How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[barbos]

Vietnam, Iraq were based on lies and/or willful ignorance/wishful thinking.

And Ukraine of course is not based on that, it's based on superior thinking, intelligence, knowledge of history and integrity.
Just ask Yaroslav Hunka and his buddy Trudeau with Chrystia Freeland whose grandfather was not at all a nazi.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Vietnam, Iraq were based on lies and/or willful ignorance/wishful thinking.

And Ukraine of course is not based on that, it's based on superior thinking, intelligence, knowledge of history and integrity.

Russia invaded Ukraine... twice. Putin helped Russia relive history and made the same mistake that was made in 1853, when Russian leadership thought it understood the status quo.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Vietnam, Iraq were based on lies and/or willful ignorance/wishful thinking.

And Ukraine of course is not based on that, it's based on superior thinking, intelligence, knowledge of history and integrity.
Just ask Yaroslav Hunka and his buddy Trudeau with Chrystia Freeland whose grandfather was not at all a nazi.

We are helping Ukraine because we believe that Russia wants to conquer it. Where is the lie?

 

[bilby]

Fun fuct,

In English, it's spelled "fucked".

You're welcome.

No, it's a fact. Pretty much everything what your MSM/government says is a lie.
And it's been that way for a very long time.
You are the best illustration to this.

Fuck my arsehole with a rusty railspike that without a doubt the most idiotic thing I have read on the internet.

Thank you barbos for your...shall we say your bombasity?

Short version; you're fucked mate.

Yugoslavia bombing by NATO - based on a US government lie.
Vietnam War - based on government lie.
Russian "invasion" into Afghanistan - was 100% provoked by the CIA.
Iraq War - based on US government lie.
Libya War - based on US government lie.
Syrian War - based on US government lie.
US Ukraine involvement - it's a miracle US is clean! US did not do anything to provoke it.

You said everything reported. The media has reported on more things that those listed above. Also, Libya was more of a France thing, Syria was part of the Arab Spring. Ukraine was invaded by a neighboring country, again...

Vietnam, Iraq were based on lies and/or willful ignorance/wishful thinking.

Yougoslavia wasn't bombed by NATO - Serbia was, because the Serbs were embarked on a vicious genocide. I know people who have seen the mass graves, so this is not "lying media", this is a fact - and it's a fact that fits perfectly into the historical tensions in the Balkans.

The Serbs weren't worse than the Croats or Bosnians; They just had the military capability to prevail over them, so they did. Someone needed to stop them.

The whole thing is just a continuation of enmities that pre-date (and were the cause of) the Great War.

 

[barbos]

Vietnam, Iraq were based on lies and/or willful ignorance/wishful thinking.

And Ukraine of course is not based on that, it's based on superior thinking, intelligence, knowledge of history and integrity.
Just ask Yaroslav Hunka and his buddy Trudeau with Chrystia Freeland whose grandfather was not at all a nazi.

We are helping Ukraine because we believe that Russia wants to conquer it. Where is the lie?

Yes, your government tells you that and they are lying to you.

 

[barbos]

Yougoslavia wasn't bombed by NATO - Serbia was, because the Serbs were embarked on a vicious genocide.

No, they were not. And Yugolsavia was bombed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_bombing_of_Yugoslavia

I know people who have seen the mass graves,

Even a judge in Milosevic case admitted it was a lie.

The Serbs weren't worse than the Croats or Bosnians; They just had the military capability to prevail over them, so they did. Someone needed to stop them.

Someone needs to educate himself.
NATO bombing of Yugoslavia was (officially) about Kosovo. In reality it was about Bill Clinton Monica Lewinsky troubles.

 

[barbos]

Vietnam, Iraq were based on lies and/or willful ignorance/wishful thinking.

And Ukraine of course is not based on that, it's based on superior thinking, intelligence, knowledge of history and integrity.

Russia invaded Ukraine... twice. Putin helped Russia relive history and made the same mistake that was made in 1853, when Russian leadership thought it understood the status quo.

We had actual and legal reasons to do what we did and we openly stated them.

 

[barbos]

So people discuss very long (3 hours) "interview" Green Goblin gave to Lex Fridman podcast.
His speech was not very interesting and consisted of the usual lies, and his very apparent under-influence-of-something was not new. The new part was his use of very bad language.
People wonder if this whole thing was a setup by Trump/Musk people in order to show how deranged this individual is.
Interestingly, Fridman who was born in Russia and speak russian asked Green Goblin to use russian instead of ukrainian, Green Goblin refused and used ukrainian which he learned after becoming a president.

 

[ZiprHead]

Vietnam, Iraq were based on lies and/or willful ignorance/wishful thinking.

And Ukraine of course is not based on that, it's based on superior thinking, intelligence, knowledge of history and integrity.
Just ask Yaroslav Hunka and his buddy Trudeau with Chrystia Freeland whose grandfather was not at all a nazi.

We are helping Ukraine because we believe that Russia wants to conquer it. Where is the lie?

Yes, your government tells you that and they are lying to you.

You DON'T want to conquer Ukraine??? Are those love bombs you are dropping on their cities?

 

[ZiprHead]

Vietnam, Iraq were based on lies and/or willful ignorance/wishful thinking.

And Ukraine of course is not based on that, it's based on superior thinking, intelligence, knowledge of history and integrity.

Russia invaded Ukraine... twice. Putin helped Russia relive history and made the same mistake that was made in 1853, when Russian leadership thought it understood the status quo.

We had actual and legal reasons to do what we did and we openly stated them.

No, you don't. You stated reasons but not legal reasons.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Vietnam, Iraq were based on lies and/or willful ignorance/wishful thinking.

