How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[barbos]

Your demented Pootie has mismanaged his war and gotten the cream of Russian youth slaughtered en masse

Average age of russian soldiers in Ukraine is around 30-35. And Russian losses are 5-10 times lower than Ukrainian.
I regularly pass local cemetery and do very rough estimate of russian losses.
This is 3 hours of ukrainian cemeteries:



But if you insist that Russia is losing, then fine. Why do you even complain?
We lose, you come and take all that land, is not that what you want?

 

[barbos]

USA will be buying cuban sugar soon.
By the way, in case you did not know. USA is only country in the world which uses fructosa in their soda (coca-cola, pepsi, etc) And it is one of the main causes of fat americans. You are literally dying becasue you want Cuba to suffer.
By the way, sugar based soda tastes better.

 

[barbos]

Another commentary.
Kamala leaving after few hours. Columbia pretty much telling Elensky to fuck off, that's gotta hurt, considering that Columbia is kinda US friend.

 

[bilby]

Putin is betting he can outlast the West i.e. the West will lose interest before he (Putin) runs out of soldiers or shells.
It's still an even money bet.

Nah. He's waiting in hope that his allies in the US Republican Party can stop or severely curtail US (or better still, NATO) military assistance to Ukraine.

Hey have already had some success in this regard; Even Biden is wary of the electoral consequences if he allows Ukraine to strike targets inside Russia with US supplied weapons systems.

Everything depends on the US elections in November; The results (and not only that of the Presidential contest) will likely determine the outcome of the war.

At this point, there are two major factions in the Republican Party - those who have swallowed the Russian propaganda and want to withdraw support for Ukraine (either because they think it won't hurt the US to do so, or because they fear that it will hurt the US not to do so, for example by provoking nuclear war); And those who stand to gain financially from Russian success, or have already been paid to take a pro-Russian stance.

The Democrats also include a third major faction - people who still back Ukraine and recognise that it's the right thing to do both morally, and in terms of the long term interests of the USA.

But Russian propaganda, and Russian money, are white-anting this third faction as much as they possibly can (we saw a drive-by post on this board a few days ago that is a tiny part of this systematic effort to erode pro-Ukraine feeling in the US).

 

[barbos]

 

[barbos]

Medvedev calls Biden senile old geezer. And Trudeau a blockhead, referring to his nazi salute-greeting during group photo.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Putin is betting he can outlast the West i.e. the West will lose interest before he (Putin) runs out of soldiers or shells.
It's still an even money bet.

Nah. He's waiting in hope that his allies in the US Republican Party can stop or severely curtail US (or better still, NATO) military assistance to Ukraine.

Hey have already had some success in this regard; Even Biden is wary of the electoral consequences if he allows Ukraine to strike targets inside Russia with US supplied weapons systems.

Everything depends on the US elections in November; The results (and not only that of the Presidential contest) will likely determine the outcome of the war.

At this point, there are two major factions in the Republican Party - those who have swallowed the Russian propaganda and want to withdraw support for Ukraine (either because they think it won't hurt the US to do so, or because they fear that it will hurt the US not to do so, for example by provoking nuclear war); And those who stand to gain financially from Russian success, or have already been paid to take a pro-Russian stance.

The Democrats also include a third major faction - people who still back Ukraine and recognise that it's the right thing to do both morally, and in terms of the long term interests of the USA.

But Russian propaganda, and Russian money, are white-anting this third faction as much as they possibly can (we saw a drive-by post on this board a few days ago that is a tiny part of this systematic effort to erode pro-Ukraine feeling in the US).

Or we could learn from history. Any country at war has to juggle the economy to continually find resources and funds to keep it going. That's always been true, back to the dawn of man, right back to when we were a species of chimpanzee. The point of continually pushing your enemy is to force them to commit more resources. Eventually one side will reach a point where enough people don't think it's worth to keep fighting. And it's not like they get together in a comittee and agree on surrendering. What happens is that parts of the social fabric starts to collapse and turn in on itself. The old figures of authority become targets of internal aggression. This breaking point tends to come unexpectedly and the collapse is rapid.

An interesting example of this is WW1 in Anatolia where the Russian and the Turkish fronts both collapse at the same time, creating a confused power vacuum (that the scrappy former oppressed Greeks took full advantage of).

Back when the Wagner group turned on Putin... that could have been the end of the war in Ukraine. Or right at the start, when Russia was rolling in on all fronts. Anybody in any strategic role knows this is how it works. This war can end at any moment. All it needs is a shift in the political landscape in either Russia or Ukraine, and this will be over in days.

There's a maxim for studying war. "Amateurs study tactics. Experts study logistics". It's the means that allow a side to fight that determines, above all else, if they will fight.

Nobody knows how close either Russia or Ukraine is to collapse. Both are straining. Both are suffering. Either side can reach their breaking point at any time.

A weakness with the Ukrainian side is how extremely dependent Ukraine is on USA. And USA isn't particularly dependable, because American comitment is heavily influenced by US party politics. While Europe doesn't have the balls or the will to back up Ukraine.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Putin is betting he can outlast the West i.e. the West will lose interest before he (Putin) runs out of soldiers or shells.
It's still an even money bet.

I agree. It's no different than the Cold War. Politics could change things, however, but only for the worse.

 

[Elixir]

Your demented Pootie has mismanaged his war and gotten the cream of Russian youth slaughtered

It’s ok, he’s replacing them with better ones he kidnapped from Ukraine.

 

[Elixir]

It's no different than the Cold War.

