How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[Loren Pechtel]

I suppose, but we've been "losing" the war for years now. How much more losing is needed for Russia to win?

Looks like your proxy will collapse the next year, due to men problem. Of course new administration may choose to end it before that, I don't see Regime in Kiev lasting into 2026, even with all the money west can print.
Frankly it is a surprise that the Green Goblin was able to hold it together that long. I guess he is a good actor.

They can die fighting or they die not fighting:

‘Shoot All the Locals’ – Russian Officer Orders Civilian Executions in Luhansk Region

Ukrainian soldiers released a video showing Russian serviceman Rudakov ordering the shooting of civilians in the Luhansk region.

www.kyivpost.com

You keep showing the people of Ukraine that peace is not an option, yet you expect them to surrender?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Vietnam was against a hardened military that had already beat South Vietnam and France. It was a dumbass mistake to get involved there.

So mighty US can not defeat hardened military. OK, I will try to remember that.

Nobody has won a war against a country that has had an untouchable base of support.

 

[barbos]

You said the terrorists shot down the plane. It was unquestionably a Russian missile. Ergo, the terrorists are Russian.

I never said such a thing. It was clear since the beginning that it was Air Defence missile.
Having said that, terrorist attack from Ukraine has played the obvious role.

You said the pilots reported a bird strike.

Yes I did, becasue that's what they did.

And you're missing the bigger picture. The plane was hit by a missile after it had to abort an approach because of the GPS jamming.

No, they were redirected becasue weather was bad and terrorist attacks. GPS is not used for landing.

You jammed it,

Yes, that's a normal procedure during terrorist drone attacks.

 

[barbos]

I’d love to hear better alternatives to encouraging Russian aggression.

You (the west or Deep state more specifically) can start by stopping lying. Then starting to keep your promises.
Of course that's not going to happen becasue Deep State would have to cease to exist for that to happen.
Deep State can not admit making a boo-boo with their plan to destroy Russia. They will quadruple down on BS.

Why in the world would NATO plan to destroy Russia?

Ask them. I can only speculate. But they admit that this is their plan.

You're doing a fine job of it yourself and I'm sure you're aware of the old adage about not interrupting an enemy while they're making a mistake.

Nice try. but you are projecting.

How badly the Russian army has performed to date very clearly shows I was right.

Russian army has performed very well if not exceptionally. On the other hand NATO and US military equipment has performed poorly.

 

[barbos]

I suppose, but we've been "losing" the war for years now. How much more losing is needed for Russia to win?

Looks like your proxy will collapse the next year, due to men problem. Of course new administration may choose to end it before that, I don't see Regime in Kiev lasting into 2026, even with all the money west can print.
Frankly it is a surprise that the Green Goblin was able to hold it together that long. I guess he is a good actor.

They can die fighting or they die not fighting:

‘Shoot All the Locals’ – Russian Officer Orders Civilian Executions in Luhansk Region

Ukrainian soldiers released a video showing Russian serviceman Rudakov ordering the shooting of civilians in the Luhansk region.

www.kyivpost.com

You keep showing the people of Ukraine that peace is not an option, yet you expect them to surrender?

LOL kyivpost. You are serious?

 

[barbos]

Vietnam was against a hardened military that had already beat South Vietnam and France. It was a dumbass mistake to get involved there.

So mighty US can not defeat hardened military. OK, I will try to remember that.

Nobody has won a war against a country that has had an untouchable base of support.

and that would be what?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Vietnam was against a hardened military that had already beat South Vietnam and France. It was a dumbass mistake to get involved there.

So mighty US can not defeat hardened military. OK, I will try to remember that.

When Russia gets one, let us know.

A war between the US and a guerilla revolution is not the same as the US verses China and Russia. Kind of like suggesting Israel would be easy for the Egyptian army to roll over because Israel can't defeat Hamas. They are two completely different types of war. And I don't want the US fighting Russia or China, regardless if the US "wins".

 

[Harry Bosch]

I suppose, but we've been "losing" the war for years now. How much more losing is needed for Russia to win?

Looks like your proxy will collapse the next year, due to men problem. Of course new administration may choose to end it before that, I don't see Regime in Kiev lasting into 2026, even with all the money west can print.
Frankly it is a surprise that the Green Goblin was able to hold it together that long. I guess he is a good actor.

