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How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

There are an estimated 2.9 million people of Russian descent in the United States, making them the second largest ethnic group of foreign-born people in the country. The New York metropolitan area has the largest Russian American population, with the largest communities in Brooklyn's Brighton Beach and Sheepshead Bay.
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I guess Putin should invade NYC to save Russians from the Nazis?

And of course Alaska needs to be taken back by Russia to get rid of all those Alaskan Nazis.

The 'desperate despot' Putin is squirming like a frog held by its leg.

And another day and the war goes on.More Russians dead and crippled.

Putin is filled with hate against the west over imaginary threats. The result of Russian communism.

It is not propaganda Barbos. It is clear Putin has sent many young Russians to their death in Ukraine for no reason other than Putin's fantasy of Russian empire and power.
 
google showed Patriot batteries at Kiev airport
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apparently map was created from 2023 data,
Interesting and weird that Regime in Kiev apparently has/had Tu-22s and Mig-29s and Su-24.
I wonder if any of these planes operational.
 
barbos said:
steve_bank said:
It is not propaganda Barbos. It is clear Putin has sent many young Russians to their death in Ukraine for no reason other than Putin's fantasy of Russian empire and power.
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As I said, your propaganda is better, because you believe it.
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Not so much a belief in propaganda, more a p[pragmatic choice.

We have ideals, and real humans collectedly can strive for ideals but we never really get there. Governments are a necessary evil.

All human governments will have corruption and abuse of power. I think us Americans know that well enough. I grew up hearing you can not bivalve everything you read in the newspapers and
'you can't trust city hall meaning we need a healthy skepticism about government.

As I got older I made a reasoned choice, governments that serve to protect indvidual rights are beetr than givernmnts that are authoyerian to make it simple.

Trump is oir frst serious thrteat to principles, he wnats to be an suthopterian with governmnt loyal to him not the people. One of the weakneses of pur systyem, the only reuorent for congress or the presidncy is gettng lected. Hopefully if he back in office our klegaln systen will hold its indepence as it did before.

In my gneration we allsaw what communism did and all bnit a few Amercans rejcted it. We had a recnt city coucl women who is communist, amd we have communiss in the academc system.

Anoyer ideal, divesity in views is better than an oppressive government supressingh opposi8ng voices.

We all know the hstry of the USA and what has been done. What then fguders ghave us was a system that can change, and we have cnged comtunually. Unlike Russia with a Putin and his one sded view rulling Russia by fear.

Our [rmary ideal, governments are created to portect not rule the people. The people have a say by free elctions, free speech, and free media.

The antithesisof Russia and China.

Not propaganda the way thingss are.

You are makng a false eqivalnce between Russia and Anerfca as another weak atempt at justifying the attack and destruction of Ukarien.

Sayng my propaganda is beter because I believe it is another weak arghumnt to justify your support of Putin.
 
steve_bank said:
The 'desperate despot' Putin is squirming like a frog held by its leg.
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Not hardly. Adolph Putin is in complete control. He is in more control than his hero from Germany ever was. Russian Hitler is KGB. Those guys don't squirm, ever.

steve_bank said:
And another day and the war goes on. More Russians dead and crippled.
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And that doesn't matter. The Russian population fears Putin and his tactics much more than they fear the west.

steve_bank said:
Putin is filled with hate against the west over imaginary threats.
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Baloney. Russian Hitler knows exactly what he is doing and he doesn't hate the west anymore than you or I do. He simply cultivates a fear of the west to enrich himself while he keeps the Russian population neutered.

steve_bank said:
It is clear Putin has sent many young Russians to their death in Ukraine for no reason other than Putin's fantasy of Russian empire and power.
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Close to being true. Russian Hitler may indeed fantasize about past Russian glory but he's more interested in personal wealth and power and will kill anyone and anything that stands in his way so long as he can get away with it. Dead, wounded, Russian soldiers are the least of his concerns. He's cagey enough to get North Koreans to die in Ukraine instead of more Russians. Give the guy credit. He knows there is a point where he can't just keep killing Russians even though he would kill millions without any regret if he could get away with it.
 
You see, you parrot utter garbage which you see on your MSM and believe it.
That's why your propaganda is so great, you simply believe it is not.
Hitlers are in Washington and around it.
 
You see, you parrot utter garbage which you see on your government controlled Media and believe it.
That's why your propaganda is so great, you aren't allowed to question it.
Hitlers are in Moscow and around it.
 
ZiprHead said:
You see, you parrot utter garbage which you see on your government controlled Media and believe it.
That's why your propaganda is so great, you aren't allowed to question it.
Hitlers are in Moscow and around it.
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I don't watch russian news or propaganda at all. I watch mostly independent western commentators.
Some ukrainian too. So blame your freedom of the press, not russian propaganda :D
And you, as I said, simply path through shit you consume from MSM like BBC/CNN.

