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How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

Russian authorities revealed data

That would be a first. They usually reveal made up shit. Got any links to this "data" barbos?
Didn't think so. Guess it's more made up shit.

How FSB let her in is beyond my understanding.

Like so many other things... add it to the list.
Putler loves him some fascists. His most senior generals, his most senior advisors (like Dugina) -
ALL FASCISTS.
 
Russian authorities revealed data on ukrainian terrorist who assassinated Dugina.
It's a woman and she had been known to be Azov regiment soldier prior to the event. How FSB let her in is beyond my understanding.
The US intelligence system knew terrorists were on the planes on 9/11. Reactions usually shift after the rules of engagement change.

The better question to ask is why Russian forces are still waging military war on Ukraine when you guys won and the Ukrainians all welcomed the Russians months ago.
But it is what it is.
Russia's Motto
Plus, ukrainian scam used russian "opposition" idiots in Ukraine to publish crap on Dugin just hours before terrorist act.
Yes, bombing a car and killing a civilian is terrorism, but bombing Ukraine and killing thousands is simply the reunification.
 
The area that Russia has conquered so far is most of 18th-cy. Novorossiya, "New Russia", where lots of Russian colonists were invited in. The rest of Ukraine was formerly part of the Kievan Rus and the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.
Kievan Rus is technically Russia. Ukrainian nazi have persistent linguistic butthurt about that.
So I agree, Russia should take back what was and IS Russia and leave nazi scam to Poland. In the end there will be no independent Ukraine left. There will be historical area called Ukraine which, in case you did not know, literally means "Outskirts" (of Russian Empire)
By the way, I agree with you that Russia's goal is to take all of Ukraine and most likely the Baltics. All of the Putler whines about why Ukraine won't negotiate with us is just a farce. Russia has no intention of negotiating with the Ukraine or the west in good faith. The Russians won't war.
Russia drew the red line with Ukraine, you can have your Baltic states puppets, especially if you tell them to behave.
 
Yes, bombing a car and killing a civilian is terrorism, but bombing Ukraine and killing thousands is simply the reunification
American military experts are on records saying that Russian military operation is extremely accurate and measured, unlike what you did in Iraq/Afghanistan/etc.
 
The area that Russia has conquered so far is most of 18th-cy. Novorossiya, "New Russia", where lots of Russian colonists were invited in. The rest of Ukraine was formerly part of the Kievan Rus and the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.
Kievan Rus is technically Russia. Ukrainian nazi have persistent linguistic butthurt about that.
So I agree, Russia should take back what was and IS Russia and leave nazi scam to Poland. In the end there will be no independent Ukraine left. There will be historical area called Ukraine which, in case you did not know, literally means "Outskirts" (of Russian Empire)
By the way, I agree with you that Russia's goal is to take all of Ukraine and most likely the Baltics. All of the Putler whines about why Ukraine won't negotiate with us is just a farce. Russia has no intention of negotiating with the Ukraine or the west in good faith. The Russians won't war.
Russia drew the red line with Ukraine, you can have your Baltic states puppets, especially if you tell them to behave.
And 4 years later, we'll read about how those nations never existed and their names actually mean "Russian Puppet State", as the Russian troops move in to free those Russian territories of more nazis, who hide out at schools, theaters, and hospitals.
 
American military experts are on records saying that Russian military operation is extremely accurate

Why can't you reveal your sources for these extraordinary bits of propa - er, information?
 
Yes, bombing a car and killing a civilian is terrorism, but bombing Ukraine and killing thousands is simply the reunification
American military experts are on records saying that Russian military operation is extremely accurate and measured, unlike what you did in Iraq/Afghanistan/etc.
Are you saying Russia gets kudos for killing thousands of civilians instead of tens to hundreds of thousands?

Killing a Russian civilian is "terrorism", but thousands of Ukrainians civilians is "accurate and measured".
 
American military experts are on records saying that Russian military operation is extremely accurate

Why can't you reveal your sources for these extraordinary bits of propa - er, information?
It isn't inaccurate. Russia hasn't waged an unrestricted bombing campaign on Ukraine. And I'm certain Russia has hit all sorts of targets like theaters and hospitals quite accurately and intentionally.
 
Russian authorities revealed data

That would be a first. They usually reveal made up shit. Got any links to this "data" barbos?
Didn't think so. Guess it's more made up shit.

How FSB let her in is beyond my understanding.

Like so many other things... add it to the list.
Putler loves him some fascists. His most senior generals, his most senior advisors (like Dugina) -
ALL FASCISTS.
Let's go back an review the Malaysia Airlines 17 threads to see just what kind of "data" they like to reveal.
 
American military experts are on records saying that Russian military operation is extremely accurate

Why can't you reveal your sources for these extraordinary bits of propa - er, information?
It isn't inaccurate. Russia hasn't waged an unrestricted bombing campaign on Ukraine. And I'm certain Russia has hit all sorts of targets like theaters and hospitals quite accurately and intentionally.
Yes, Russia did hit "theaters" and "hospitals" with ukrainian millitary in it.
You have a problem with it?
In contrast ukrainian regime is bombing civilian areas randomly.
 
