of Tbillissi revealed how EU officials were trying to force Georgia to open second front against Russia in Georgia in 2022.
EU officials were kicking, screaming and threatening Georgian government.

What do you have to say about that?

That they’d probably would have pushed the Russians back through Grozny, and more Chechnyans would join them, and then you’d argue how it was a great victory for Russia.

 

[barbos]

Not really a news, it was reported many times in the past.
Mayor of Tbillissi revealed how EU officials were trying to force Georgia to open second front against Russia in Georgia in 2022.
EU officials were kicking, screaming and threatening Georgian government.

What do you have to say about that?

That they’d probably would have pushed the Russians back through Grozny, and more Chechnyans would join them, and then you’d argue how it was a great victory for Russia.

Chechnyans? what do the have to do with this? are you drunk?
I will ask again, what do you think about the fact that EU was forcing Georgia to start a war with Russia in 2022?

 

[ZiprHead]

Not really a news, it was reported many times in the past.
Mayor of Tbillissi revealed how EU officials were trying to force Georgia to open second front against Russia in Georgia in 2022.
EU officials were kicking, screaming and threatening Georgian government.

What do you have to say about that?

That they’d probably would have pushed the Russians back through Grozny, and more Chechnyans would join them, and then you’d argue how it was a great victory for Russia.

Chechnyans? what do the have to do with this? are you drunk?
I will ask again, what do you think about the fact that EU was forcing Georgia to start a war with Russia in 2022?

No link so no one believes you.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

Well, Trump took office in January. He promised to end the war in 24 hours. Let's see... 24 x 30 x 7 = 5,040 hours (give or take a 100 or so).

Promises made!

Promises... kept?

 

[barbos]

Not really a news, it was reported many times in the past.
Mayor of Tbillissi revealed how EU officials were trying to force Georgia to open second front against Russia in Georgia in 2022.
EU officials were kicking, screaming and threatening Georgian government.

What do you have to say about that?

That they’d probably would have pushed the Russians back through Grozny, and more Chechnyans would join them, and then you’d argue how it was a great victory for Russia.

Chechnyans? what do the have to do with this? are you drunk?
I will ask again, what do you think about the fact that EU was forcing Georgia to start a war with Russia in 2022?

No link so no one believes you.

you don't believe the links, so what's the point?

Tbilisi mayor states EU is after Georgia with lies

Tbilisi Mayor Kakha Kaladze accused European Union officials on Monday of spreading “lies, slander and misinformation” to pressure Georgia, claiming

menafn.com

He added, “Direct threats, blackmail and insults were directed to the prime minister’s office to launch a second front. Promises were made: ‘we will help, you will be provided with everything, with appropriate equipment,’ etc.” He argued that taking steps such as imposing sanctions or engaging militarily against Russia would have been disastrous, stating that no responsible government could have pursued that path.

 

[ZiprHead]

Not really a news, it was reported many times in the past.
Mayor of Tbillissi revealed how EU officials were trying to force Georgia to open second front against Russia in Georgia in 2022.
EU officials were kicking, screaming and threatening Georgian government.

What do you have to say about that?

That they’d probably would have pushed the Russians back through Grozny, and more Chechnyans would join them, and then you’d argue how it was a great victory for Russia.

Chechnyans? what do the have to do with this? are you drunk?
I will ask again, what do you think about the fact that EU was forcing Georgia to start a war with Russia in 2022?

No link so no one believes you.

you don't believe the links, so what's the point?

Tbilisi mayor states EU is after Georgia with lies

Tbilisi Mayor Kakha Kaladze accused European Union officials on Monday of spreading “lies, slander and misinformation” to pressure Georgia, claiming

menafn.com

He added, “Direct threats, blackmail and insults were directed to the prime minister’s office to launch a second front. Promises were made: ‘we will help, you will be provided with everything, with appropriate equipment,’ etc.” He argued that taking steps such as imposing sanctions or engaging militarily against Russia would have been disastrous, stating that no responsible government could have pursued that path.

Thank you.

So let's examine the statements. How does a mayor get into the prime minister's office to know these things? Has the prime minister or a representative of the office stated similarly?

The Georgian Dream party is pro Russia. Georgia's prime minister is also a member of the party.

In 2024, Georgian Dream showed that it was willing to sacrifice relations with the West to strengthen its power at home by adopting repressive legislation. In theory, that should have caused a revolution in a country where the absolute majority of the population supports EU integration, and where the obligation to pursue a pro-Western policy is written into the constitution. Yet Georgian Dream was able to hold on to power by playing on the fragmentation of the opposition and the fear of war with Russia.

How Georgia’s Ruling Party Gambled on Trump—and Lost

Georgian Dream is entering a new era in which there is simply no prospect of the country joining the EU under the current government. Given Georgian society’s pro-Western leanings, it’s a risky time for the country.

carnegieendowment.org

Considering the lies that come from Russia, I take statements from Russian stooges in the same manner.

 

[barbos]

How does a mayor get into the prime minister's office to know these things?

Don't know, don't care.

The Georgian Dream party is pro Russia

says who? just because they don't do what you tell them to do does not make them pro-russian?
Even if they were? so what? how does that the facts that EU scum was trying to force them to start a war with Russia .... again?

In 2024, Georgian Dream showed that it was willing to sacrifice relations with the West to strengthen its power at home by adopting repressive legislation

That's a lie. Unless you accept that both EU and US have repressive legislations.

Discuss the fact of EU forcing Georgia to attack Russia.