And Ukraine of course is not based on that, it's based on superior thinking, intelligence, knowledge of history and integrity.

Russia invaded Ukraine... twice. Putin helped Russia relive history and made the same mistake that was made in 1853, when Russian leadership thought it understood the status quo.

We had actual and legal reasons to do what we did and we openly stated them.

Russia fucked up, first with the Ottoman Empire and then the exact same thing with Ukraine. Russia thought they understood the limits, but the limits had evolved.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Vietnam, Iraq were based on lies and/or willful ignorance/wishful thinking.

And Ukraine of course is not based on that, it's based on superior thinking, intelligence, knowledge of history and integrity.

Russia invaded Ukraine... twice. Putin helped Russia relive history and made the same mistake that was made in 1853, when Russian leadership thought it understood the status quo.

We had actual and legal reasons to do what we did and we openly stated them.

What legal reason? Even if you have, your country has illegally invaded a sovereign country! Period. (The mental gyrations you perform each day in defending an imperialist invasion is amazing).

 

[barbos]

Vietnam, Iraq were based on lies and/or willful ignorance/wishful thinking.

And Ukraine of course is not based on that, it's based on superior thinking, intelligence, knowledge of history and integrity.

Russia invaded Ukraine... twice. Putin helped Russia relive history and made the same mistake that was made in 1853, when Russian leadership thought it understood the status quo.

We had actual and legal reasons to do what we did and we openly stated them.

What legal reason? Even if you have, your country has illegally invaded a sovereign country! Period. (The mental gyrations you perform each day in defending an imperialist invasion is amazing).

That's rich coming from US.
Self defense. Preemptive self defence according European Security arrangements/principles which EU signed.
What are the legal reasons for US invasion into Syria? Cuba? Vietnam? Central America? Afghanistan (in 1979)

 

[Harry Bosch]

Vietnam, Iraq were based on lies and/or willful ignorance/wishful thinking.

And Ukraine of course is not based on that, it's based on superior thinking, intelligence, knowledge of history and integrity.

Russia invaded Ukraine... twice. Putin helped Russia relive history and made the same mistake that was made in 1853, when Russian leadership thought it understood the status quo.

We had actual and legal reasons to do what we did and we openly stated them.

What legal reason? Even if you have, your country has illegally invaded a sovereign country! Period. (The mental gyrations you perform each day in defending an imperialist invasion is amazing).

Self defense. Preemptive self defence according European Security arrangements/principles which EU signed.
What are the legal reasons for US invasion into Syria? Cuba? Vietnam? Central America? Afghanistan (in 1979)

Self defense? Ukraine didn't attack Russia. That's crazy talk. Secondly, a big difference between you and I is that I'm against all imperialism. Including when it's committed by the US. I'll be the first to protest if Trump invades Greenland or Panama. When Russia invades, you make up phony excuses for the invader.

 

[barbos]

Vietnam, Iraq were based on lies and/or willful ignorance/wishful thinking.

And Ukraine of course is not based on that, it's based on superior thinking, intelligence, knowledge of history and integrity.

Russia invaded Ukraine... twice. Putin helped Russia relive history and made the same mistake that was made in 1853, when Russian leadership thought it understood the status quo.

We had actual and legal reasons to do what we did and we openly stated them.

Russia fucked up, first with the Ottoman Empire and then the exact same thing with Ukraine. Russia thought they understood the limits, but the limits had evolved.

Ottoman Empire is not doing so well. Ukraine is way worse.

 

[barbos]

Self defense? Ukraine didn't attack Russia.

Does not matter, "they" planned to attack, hence word "preemptive"

 

[barbos]

a big difference between you and I is that I'm against all imperialism.

No, you are not. I don't see you demanding US getting out of Europe or Ukraine.
I don't see you demanding sanctions for US blowing up EU energy infrastructure.
I don't see you condemning US organized Nazi Coup in Kiev. I don't see you condemning BoJo.

 

[barbos]

deserters deserters and more deserters:

 

[Patooka]

Thank you for confirming a long standing suspicion that "Alexandre Dumas", is nothing more than a Russian bot.

To add some context for everybody else, the youtube channel barbos quoted is called "History legends", a Putin apologist who posts wall to wall pro Russia propaganda that Ukraine's military is always on the verge of collapse. He claims to be Alexandre Dumas, a Canadian historian with a thick Russian accent who just happens to have zero online presence. It's also an amazing coincidence the channel didn't exist until after Putin illegally invaded Ukraine.

 

[zorq]

That's rich coming from US.
Self defense. Preemptive self defence according European Security arrangements/principles which EU signed.

LOL "preemptive self defence."

Preemptive self defense would be doing things like building a wall, or forming a defensive military alliance, or organizing a formidable stockpile of defensive weapons.

It isn't "self defense" when you send covert soldiers disguised as local rebels into another country and tell them to start killing the local authorities all while lying to the international community about it. There was nothing defensive about Russia attacking Ukraine in the Donbas starting in 2014. There was nothing legal about it. It was sneaky, weaselly, underhanded, and criminal. That is what we in the sane and rational English speaking world call "offense," and it is quite offensive.

Also, the reasons for it were NOT "stated openly," (what a stupid comment) It was all a violent dirty "secret" that the Russian government still won't admit to except that we have official Russian court documents from unpaid Russian contractors who were shipping Russian military supplies and personnel into Ukraine in 2014 and 2015. It is exactly what one would expect from duplicitous thieves liars and murderers (and corrupt cheapskates) and not at all what one would expect from legal action or "self defense" (from what?)