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How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

Jimmy Higgins said:
crazyfingers said:
starwater said:
And they let in a Russian reporter....
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Ya a read that. Trump is showing the behaviors of being a Russian asset.
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Worse is that they had Vance play the heel. Trump couldn't even lead with their petty BS. Why was Vance even there. It is disgusting.
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Trump got the rich tech group in but Vance is their boy. Musk, Thiel, Yarvin, Armstrong, Andressen, Horowitz, Srivisan, etc. Vance uses their language more than Trump, and in proper context. Scary group that funded various campaigns around the country at the right levels.

My guess is Musk is the autistic rich(est) kid they'll use, abuse, and toss. Or when they divide everything up, he was promised Mars.
 
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Since every accusation is a confession with these MAGAtards, can expect them to be gambling with WW3.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
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Fucking Trump. What a disgraceful piece of shit. Zelensky should just look to Europe.
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What in the hell?

Have you ever said thanks? Hasn't he done that many times?! What a pair of petty assholes Vance and Trump are. I don't think I've ever seen a VP do what Vance did.
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He's Trump's little yapping terrier. He clearly isn't walked enough, because he was shitting all over the room. Those of my friends who wish T would keel over dead, quarter pounder clutched in his little hands...look what we'd get to replace him.
 
ideologyhunter said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
TV and credit cards said:
Fucking Trump. What a disgraceful piece of shit. Zelensky should just look to Europe.
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What in the hell?

Have you ever said thanks? Hasn't he done that many times?! What a pair of petty assholes Vance and Trump are. I don't think I've ever seen a VP do what Vance did.
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He's Trump's little yapping terrier. He clearly isn't walked enough, because he was shitting all over the room. Those of my friends who wish T would keel over dead, quarter pounder clutched in his little hands...look what we'd get to replace him.
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I don't think Vance has the ability to hold Trump's coalition of Evangelicals, Billionaire Oligarchs, uninformed non-college educated males together. Many GOP congress-critters would finally have the guts to reject Trump extremes and Musk's usurpation of congress' authority.
 
Here's the video of Trump and Zelenskyy arguing and JiDiot. I set the time to start around when things go too far.

 
I think this was a fully preplanned ambush. They attacked Zelenskyy from the very start. Shameful.


Link to a transcript. ETA: incomplete transcript.
 
crazyfingers said:
Politico is describing it as an ambush on the part of Rump and Vance.

This was conduct unbecoming of a president of the US. Of course, his very existence is unbecoming of the presidency.

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Jimmy Higgins said:
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
Here's the video of Trump and Zelenskyy arguing and JiDiot. I set the time to start around when things go too far.

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Vance was trolling him. As I noted the other day, this whole thing seemed suspicious.
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As Politico observes, it was an ambush.
 

A Day of American Infamy​

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If Roosevelt had told Churchill to sue for peace on any terms with Adolf Hitler and to fork over Britain’s coal reserves to the United States in exchange for no American security guarantees, it might have approximated what Trump did to Zelensky. Whatever one might say about how Zelensky played his cards poorly — either by failing to behave with the degree of all-fours sycophancy that Trump demands or to maintain his composure in the face of JD Vance’s disingenuous provocations — this was a day of American infamy.

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While Trump’s abuse of Zelensky might delight the MAGA crowd, it isn’t likely to play well with most voters, including the almost 30 percent of Republicans who, even now, believe it’s in our interest to stand with Ukraine. And while most Americans may want to see the war in Ukraine end, they almost surely don’t want to see it end on Vladimir Putin’s terms.
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Gifted Link to NYT Opinion
www.nytimes.com

Opinion | A Day of American Infamy

A dreadful moment for Ukraine, for the free world, for the legacy of an America that once stood for the principles of the Atlantic Charter.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
 
crazyfingers said:
crazyfingers said:
Politico is describing it as an ambush on the part of Rump and Vance.

This was conduct unbecoming of a president of the US. Of course, his very existence is unbecoming of the presidency.

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Jimmy Higgins said:
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
Here's the video of Trump and Zelenskyy arguing and JiDiot. I set the time to start around when things go too far.

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Vance was trolling him. As I noted the other day, this whole thing seemed suspicious.
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As Politico observes, it was an ambush.
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I can’t even bear to watch this video, but look at the still. Look that at the unbearable little pissant lap dog Vance doing his phony deprecatory hand gestures toward the leader of a savaged and heroic people. Look at the orange pile of shit. What a shameful day for this country. Nice work, MAGGOTS, for voting for this pig. He’s going to screw you over more than almost anyone — already is — and I hope you suffer. I hope you suffer badly.
 
crazyfingers said:

A Day of American Infamy​

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If Roosevelt had told Churchill to sue for peace on any terms with Adolf Hitler and to fork over Britain’s coal reserves to the United States in exchange for no American security guarantees, it might have approximated what Trump did to Zelensky. Whatever one might say about how Zelensky played his cards poorly — either by failing to behave with the degree of all-fours sycophancy that Trump demands or to maintain his composure in the face of JD Vance’s disingenuous provocations — this was a day of American infamy.

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While Trump’s abuse of Zelensky might delight the MAGA crowd, it isn’t likely to play well with most voters, including the almost 30 percent of Republicans who, even now, believe it’s in our interest to stand with Ukraine. And while most Americans may want to see the war in Ukraine end, they almost surely don’t want to see it end on Vladimir Putin’s terms.
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Gifted Link to NYT Opinion
www.nytimes.com

Opinion | A Day of American Infamy

A dreadful moment for Ukraine, for the free world, for the legacy of an America that once stood for the principles of the Atlantic Charter.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
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No offense, but...

Polls about minority percents of Republicans who disagree with Trump don't do it for me. They don't make me feel secure at all. This is because time and time again, he leads them away from principles and further into his cult and propaganda rabbit holes. It's like his saying the election was rigged. Eventually, the vast majority agreed with him. So basically, eventually, he'll get every red-blooded Republican to lick Putin's balls.
 
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