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How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

barbos said:
Harry Bosch said:
barbos said:
crazyfingers said:
Trump is an idiot. He's only just started to realize that Russia doesn't want a peace deal.
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Why would a side which is winning want to stop before goals were reached?
EU nazi did the same, they were against peace talks when they thought Ukraine was winning.
Well, it goes both ways. Not all russian land is liberated from ukro-nazi occupation, Even offcially russian ones are still under partial nazi occupation. And then there is land which is not yet officially russian (Odessa).

Having said that, Russia said if Ukraine agrees with the loss of these regions which are already russian and leave them then Russia would stop. It's an extremely generous offer if you ask me.
As for the EU, their plan is basically boils down to Russia's capitulation, which is ridiculous and shows who really does not want peace.
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Why would any sane person trust Russia??!
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Because every sane person knows Russia can be trusted.
So the real question sane person has is why would he/she trust the West?
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The delusion is strong is this one.
 
barbos said:
Harry Bosch said:
barbos said:
The truth is, the real obstacle to peace is Elensky and his closest cirlce.
They convinced themselves that they are dead men if they decide to stop this war. Nazis would kill them all. Right now they are pretty safe and stealing western money, why change anything?
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The problem is that Putin wants more. If President Z accepts the peace terms now, Russia will reinvade again in 6 months. Read your own posts.
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You are not making any sense.
Ukraine is losing NOW (!!!). They have nothing to lose by agreeing for peace. And can get time to prepare for another mythical invasion.
Problem is what I said it was - Elensky is afraid of nazis. The whole war started because he was afraid of them.
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Really??? Three years and you've barely acquired 10 percent of the objective you said you would achieve in two weeks.

barbos said:
Having said that. Russian conditions include denazification. So they are unacceptable for ukro-nazis.
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The only nazis in this scenario are the ones trying to take over a neighboring sovereign country, Russia.
 
Harry Bosch said:
aupmanyav said:
crazyfingers said:
Trump wants the war to stop at the current borders of control, giving Russia a "win".

Trump having once accused Ukraine of starting this war is clearly stupid or without any integrity (No surprise there).
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That is the only solution that I see, otherwise Ukrainian people will continue to suffer.
Zelensky did not start the war. It was started by Poroshenko - armiia, mova, vira (English: military, language, faith).
He should have been careful of the Russian interest.
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Why do you think that Russia will stay on their side of any border. They do not respect borders or sovereignty.
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EU/US started this war, not Russia.
 
barbos said:
EU/US started this war, not Russia.
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Thank you for your stupid statement number 59328. There is no award for accumulating more. You are hereby given permission to withhold any additional stupid statements.

Ukraine didn't invade Russia. Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014. Russia started the war. Objective facts.
 
zorq said:
barbos said:
EU/US started this war, not Russia.
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Thank you for your stupid statement number 59328. There is no award for accumulating more. You are hereby given permission to withhold any additional stupid statements.

Ukraine didn't invade Russia. Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014. Russia started the war. Objective facts.
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Stupid statements are all yours. EU/US/NATO invaded Ukraine and overthrew their government and then installed puppet nazi regime which was ordered to start war with Russian population of Ukraine in the hope to provoke Russia and then give Russia a strategic defeat (economically and/or militarily) and subsequent regime change in Russia and then occupation by US/NATO. That plan has failed. Russian population did not buy this BS and supported their government. Other countries also saw through neocon BS. China in particular were not interested in having NATO on their northern border.

Your aggression against Russia has failed, you need a new plan.
 
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barbos said:
zorq said:
barbos said:
EU/US started this war, not Russia.
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Thank you for your stupid statement number 59328. There is no award for accumulating more. You are hereby given permission to withhold any additional stupid statements.

Ukraine didn't invade Russia. Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014. Russia started the war. Objective facts.
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Stupid statements are all yours. EU/US/NATO invaded Ukraine and overthrew their government and then installed puppet nazi regime which was ordered to start war with Russian population of Ukraine in the hope to provoke Russia and then give Russia a strategic defeat (economically and/or militarily) and subsequent regime change in Russia and then occupation by US/NATO. That plan has failed. Russian population did not buy this BS and supported their government. Other countries also saw through neocon BS. China in particular were not interested in having NATO on their northern border.

