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How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

aupmanyav said:
Brahmos goes with a speed of Mach 3.5. It utilises a "fire-and-forget" system, requiring no additional input from the operator once the missile has been launched. Fire it from land, air, sea or submarine (various versions).

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That's basically the Russian approach--fly high and fast. It makes you basically fight the whole defenses of whatever you're shooting at. Not very important if you're shooting at Pakistan but you'll need quite a few to hit of the major players. And it's a cruise missile, not ballistic. Thus you don't add the complications of exoatmospheric intercepts.
 
Loren Pechtel said:
That's basically the Russian approach--fly high and fast. It makes you basically fight the whole defenses of whatever you're shooting at. Not very important if you're shooting at Pakistan but you'll need quite a few to hit of the major players. And it's a cruise missile, not ballistic. Thus you don't add the complications of exoatmospheric intercepts.
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We have others too and are improving by the day. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barak_8
 
What a sorry motherfucker:


here is a city in question
en.wikipedia.org

Belgorod - Wikipedia

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It has no military targets which were ever hit, in fact I am not aware of any military targets there. Terrorist regime in Kiev started randomly shelling the city with unguided rockets this spring and a number of civilians have died.
Virtually nobody has left the town. And if they had that would mean that terrorist regime US supports forced 330K people to leave the city. Is that what you are saying here Mr. US government?
 
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Terrorist regime in Washington has been shelling Belgorod for a while now. Russians moved Air defence to protect the city and shoot down most of the unguided rockets you send. ATACMS has show to be easy target in Crimea. It's pretty much US version of Tochka-U which is easy to defend against. Cruise missiles ar harder to defend against.
US regime decision to shell Belgorod backfired with Russian Army moving buffer zone into Ukraine, toward Harkhov.
So it's ukranian occupiers are now evacuating from Harkhov.

Besides Belgorod and Crimea of course, there is not many populated area near Ukraine. So your plan to demonstrate weakness of Putin to protect civilian population will fail. Russia is too large to cover. Result will be the opposite. People will demand dismantling terrorist state called Ukraine.
 
aupmanyav said:
barbos said:
Terrorist nazi regimes does not really care what they hit, be it civilians in Belgorod or some radar which has not effect on the war.
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Missiles have guidance systems and they do not come cheap. The militaries aim them at definite targets. Of course, if they miss that and hit radars, that too is good. If they hit civilians, unfortunate, but collateral damage. War is a tough game.
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Terrorist puppet regime in Kiev use unguided missiles to randomly shell Belgorod.
As for the Early warning radar. People suggest that it's Israels doing. Radar covers Middle East and Regime in Kiev was trying to get Israel to help them any way they can. In return they show their willingness to hit radar which Russia use to monitor Middle East and no doubt share that data with Iran.

Radar itself is modular/easy to repair and damage is pretty much superficial. But Clown The Terrorist in Kiev thinks it's good PR that can get him favors from Israel.
 
aupmanyav said:
bilby said:
Disregarding the interests of people who are interested in killing you and taking all your stuff, isn't really a mistake, though, is it?
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Russians were not killing Ukrainians till 2013 when Ukraine elected Poroshenko as President.
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You mean when US overthrew democratically elected president Yanukovich and installed Nazi regime which started killing russians in former russian regions of Ukraine in their attempt to provoke Russian intervention?
 
France and Germany say Ukraine should be able to use their weapons to strike inside Russia | CNN - 12:44 PM EDT, Wed May 29, 2024
Previous red lines drawn by Western leaders in their support for Ukraine have been crossed, including the provision of tanks, which was agreed in early 2023 to help Ukraine breach enemy defensive lines, and F-16 fighter jets, which European governments agreed to in the summer of 2023 after months of diplomatic pressure.

France has supplied Ukraine with an unknown number of SCALP cruise missiles, according to the French Defense Ministry’s website.

The SCALP missiles have a range of up to 155 kilometers (96 miles) and carry a 400-kilogram (881-pound) high-explosive penetration warhead, according to the Missile Threat project at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

The SCALP is the equivalent of Britain’s Storm Shadow, which has also been given to Ukraine, and which British Foreign Secretary David Cameron said earlier this month could be used at Kyiv’s discretion.