I like this british guy :)
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Sebastian Sas

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barbos said:
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Why is Russia hunting civilians with drones??
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They don't.

Meanwhile NYT now says: "It is no longer stalemate in Ukraine and we were wrong when we predicted successful summer offensive for Ukraine, but trust as now when we say the next tear Ukraine will win"

NYT also admits that main problem for Regime in Kiev is man power, not weapons. But Russia has it worse, yeah right.
According to NYT Ukraine lost 50K people and Russia twice ot that.
Well, if you believe ukro-regime.
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You didn't address the article at all.
 
Loren Pechtel said:
You didn't address the article at all.
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No need to address every lie.
And I did adress BBC article about chemical weapons in Syria, by proving beyond any doubt that BBC lied.
And you did not address that.
This can be interpreted only one way - you have nothing to say.
 
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When Barbos posts somthing he finds in the net news he still does not grasp the idea of diversity, There are always mutiple divergent views. You can alwayss fnd an opinion to suit you.

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Internet censorship in Russia - Wikipedia

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In Russia, internet censorship is enforced on the basis of several laws and through several mechanisms. Since 2012, Russia maintains a centralized internet blacklist (known as the "single register") maintained by the Federal Service for Supervision of Communications, Information Technology and Mass Media (Roskomnadzor).

The list is used for the censorship of individual URLs, domain names, and IP addresses. It was originally introduced to block sites that contain materials advocating drug abuse and drug production, descriptions of suicide methods, and containing child pornography. It was subsequently amended to allow the blocking of materials that are classified as extremist by including them to the Federal List of Extremist Materials.[1] According to Freedom House, these regulations have been frequently abused to block criticism of the federal government or local administrations.[2][3]

A law prohibiting "abuse of mass media freedom" implements a process for the shutting down of online media outlets.[2] In March 2019 the bill which introduced fines for those who are deemed (by the government) to be spreading "fake news" and show "blatant disrespect" toward the state authorities was signed into law.[note 1]

In June 2020, the European Court of Human Rights ruled against Russia in a case involving the blocking of websites critical of the government (including that of Garry Kasparov), as the plaintiffs' freedom of speech had been violated.[8]

52), 2013 (score 54), and 2014 (score 60) and as "not free" in 2015 (score 62), 2016 (score 65), 2017 (score 66), and 2018 (score 67) where scores range from 0 (most free) to 100 (least free).<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_Russia#cite_note-19"><span>[</span>note 2<span>]</span></a>
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The obvious contradiction of a pro Putin Barbos saying the USA and Russia are 'the same regimes' frilly speaking on this forum while none of here would likely have such latitude on a Russian forum.

He says he does not watch Russian TV and propaganda, he he posts an endless stream of that propaganda.

I wonder if Barbos is sneaking a look at internet porn. Apparently banned by Russian authorioes.

Mybe from Putin on dpwn it is really a matter of repressed sexuality.

Putin is substituting war for sexual garification.The orgasmic climasx of miltray conquests.

Frued has got nothng on me....hee hee heee it all oces down to sex or the lack of it. No wder the Russian popuation is decling.
 
Fun fact, EU has or aspire to have basically the same internet censorship Russia has.
Yet you don't seem to sanction and/or regime change them. And to be fair US is de facto moving in the same direction.
 
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barbos said:
Fun fact, EU has or aspire to have basically the same internet censorship Russia has.
Yet you don't seem to sanction and/or regime change them. And to be fair US is de facto moving in the same direction.
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We didn't sanction or regime change* you until you invaded another country. So what the hell are you talking about?

*We actually didn't do that to Russia but it would probably be a good thing and solve so many problems. Russia is the one attempting a regime change in Ukraine.
 
The same false equivalence.

A false equivalence or false equivalency is an informal fallacy in which an equivalence is drawn between two subjects based on flawed or false reasoning. This fallacy is categorized as a fallacy of inconsistency. Colloquially, a false equivalence is often called "comparing apples and oranges."
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As the saying goes Barbos is trying to compare apples with oranges.

The EU wants to be like Russia in political censorship...a false equivalence, the two are diametrically opposed.

Politicians over here use false consequence.

Net censorship over here is very minimal. There is no general government censorship of political speech. The same as public verbal speech. You can not incite to riot, conspire to commit crime, .

If you make physical threats against public officials the FBI may come knocking at your door.

Biden can not suppress pro Trump speech or prevent his running for office, which is what Putin does to opposition candidates.

Barbos who has probably lived in a semi isolated Russian culture has only his PC display to see the world,.
 
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