Your aggression against Russia has failed, you need a new plan.
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The only country to invade Ukraine is Russia. You have failed countless times to support your baseless conspiracy theories. You have shown no evidence of Western meddling in the ousting of Yanukovich. You have shown no evidence that the Ukranian government has any Nazi trademarks. You have shown no evidence of a "war" against the "Russian population of Ukraine" ... whatever that fucking means.* You live in a fantasy land of conspiracy theories. Get to grips with the cold hard facts that your dictator Putin has played you for a fool.

*(If people are Ukranian they are Ukranian. If they are Russian, they are Russian. If they are "Russian" and don't like being in Ukraine they can easily leave. This is no excuse for Russia to start blowing up foreign schools and hospitals. That is disgusting and barbaric behavior. )
 
zorq said:
The only country to invade Ukraine is Russia. You have failed countless times to support your baseless conspiracy theories.
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Nope, I supported it just fine.
EU/US invaded Ukraine, Russia is liberating Ukraine from your scum
 
zorq said:
*(If people are Ukranian they are Ukranian. If they are Russian, they are Russian. If they are "Russian" and don't like being in Ukraine they can easily leave. This is no excuse for Russia to start blowing up foreign schools and hospitals. That is disgusting and barbaric behavior. )
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Even "ukrainians" disagree with this garbage
 
barbos said:
zorq said:
*(If people are Ukranian they are Ukranian. If they are Russian, they are Russian. If they are "Russian" and don't like being in Ukraine they can easily leave. This is no excuse for Russia to start blowing up foreign schools and hospitals. That is disgusting and barbaric behavior. )
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Even "ukrainians" disagree with this garbage
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Wtf are you even talking about? What EXACTLY do you disagree with me about here?
 
zorq said:
barbos said:
zorq said:
*(If people are Ukranian they are Ukranian. If they are Russian, they are Russian. If they are "Russian" and don't like being in Ukraine they can easily leave. This is no excuse for Russia to start blowing up foreign schools and hospitals. That is disgusting and barbaric behavior. )
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Even "ukrainians" disagree with this garbage
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Wtf are you even talking about? What EXACTLY do you disagree with me about here?
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You need to read on actual history if modern "Ukraine"
That is not ukro-nazi propaganda shit you have been reading.
 
Speaking of "ukrainians"
Ukro-nazi are pissed off that people in Kiev (!!!) are switching back to .... russian language, accusing them of being ..... pro-russian.
Apparently after the start of the SMO lots of people in Kiev switched to "ukrainian" just to get nazis off their back, now though there is for whatever reasons switch back.
 
barbos said:
zorq said:
barbos said:
zorq said:
*(If people are Ukranian they are Ukranian. If they are Russian, they are Russian. If they are "Russian" and don't like being in Ukraine they can easily leave. This is no excuse for Russia to start blowing up foreign schools and hospitals. That is disgusting and barbaric behavior. )
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Even "ukrainians" disagree with this garbage
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Wtf are you even talking about? What EXACTLY do you disagree with me about here?
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You need to read on actual history if modern "Ukraine"
That is not ukro-nazi propaganda shit you have been reading.
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So you can't actually tell me what you disagree with me about? What is wrong with you? Are you too drunk to understand me? Are you too drunk to understand yourself?
 
zorq said:
barbos said:
zorq said:
barbos said:
zorq said:
*(If people are Ukranian they are Ukranian. If they are Russian, they are Russian. If they are "Russian" and don't like being in Ukraine they can easily leave. This is no excuse for Russia to start blowing up foreign schools and hospitals. That is disgusting and barbaric behavior. )
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Even "ukrainians" disagree with this garbage
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Wtf are you even talking about? What EXACTLY do you disagree with me about here?
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You need to read on actual history if modern "Ukraine"
That is not ukro-nazi propaganda shit you have been reading.
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So you can't actually tell me what you disagree with me about? What is wrong with you? Are you too drunk to understand me? Are you too drunk to understand yourself?
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I disagree with pretty much all BS you and your ilk post here.
 
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