It’s like the Cold War, but with more genocide and Property Damage

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

Your demented Pootie has mismanaged his war and gotten the cream of Russian youth slaughtered en masse

Average age of russian soldiers in Ukraine is around 30-35. And Russian losses are 5-10 times lower than Ukrainian.
I regularly pass local cemetery and do very rough estimate of russian losses.
This is 3 hours of ukrainian cemeteries:



But if you insist that Russia is losing, then fine. Why do you even complain?
We lose, you come and take all that land, is not that what you want?

No. I want Russia to leave Ukraine.
To stop murdering Ukrainians.
To pay Ukraine to rebuild what Russia destroyed.
To admit what Russia did in Ukraine was not acceptable.
To stop lying Russian agitprop.

 

[DrZoidberg]

It's no different than the Cold War.

It’s like the Cold War, but with more genocide and Property Damage

It's still not recommended to brush your teeth with Vietnamese water, due to the Agent Orange residue. What caracterised the cold war was proxy wars, just like the one in Ukraine

 

[Jarhyn]

Your demented Pootie has mismanaged his war and gotten the cream of Russian youth slaughtered en masse

Average age of russian soldiers in Ukraine is around 30-35. And Russian losses are 5-10 times lower than Ukrainian.
I regularly pass local cemetery and do very rough estimate of russian losses.
This is 3 hours of ukrainian cemeteries:



But if you insist that Russia is losing, then fine. Why do you even complain?
We lose, you come and take all that land, is not that what you want?

No. I want Russia to leave Ukraine.
To stop murdering Ukrainians.
To pay Ukraine to rebuild what Russia destroyed.
To admit what Russia did in Ukraine was not acceptable.
To stop lying Russian agitprop.

Putin stooge says say nyet?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Your demented Pootie has mismanaged his war and gotten the cream of Russian youth slaughtered en masse

Average age of russian soldiers in Ukraine is around 30-35. And Russian losses are 5-10 times lower than Ukrainian.
I regularly pass local cemetery and do very rough estimate of russian losses.
This is 3 hours of ukrainian cemeteries:



But if you insist that Russia is losing, then fine. Why do you even complain?
We lose, you come and take all that land, is not that what you want?

Yes, nothing dystopian at all about considering Russia as doing well, this deep into an invasion of a country they intended to take over in a couple weeks.

 

[TV and credit cards]

The state of NATO today.
What has Putin accomplished aside from adding to its membership?
Let's take a look.


Canada!

In other news

NATO Aggression
NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg wants to dust off some nuclear missiles currently in storage and place them on heightened alert. Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov calls this an escalation of tension.

Prepare to be Boarded
Denmark is looking at ways to stop decrepit Russian oil tankers from passing through the Danish Straits. That's about a third of Russia's seagoing oil exports. These ships are an environmental hazard. Russia is crying about some old treaty from 1857. I think environmental concerns dictate it's high time for an update.

 

[pood]

You're not wrong. You're absolutely not wrong. However one of those two is making a decision and surrounding himself with younger people who have fresh ideas. "New Blood", you might say.

Yes, new blood with fresh ideas about how to start nuclear war.

Putin is the only one to have threatened to use nukes over the Ukraine war.

That's patently false. The first one was your demented president when early on, during war, said "F-16 in Ukraine means nuclear war"

Cite, please? Prove he said this.

Russia said nothing. Then your media started campaign of lies claiming that Russia threatens to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine (no such thing was even remotely implied by the Russian side). Then your demented president agreed to send F-16s (which according to him meant nuclear war). Russia conducted tactical nukes drills in responce.
Sorry dude, it's you not us.

Total bullshit. Russian government officials and talking heads in state-run media have been making nuclear threats since the get-go, including specifically nuking Paris and London. You just brazenly ignore reality and make shit up out of whole cloth. Like Trump and Adolf Putin, your idols.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Prepare to be Boarded
Denmark is looking at ways to stop decrepit Russian oil tankers from passing through the Danish Straits. That's about a third of Russia's seagoing oil exports. These ships are an environmental hazard. Russia is crying about some old treaty from 1857. I think environmental concerns dictate it's high time for an update.

That's a bargaining chip, a big one. Tell the fucking Ruskies to leave Ukraine or find another shipping strait.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

Decrepit Russian navy.

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One of Russia's most advanced new submarines, which just left Cuba, is "falling apart" with damage on its hull, according to an OSINT analyst.

Marijn Markus, a managing consultant at the Capgemini IT firm, shared four photos of the nuclear-powered Kazan in a LinkedIn post on Monday.

Markus pointed to soundproofing panels "falling off" the front part of the submarine's hull. That would ruin its stealth capabilities, he said, making it "very" loud underwater and causing it to light up on sonar.

He also pointed to what he described as a "gaping" hole at the sub's midsection.

"While docked, Russian divers were seen around the sub, presumably trying to repair the tin tub," he said.
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A Russian submarine that just left Cuba is 'falling apart' with its soundproofing panels falling off

One of Russia's nuclear-powered cruise missile submarines was seen "falling apart," an OSINT analyst said, reviewing footage of the vessel in Cuba.

www.yahoo.com

 

[aupmanyav]

Then why be adversaries? If Russia ceased its imperialism of other countries and quit threatening the world with nuclear war, there would be no need to be adversaries.

NATO has forced Russia to be an adversary. Smart people. They are using Ukrainians to fight Russians. They do not worry about Ukraine or its people.

 

[aupmanyav]

For some reason aupy admires this behavior. Can't say why.

I neither admire Putins action nor NATO's action. I understand the compulsions of Russia and the strategy of NATO. Russia does not give me an honorarium.