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How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

Jayjay said:
Cheerful Charlie said:
Meanwhile, back in Crimea, life gets harder for Russian forces.

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Ukrainian Armed Forces confirm strikes on Chonhar and Henichensk bridges

The Ukrainian army stuck two bridges connecting Crimea with the Russian-occupied part of Kherson Oblast, forcing Russian forces to detour to much longer western route and creating the condition for a breakthrough in the Russian defense, the UK's Institute for the Study of War (ISW) said in its Aug. 6 update
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www.yahoo.com

Ukraine knocks out two critical bridges used by Russia to supply southern troops from Crimea – ISW

The Ukrainian army stuck two bridges connecting Crimea with the Russian-occupied part of Kherson Oblast, forcing Russian forces to detour to much longer western route and creating the condition for a breakthrough in the Russian defense, the UK's Institute for the Study of War (ISW) said in its...
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These bridges don't seem irreplaceable to me. Setting up a pontoon bridge next to the damaged one doesn't take that long.

Also, Ukraine's counter-offensive was a dud, so sporadic strikes like this don't do as much harm as they would if there was a bigger offensive going on. Ukraine is still conducting just small infantry attacks and maybe sparing its reserves for the future.
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There have already been attempts by Russia to use pontoon bridges to cross rivers into Ukrainian territory. The Ukrainian response was swift and deadly.
 
Cheerful Charlie said:
Jayjay said:
Cheerful Charlie said:
Meanwhile, back in Crimea, life gets harder for Russian forces.

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Ukrainian Armed Forces confirm strikes on Chonhar and Henichensk bridges

The Ukrainian army stuck two bridges connecting Crimea with the Russian-occupied part of Kherson Oblast, forcing Russian forces to detour to much longer western route and creating the condition for a breakthrough in the Russian defense, the UK's Institute for the Study of War (ISW) said in its Aug. 6 update
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www.yahoo.com

Ukraine knocks out two critical bridges used by Russia to supply southern troops from Crimea – ISW

The Ukrainian army stuck two bridges connecting Crimea with the Russian-occupied part of Kherson Oblast, forcing Russian forces to detour to much longer western route and creating the condition for a breakthrough in the Russian defense, the UK's Institute for the Study of War (ISW) said in its...
www.yahoo.com www.yahoo.com
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These bridges don't seem irreplaceable to me. Setting up a pontoon bridge next to the damaged one doesn't take that long.

Also, Ukraine's counter-offensive was a dud, so sporadic strikes like this don't do as much harm as they would if there was a bigger offensive going on. Ukraine is still conducting just small infantry attacks and maybe sparing its reserves for the future.
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There have already been attempts by Russia to use pontoon bridges to cross rivers into Ukrainian territory. The Ukrainian response was swift and deadly.
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These bridges are nowhere near the front line. They can't be reached with artillery, or even Himars rockets. Which means Russia will have plenty of time to setup the pontoons, and even fix the bridge itself so it has multiple alternatives. Can Ukraine keep hitting them like it did in Nova Kakhovka and Antonovsky bridges? Sure, but not that often. And they aren't the only supply routes to begin with.
 
Jayjay said:
As if China would ask Russia's permission.
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Russia is fine with Turkey doing way worse shit. And in this particular case I see no reason whatsoever to complain.
You are the one who need to complain about Mexico and Brasil saying "Fuck the US"
Jayjay said:
It's not pointless, but it's like treading water. Ukraine has to keep blowing up ammunition depots and bridges behind enemy lines just to keep the Russian forces in the front line short of artillery shells.
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Ukraine is the one short of ammo now. Western propaganda loves to bitch about every success of terrorist regime in Kiev, regardless of how insignificant it is.
 
Jayjay said:
Cheerful Charlie said:
Jayjay said:
Cheerful Charlie said:
Meanwhile, back in Crimea, life gets harder for Russian forces.

