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How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

Harry Bosch said:
unapologetic said:
What Russia Doesn’t Want You to Know About Your History


@barbos you implied that The Ukraine turned it's back on Russia because of US influance/propaganda.
I call bullshit on that. ALL the former Soviet stetes FEAR Russia. And want to join NATO. The invasions of Chechnya and the Ukraine only increase the fear and rush to the west. No US influance needed.
There was an old saying during the VietNam protests. "It's like grabing sand. The tighter your grip, the more slips through your fingers."
Russia is loosing aliais on it's own. And is trying to get them back by FORCE.
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Totally agree. Russia has no one to blame but itself. Putin was quoted once as saying that he wants a border with Ukraine that is similar to what the US and Canada have. A friendly border. Well dip shit, here's a hint! If you want friendly border countries, don't bully and bomb the shit out of them! Don't kidnap their children and bomb their infrastructure. Ironically, before Russia invaded, Ukraine was really split in half. About half the country wanted to go west, the other half was mostly Russian speaking and preferred the east. That has totally swapped now. Most of that country hates Russia now.
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I would say that it is a bit more complicated than that half of the country preferred to go with Russia. It was more that younger Ukrainians all across Ukraine wanted a Western future rather than one with Russia. As time went by, Russia saw that the Ukrainian electorate really wasn't into becoming like Russia. That is why Russia started to resort to military action.

Note that Zelenskyy is Russian-speaking, still has been Western-oriented the entire time.

Of course, the Russian invasion has turned even many of those more inclined to Russia against it.
 
Tammuz said:
Harry Bosch said:
unapologetic said:
What Russia Doesn’t Want You to Know About Your History


@barbos you implied that The Ukraine turned it's back on Russia because of US influance/propaganda.
I call bullshit on that. ALL the former Soviet stetes FEAR Russia. And want to join NATO. The invasions of Chechnya and the Ukraine only increase the fear and rush to the west. No US influance needed.
There was an old saying during the VietNam protests. "It's like grabing sand. The tighter your grip, the more slips through your fingers."
Russia is loosing aliais on it's own. And is trying to get them back by FORCE.
Click to expand...


Totally agree. Russia has no one to blame but itself. Putin was quoted once as saying that he wants a border with Ukraine that is similar to what the US and Canada have. A friendly border. Well dip shit, here's a hint! If you want friendly border countries, don't bully and bomb the shit out of them! Don't kidnap their children and bomb their infrastructure. Ironically, before Russia invaded, Ukraine was really split in half. About half the country wanted to go west, the other half was mostly Russian speaking and preferred the east. That has totally swapped now. Most of that country hates Russia now.
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I would say that it is a bit more complicated than that half of the country preferred to go with Russia. It was more that younger Ukrainians all across Ukraine wanted a Western future rather than one with Russia. As time went by, Russia saw that the Ukrainian electorate really wasn't into becoming like Russia. That is why Russia started to resort to military action.

Note that Zelenskyy is Russian-speaking, still has been Western-oriented the entire time.

Of course, the Russian invasion has turned even many of those more inclined to Russia against it.
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You parrot EU media lies rather well.
 
Something to watch is Ukraine repeatedly bombing the same fuel facilities instead of randomly hitting various ones. With Trump as expected dithering on sanctions, is Ukraine going to increasingly take matters into their own hands and basically fight an economic war while Russia fights its meat war. If so, who will collapse first, Ukrainian troops or the Russian economy?
With Ukraine’s new Flamingo missile, can they, will they go after Russia’s shadow fleet?
 
TV and credit cards said:
With Ukraine’s new Flamingo missile, can they, will they go after Russia’s shadow fleet?
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LOL, you really think they will be able to produce it?
Their own plan (utterly unrealistic) is to start producing it next (!!!) year.
Missile itself is utter garbage (slow, easily visible to radars). It can only be somewhat effective if used as part of massive strikes.
And no, it can't be used on moving targets. It needs US satellite data.
TV and credit cards said:
If so, who will collapse first, Ukrainian troops or the Russian economy?
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What troops? Ukraine barely has any troops. They move around the same divisions trying to plug holes in their "defense".
 
barbos said:
barbos said:
Meanwhile, prominent Maidan nazi
Andriy Parubiy was assassinated in Ukraine. In later years he was not very active, though.
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Killer who was caught says that it was revenge to Kiev regime.
His son died in this war.
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I suspect that this might become a trend. Ordinary people who lost relatives in this war randomly killing prominent maidan scum.
 
Perhaps Modi will settle the Russian-Ukranian conflict even if Trump is given the Nobel Prize. :D
Modi is not mad after a Nobel Prize. He has the confidence of both the parties.
 
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aupmanyav said:
Perhaps Modi will settle the Russian-Ukranian conflict even if Trump is given the Nobel Prize. :D
Modi is not mad after a Nobel Prize.
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How can he do that? Refusing to buy Russian oil? There are still Chinese. It would hurt India more than Russia.
Trump can settle it himself and do that in hours. All he needs to do is to call Elensky and say "No more weapons, money, intelligence and Starlink for you, agree to everything Russia demands"
 
Barbos said: "How can he do that? Refusing to buy Russian oil?"

When has Modi said that he would not buy oil from Russia? The American 50% tariffs are, at least, partly because of that. Modi is as firm as rock about sovereignty of India's policies.
NATO, US or Trump would never like to stop arming Ukraine. It is a proxy war at the cost of Ukrainians.
 
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