They can die fighting or they die not fighting:

‘Shoot All the Locals’ – Russian Officer Orders Civilian Executions in Luhansk Region

Ukrainian soldiers released a video showing Russian serviceman Rudakov ordering the shooting of civilians in the Luhansk region.

www.kyivpost.com

You keep showing the people of Ukraine that peace is not an option, yet you expect them to surrender?

LOL kyivpost. You are serious?

Are you serious? Pretty reasonable peace offers have been floated to Russia that Russia is rejecting. They are very pro-Russian. Your side keeps the land that you've stolen. In return, international peace troopers are stationed in Ukraine to prevent future Russian imperialism. Your side is rejecting. Unfortunately, I don't see this war ending until your side decides to give up its European imperialism plans.

MSN

 

[barbos]

Are you serious? Pretty reasonable peace offers have been floated to Russia that Russia is rejecting.

Reasonable? Are you fucking kidding me?
Green Goblin is offering for Russia to leave Ukraine completely, pay reparation, and Ukraine gets into NATO.
Russia had reasonable peace offer shortly after the start of the war. That was reasonable. But Washington refused because they thought they can win, in fact that was their fucking plan from the get go, they were quite open about it.

Sorry man, there is no way back now, you started it and you have to pay, in land and in treasures.

 

[ZiprHead]

Sorry man, there is no way back now, you started it and you have to pay, in land and in treasures.

In what way did the west stert yout bullshit attack on Ukraine?

 

[barbos]

Your side keeps the land that you've stolen. In return, international peace troopers are stationed in Ukraine to prevent future Russian imperialism.

That's not what Green Goblin suggests. That's what some assholes in the West suggest.
It's unacceptable to Russia

 

[barbos]

Sorry man, there is no way back now, you started it and you have to pay, in land and in treasures.

In what way did the west stert yout bullshit attack on Ukraine?

In conducting 2014 coup which resulted in genocide of russian population by nazis.

 

[barbos]

The current plan Russia offers is following. Russia keeps all that we took plus the land we have not taken yet which are these Oblasts which voted to join Russia. Additional land ot top of that is a subject to negotiations. No NATO in/for Ukraine, none!
Plus ukrainian army gets smaller. That's absolute minimum to start negotiations.
But public opinion is that Odessa, Har'kov should be included into absolute minimum.

 

[ZiprHead]

Ownership of Greenland Ukraine is Essential to Our Security

You can't have Ukraine.

Right back atcha, there, chief.

 

[barbos]

Ownership of Greenland Ukraine is Essential to Our Security

You can't have Ukraine.

Right back atcha, there, chief.

Ukraine is Russia, you can't have it, relay that to your buddy Lindsey.

 

[bilby]

Ukraine is Russia

Yeah, nah.

See, you can tell; Ukraine has its own government and army and everything.

Like, if a place is part of a bigger place, then when the leader of the bigger place sends soldiers and tanks towards the major cities of the littler place, they are typically met by cheering crowds waving flags.

If the US Army go to Sacramento, they are welcomed by the locals, because California is part of the US.

If the Russian Army goes to Moscow, or Leningrad, or Vladivostok, they too are welcomed by the locals, because Moscow, Leningrad and Vladivostok are all part of Russia.

When the Russian Army tried to go to Kiev, the locals kicked their arses in a massively humiliating military defeat.

From this it becomes clear that Ukraine is not Russia, doesn't want to be Russia, and has the military might to tell Russia to go fuck themselves.

Seems to me that a lot of ordinary Russians would live longer and happier lives if Russia were to take that advice.

 

[barbos]

See, you can tell; Ukraine has its own government and army and everything.

Not for long. And they don't really have any of that.
And their own "government" literally gave up Eastern Ukraine. They literally said it's not Ukraine but Russia and we want to get rid of it.

 

[barbos]

When the Russian Army tried to go to Kiev, the locals kicked their arses in a massively humiliating military defeat.

Never happened.

 

[bilby]

George Orwell intended '1984' as a warning, not as a 'How-to' guide.

 

[ZiprHead]

When the Russian Army tried to go to Kiev, the locals kicked their arses in a massively humiliating military defeat.

Never happened.

Yeah, they meant that to happen.

That was the plan from the beginning. Clog the road from Russia to Kiev with the scrap metal of Russian tanks and make the Ukrainians clean it up.

Victory!!!