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Ukrainian Armed Forces confirm strikes on Chonhar and Henichensk bridges

The Ukrainian army stuck two bridges connecting Crimea with the Russian-occupied part of Kherson Oblast, forcing Russian forces to detour to much longer western route and creating the condition for a breakthrough in the Russian defense, the UK's Institute for the Study of War (ISW) said in its Aug. 6 update
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www.yahoo.com

Ukraine knocks out two critical bridges used by Russia to supply southern troops from Crimea – ISW

The Ukrainian army stuck two bridges connecting Crimea with the Russian-occupied part of Kherson Oblast, forcing Russian forces to detour to much longer western route and creating the condition for a breakthrough in the Russian defense, the UK's Institute for the Study of War (ISW) said in its...
www.yahoo.com www.yahoo.com
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These bridges don't seem irreplaceable to me. Setting up a pontoon bridge next to the damaged one doesn't take that long.

Also, Ukraine's counter-offensive was a dud, so sporadic strikes like this don't do as much harm as they would if there was a bigger offensive going on. Ukraine is still conducting just small infantry attacks and maybe sparing its reserves for the future.
Click to expand...

There have already been attempts by Russia to use pontoon bridges to cross rivers into Ukrainian territory. The Ukrainian response was swift and deadly.
Click to expand...
These bridges are nowhere near the front line. They can't be reached with artillery, or even Himars rockets. Which means Russia will have plenty of time to setup the pontoons, and even fix the bridge itself so it has multiple alternatives. Can Ukraine keep hitting them like it did in Nova Kakhovka and Antonovsky bridges? Sure, but not that often. And they aren't the only supply routes to begin with.
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WASHINGTON ― The U.S. announced Friday it will send Ukraine the ground-launched small-diameter bomb, a weapon that can double Kyiv’s strike range, as part of its latest military aid package, worth $2.17 billion.

The package’s GPS-guided GLSDB from Boeing has a range of 93 miles and can be launched from mobile artillery systems like the High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems, or HIMARS. It comes after reports the Biden administration was considering helping Ukraine target the Crimean peninsula, which Russia has been using to launch strikes.
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www.defensenews.com

US pledges longer-range ‘small-diameter bomb’ for Ukraine

The U.S. announced Friday it will send Ukraine the Boeing-made ground-launched small-diameter bomb, a weapon that can double its strike range.
www.defensenews.com www.defensenews.com
 
barbos said:
Jayjay said:
It's not pointless, but it's like treading water. Ukraine has to keep blowing up ammunition depots and bridges behind enemy lines just to keep the Russian forces in the front line short of artillery shells.
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Ukraine is the one short of ammo now. Western propaganda loves to bitch about every success of terrorist regime in Kiev, regardless of how insignificant it is.
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Ukraine has been short on ammo since day one. But the gap has narrowed.
 
Jayjay said:
I doubt that. The soviet ATGMs that Ukraine and Russia had are garbage compared to Javelins. I suppose Ukraine might have been able to push back Russia even without the Javelins, but they were at least very helpful.
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First, Russia has not really used tanks since the initial "parade". So thee javelins were literally uselless.
Second, Russia does not nees do use their man portable ATGM, Russia has helicopters, lancets and mines.
 
Jayjay said:
Ukraine has been short on ammo since day one. But the gap has narrowed.
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No, it's not narrowing. Nazis are now using cluster ammo. And it is utterly useless for offensive operations. There are videos with russian soldiers literally laughing at these. On the other hand,Russia has now started to use their cluster ammo against light infantry idiots trying to march to their positions in the open field.
 
It's showtime.

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MOSCOW, February 8. /TASS/. US-made GLSDBs (Ground Launched Small Diameter Bombs) with a 150 km strike range have apparently been delivered to the Kiev regime and will soon appear on the front line that will have to be moved farther away, Vladimir Rogov, chairman of the We Are Together with Russia public movement, said on Wednesday.
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tass.com

US-made 150 km GLSDB bombs apparently delivered to Kiev regime, says official

On February 3, the US Department of Defense announced another military aid package worth $2.175 billion for Ukraine
tass.com tass.com
 
Cheerful Charlie said:
WASHINGTON ― The U.S. announced Friday it will send Ukraine the ground-launched small-diameter bomb, a weapon that can double Kyiv’s strike range, as part of its latest military aid package, worth $2.17 billion.