Yes, bombing a car and killing a civilian is terrorism, but bombing Ukraine and killing thousands is simply the reunification
American military experts are on records saying that Russian military operation is extremely accurate and measured, unlike what you did in Iraq/Afghanistan/etc.
Are you saying Russia gets kudos for killing thousands of civilians instead of tens to hundreds of thousands?

Killing a Russian civilian is "terrorism", but thousands of Ukrainians civilians is "accurate and measured".
Again, It's ukrainian side who is targeting civilians. Russian side is killing ukrainian soldiers.
 
Yes, Russia did hit "theaters" and "hospitals" with ukrainian millitary in it.

No evidence of that.

You have a problem with it?

I have a problem with your lies. Your telltale inability to link to sources gives you away.
For instance:

In contrast ukrainian regime is bombing civilian areas randomly.

My apologies - they're not YOUR lies.
Did you always aspire to being Putler's parrot?
 
Yes, bombing a car and killing a civilian is terrorism, but bombing Ukraine and killing thousands is simply the reunification
American military experts are on records saying that Russian military operation is extremely accurate and measured, unlike what you did in Iraq/Afghanistan/etc.
Are you saying Russia gets kudos for killing thousands of civilians instead of tens to hundreds of thousands?

Killing a Russian civilian is "terrorism", but thousands of Ukrainians civilians is "accurate and measured".
Again, It's ukrainian side who is targeting civilians. Russian side is killing ukrainian soldiers.
Man, with such unbelievable and unprecedented accuracy, it is a mystery why Russia is stuck in a pathetic quagmire, instead of ruling over Ukraine today.
 
American military experts are on records saying that Russian military operation is extremely accurate

Why can't you reveal your sources for these extraordinary bits of propa - er, information?
It isn't inaccurate. Russia hasn't waged an unrestricted bombing campaign on Ukraine. And I'm certain Russia has hit all sorts of targets like theaters and hospitals quite accurately and intentionally.
Yes, Russia did hit "theaters" and "hospitals" with ukrainian millitary in it.
Oh... so the story isn't Ukraine attacked itself now, but that Ukrainian military was in those locations.
You have a problem with it?
Unjustified war... yeah. Especially when you were posting months ago about how it was just about over.
In contrast ukrainian regime is bombing civilian areas randomly.
They lack the resources to be doing as such. And it seems kind of sad that you are saying Russia is too weak to prevent Ukrainian attacks.
 
Yes, bombing a car and killing a civilian is terrorism, but bombing Ukraine and killing thousands is simply the reunification
American military experts are on records saying that Russian military operation is extremely accurate and measured, unlike what you did in Iraq/Afghanistan/etc.

Baloney. Russia has run out of smart weapons and is using dumb munitions that are anything but accurate. Ukraine's air force is still operational. Rusian soldiers are stealing everything not nailed down and raping and killing civillians. It is getting into mud season, and when winter comes, Russian military will grind to a halt as inadequte gasoline supplies are wasted by Russian soldiers in tanks, personnel carriers and trucks desperately try not to freeze to death.
 
it seems kind of sad that you are saying Russia is too weak to prevent Ukrainian attacks.

Making shit up always leads to that kind of conundrum.
Remember - this is the "There will be no invasion" guy.
He has been lying - or rather spreading Putler's lies - from the start.
 
Russian authorities revealed data on ukrainian terrorist who assassinated Dugina.
It's a woman and she had been known to be Azov regiment soldier prior to the event. How FSB let her in is beyond my understanding. But it is what it is. Plus, ukrainian scam used russian "opposition" idiots in Ukraine to publish crap on Dugin just hours before terrorist act.

It's obvious that the FSB would never have let that happen, if they knew she was a pro-Ukrainian fighter, so it's likely that you are being lied to. Either they didn't know, or they are making up the story that she is responsible for the assassination. This was predictable before Putin decided to start this unprovoked phase of the attempt to take over a huge country like Ukraine. Russian passports are being handed out like crazy to Ukrainians living in occupied territories, and many are going to bitterly oppose the invasion of their country, regardless of whether they speak Ukrainian or not. So Russia is handing out citizenship to people who might well be motivated to commit terrorist acts against Putin's regime. The SZR (Служба зовнішньої розвідки України or  Foreign Intelligence Service of Ukraine) may or may not have had something to do with the assassination, but they are likely to be just as active in Russia as the FSB is in Ukraine. Putin brought this shitstorm down on you, and it isn't going to end for a long time. The hatred and animosities that existed prior to the invasion were like nothing compared to what they are now. And now you have even more NATO territory bordering your country than before the invasion. What utter stupidity.
 
I think Ukraine's stance of public declarations of not negotiating is still a bad idea. It makes it harder to come to the table later. Right now, Ukraine could easily say it's ready to negotiate at any time, because Russia is going to decline the offer anyway.
A disingenuous offer wouldn’t benefit them in the long run IMO. It would encourage Russia, as it would be taken as a lack of resolve.
It wouldn't have to be disingenuous. Even if Ukraine's current position is that it wants Russia to withdraw to February 23 borders, there are other things to discuss like the status of Crimea and Donbas, and security guarantees for both countries.
 
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