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Meanwhile, Ukraine got a key pledge of support on Tuesday from Belgium, which said it will supply Kyiv with 30 F-16 fighter jets in the next four years, according to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.

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The meeting follows a similar agreement between Ukraine and Spain on Monday, with Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez announcing a $1.08 billion weapons deal for Ukraine.

Alongside Belgium and Spain, the United Kingdom, Germany, France, Italy, Denmark, Finland and Canada have also signed security agreements.
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A day later,
Biden gives Ukraine permission to carry out limited strikes within Russia using US weapons | CNN Politics - 4:54 PM EDT, Thu May 30, 2024
noting
Biden secretly gave Ukraine permission to strike inside Russia with US weapons - POLITICO - 05/30/2024 03:49 PM EDT - "It’s a major reversal that will help Ukraine to better defend its second-largest city."
The Biden administration has quietly given Ukraine permission to strike inside Russia — solely near the area of Kharkiv — using U.S.-provided weapons, two U.S. officials and two other people familiar with the move said Thursday, a major reversal that will help Ukraine to better defend its second-largest city.

“The president recently directed his team to ensure that Ukraine is able to use U.S. weapons for counter-fire purposes in Kharkiv so Ukraine can hit back at Russian forces hitting them or preparing to hit them,” a U.S. official said, adding that the policy of not allowing long-range strikes inside Russia “has not changed.”
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Why did they do that?
In effect, Ukraine can now use American-provided weapons, such as rockets and rocket launchers, to shoot down launched Russian missiles heading toward Kharkiv, at troops massing just over the Russian border near the city, or Russian bombers launching bombs toward Ukrainian territory. But the official said Ukraine cannot use those weapons to hit civilian infrastructure or launch long-range missiles, such as the Army Tactical Missile System, to hit military targets deep inside Russia.

It’s a stunning shift the administration initially said would escalate the war by more directly involving the U.S. in the fight. But worsening conditions for Ukraine on the battlefield –– namely Russia’s advances and improved position in Kharkiv –– led the president to change his mind.

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Those messages came after top U.S. allies, such as the United Kingdom and France, said Ukraine should have the right to attack inside Russia using Western weapons. Lawmakers from both parties also supported the move publicly and privately, while top U.S. military officials briefed Congress behind closed doors that relaxing the restriction had “military value,” POLITICO first reported.
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So it's not just the US, but a lot of Western Europe.
 
Lavrov's reaction to Matthew Miller claim that Belgorod was evacuated.
Speaking of which, I think diplomatic language could be counterproductive at this point.
Lavrov should start using ordinary everyday language and call spade a spade.
 

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Russia has an army of 800K trained soldiers, that's awfully close to 1mil Putin said Russia will need to take Kiev.
Draw your conclusions, ladies and gentlemen.
 
Survivors say Russia is waging a war of sexual violence in occupied areas of Ukraine. Men are often the victims | CNN

They turned his house inside out searching for incriminating evidence. A message in Shapovalenko’s phone that called Russian soldiers “orcs” — a derisive reference to the evil forces in J. R. R. Tolkien’s Middle-earth books and a popular Ukrainian slur for the Russian army — was enough for them. He said he was tied up, blindfolded and stuffed into an unmarked car.

For days after, Shapovalenko said he was repeatedly electrocuted in his genital area, threatened with being raped with a glass bottle, and was even made to believe he could be sterilized.

“They seemed to have a fetish for genitalia. Sometimes the door would open, and they would say: ‘We’re going to take out our batons and we’re going to rape everyone here,’” the 39-year-old farm manager told CNN.

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Noting Russia using rape as ‘military strategy’ in Ukraine: UN envoy | CNN from 2022 Oct 15

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Rape and sexual violence are explicitly prohibited by the Geneva Conventions – the set of international laws that regulate the conduct of armed conflict – and can constitute a war crime. Mock execution is considered a form of torture under international law.

Under the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (ICC), committing rape and sexual violence in a systematic or widespread way is considered a crime against humanity.

According to Ukrainian prosecutors investigating conflict-based sexual violence and abuse, all available evidence indicates that it is a deliberate tactic, part of Russia’s modus operandi in Ukraine.