The package’s GPS-guided GLSDB from Boeing has a range of 93 miles and can be launched from mobile artillery systems like the High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems, or HIMARS. It comes after reports the Biden administration was considering helping Ukraine target the Crimean peninsula, which Russia has been using to launch strikes.
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www.defensenews.com

US pledges longer-range ‘small-diameter bomb’ for Ukraine

The U.S. announced Friday it will send Ukraine the Boeing-made ground-launched small-diameter bomb, a weapon that can double its strike range.
www.defensenews.com www.defensenews.com
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Even that article says that they could be delivered "in nine months". The article is from February so that means November, earliest. Possibly later. This is a completely new, untested weapon system, and I fail to see what capabilities it can bring that Ukraine already doesn't have with Storm Shadow.

Note that JDAM, another glide bomb, hasn't really been making much of a difference maker. Of course, as ground launched weapon GLSDB could be used closer to the front line and maybe that gives a little bit of an advantage, but otherwise it won't bring anything new to the table.
 
barbos said:
Jayjay said:
Ukraine has been short on ammo since day one. But the gap has narrowed.
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No, it's not narrowing. Nazis are now using cluster ammo. And it is utterly useless for offensive operations. There are videos with russian soldiers literally laughing at these. On the other hand,Russia has now started to use their cluster ammo against light infantry idiots trying to march to their positions in the open field.
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What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Russia has used cluster munitions since the beginning, so there's no difference there. And I wasn't talking about cluster munitions, they're a temporary measure at best.

The narrowing of the gap is not due to Ukraine having more ammo and cluster bombs, but Russia having less of it. In the early phases of the war, Russia could spend 20-40k artillery rounds per day. Now it's down to maybe 4-5k according to an estimate I've seen. And this is due to Ukraine being able to effectively hit Russian logistics and ammo dumps... but the catch is that they have to continue to do so throughout the war.
 
Jayjay said:
The narrowing of the gap is not due to Ukraine having more ammo and cluster bombs, but Russia having less of it. In the early phases of the war, Russia could spend 20-40k artillery rounds per day. Now it's down to maybe 4-5k according to an estimate I've seen. And this is due to Ukraine being able to effectively hit Russian logistics and ammo dumps... but the catch is that they have to continue to do so throughout the war.
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That's western propaganda and lies. Nazis did hit few amo dumps in the spring, but then russians simply spread that shit over larger territories and hitting it became pointless. Western propaganda keeps talking about because there is nothing else, Vikki Nuland counter-offensive has failed.
 
Jayjay said:
Even that article says that they could be delivered "in nine months". The article is from February so that means November, earliest. Possibly later. This is a completely new, untested weapon system, and I fail to see what capabilities it can bring that Ukraine already doesn't have with Storm Shadow.
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Storm Shadows are about to become useless. Russian strategic bombers are finally working on remaining Nazi LuftWaffe (needed to launch Storm Shadows)

These gps bombs are GPS guided and are essentially the same shit as HIMARS. The only apparent difference there are more of them.
But Russian Army jams GPS rather reliably.
Criminal regime in Washington is throwing everything in the hope to last until elections.
Ukrainians are dying so that 80 year old senile piece of shit and his gang can get reelected.
Franlky I think it's hopeless. There is no way it can last that long.
 
barbos said:
Jayjay said:
Even that article says that they could be delivered "in nine months". The article is from February so that means November, earliest. Possibly later. This is a completely new, untested weapon system, and I fail to see what capabilities it can bring that Ukraine already doesn't have with Storm Shadow.
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Storm Shadows are about to become useless. Russian strategic bombers are finally working on remaining Nazi LuftWaffe (needed to launch Storm Shadows)

These gps bombs are GPS guided and are essentially the same shit as HIMARS. The only apparent difference there are more of them.
But Russian Army jams GPS rather reliably.
Criminal regime in Washington is throwing everything in the hope to last until elections.
Ukrainians are dying so that 80 year old senile piece of shit and his gang can get reelected.
Franlky I think it's hopeless. There is no way it can last that long.
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It almost sounds like you feel bad for the Ukranians dying, but all it would take for the Ukranians to stop dying is for Russia to fucking stop killing them and go fucking home.

In truth Ukranians are dying because evil, corrupt, murdering, shit-guzzling Russians are killing them so that they can rape the Ukranian wives and children and steal their land. Standing up to morally bankrupt crimelords like Putin and his sniveling, internet, scumbag, sycophants is an honorable and intrinsically valuable activity all by itself. Nobody with half a conscience needs an ulterior motive to hate fetid excriment magots who support Putin.
 
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