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According to Andrii, the threats of rape and genital electrocution were the norm among the Russian forces. “They enjoyed it. They were having fun,” he said.

Ukrainian prosecutors have recorded incidents of Russian officials raping or attempting to rape victims using objects including batons, a pipe, a bottle, a handle of a shovel, a stick and a pen.
 
The west acknowledged that their so called Peace Summit in Switzerland is a fiasco and organizing new "peace" summit in Saudi Arabia or somewhere else. This time they invited Russia there.
 
lpetrich said:
Survivors say Russia is waging a war of sexual violence in occupied areas of Ukraine. Men are often the victims | CNN

They turned his house inside out searching for incriminating evidence. A message in Shapovalenko’s phone that called Russian soldiers “orcs” — a derisive reference to the evil forces in J. R. R. Tolkien’s Middle-earth books and a popular Ukrainian slur for the Russian army — was enough for them. He said he was tied up, blindfolded and stuffed into an unmarked car.

For days after, Shapovalenko said he was repeatedly electrocuted in his genital area, threatened with being raped with a glass bottle, and was even made to believe he could be sterilized.

“They seemed to have a fetish for genitalia. Sometimes the door would open, and they would say: ‘We’re going to take out our batons and we’re going to rape everyone here,’” the 39-year-old farm manager told CNN.

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Noting Russia using rape as ‘military strategy’ in Ukraine: UN envoy | CNN from 2022 Oct 15

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Rape and sexual violence are explicitly prohibited by the Geneva Conventions – the set of international laws that regulate the conduct of armed conflict – and can constitute a war crime. Mock execution is considered a form of torture under international law.

Under the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (ICC), committing rape and sexual violence in a systematic or widespread way is considered a crime against humanity.

According to Ukrainian prosecutors investigating conflict-based sexual violence and abuse, all available evidence indicates that it is a deliberate tactic, part of Russia’s modus operandi in Ukraine.

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According to Andrii, the threats of rape and genital electrocution were the norm among the Russian forces. “They enjoyed it. They were having fun,” he said.

Ukrainian prosecutors have recorded incidents of Russian officials raping or attempting to rape victims using objects including batons, a pipe, a bottle, a handle of a shovel, a stick and a pen.
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"According to Ukrainian prosecutors....." No need to read further.
Ukrainian and US government are pathological liars, which need to stop epidemics of surrenders where captured ukrainian soldiers say they are fine.
 
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Is Ukraine now drafting soldiers with Down syndrome?! | Tech ARP

Is Ukraine now forced to draft soldiers with Down syndrome?! Take a look at the viral claims, and find out what the facts really are!
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And no, it's not russian propaganda. At the very least it's ukrainian style "entertainment".
I served in Soviet army with retarded ukrainian, very western part of Ukraine.
Not down syndrome, but clearly retarded and not fit for military service. Suffice to say he was not let near weapons.
So it's not surprising.

Ukraine now mobilize people with all kind of medical problems including cancer.
Typical western idiot here on this forum, does not understand that Russia as a culture is way more western than Ukrainian Ukraine (Peter the Great and shit). To give you an analogy, "ukrainians" can be compared to rural areas trumper-rednecks in US.
Whereas russians are more like northern democratically leaning educated part of US.
It has always been this way. It is reflected in language itself and ukrainians themselves admit that If people speak ukrainian (in day to day life) then they are most certainly low class, uneducated "rednecks"

Again, ukrainians themselves say that. That's just how it is. And it's not surprising considering that education in Russian Empire and Soviet Union and in (!!!) "independent" Ukraine was in Russian.
They are trumpers (nazi-trumpers), and you support them. Hollywood and Mass Media have been creating this completely false picture of Russia and USSR for ages. And you are all victims of all this.
 
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This is what I am talking about. Google translate can translate (both speech and text, I checked) from ukrainian.
This is why there should not be independent Ukraine. Case closed. That cannot continue.
And while we at it, Fuck that piece of shit Biden for saying that it was US alone who defeated Nazi Germany.
You fucking piece of shit! You fucking scum mistakenly unaborted.
 
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