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How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

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Meet the MAGA Americans who moved to Russia—to hilarious results

There is a genre of MAGA conservative so right wing, so brain dead, that they go through the immense hassle of moving themselves and their family to Russia—where gay and transgender people ...
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There is a genre of MAGA conservative so right wing, so brain dead, that they go through the immense hassle of moving themselves and their family to Russia—where gay and transgender people supposedly don’t exist, and … well, that appears to be the bulk of the motivation for fleeing. They imagine a utopia where “traditional values” rule and “wokeness” is banished, even if it means embracing Russian dictator Vladimir Putin.

Russia hasn’t just welcomed these ideological expats, it also markets itself as a refuge for them. In 2023, a Russian immigration lawyer publicly pitched a “migrant village” outside Moscow, designed to house hundreds of American and Canadian families who want a life of wholesome, state-approved traditionalism. Russian media breathlessly claimed that about 200 families were eager to sign up.
In reality? By mid-2025, the grand vision had fizzled into just two occupied homes—one of them belonging to a family you’re about to meet—and a PR stunt that played better on state TV than on the ground.

Putin, of course, loves these Americans for propaganda purposes—until the cameras stop rolling. Then he leaves them to fend for themselves in a country with a hostile climate, significant language, cultural, and legal barriers, and an economy best described as “Soviet nostalgia with fewer working elevators.” Let’s meet a few of these true believers.
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Three families. One had their story already posted here.
 
crazyfingers said:
bilby said:
Watching video is largely a waste of time; Even a truthful, accurate, and interesting video would be better as text
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bilby said:
Watching videos that you post would be an even bigger waste of time, as the probability of any of 'truthful', 'accurate', or 'interesting' is close to zero, and the probability of all of these is lower still.
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Agreed. Videos are less than informative. I never watch them. They are almost always junk and disinformation regardless of what "side" the are from. They are a waste and do not help to factually inform.
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Mostly. Video is useful to show what happened or what should happen. It's still pretty hard to truly fake a video (but that doesn't mean the video is actually of what it purports to be!) so it's a lot more believable.
 
barbos said:
crazyfingers said:
Videos are less than informative. I never watch them.
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And you also don't read articles you don't agree with.
And no, videos can be infinitely more informative than text. Also In video it is much harder to lie.
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No. Video by itself does not prevent lying. Somebody talking is no more credible than words on a page. Video is only useful for verification to the extent that it shows things that can be compared to known reality.

On the flip side, though--the absence of video of events you would expect video to exist of is pretty strong evidence that the events did not happen.
 
barbos said:
One of the funny moment in that interview where Latynina says that KGB was not lying after all.
This is where they were discussing CIA plans (from the 50s) about using ukrainian nazis in USSR.
Same with USSR "invasion" in Afghanistan. I remember how in the late 80s early 90s they revealed the reasons for doing that.
Turned out it was true too. Brzezinski confirmed that too later around 1999.
The fact is. US government lies about everything regarding its foreign affairs.
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Something to understand: Governments make plans for the invasion of basically anyone they can invade. If the generals weren't doing that they should be fired. But the existence of such contingency plans doesn't mean the government intends to actually do what's planned. The text of Nixon's speech about Apollo 11's ascent motor not firing has shown up on the web at times. Does that mean Apollo 11's ascent motor didn't fire? Or that the intended it to not fire?

Showing plans exist proves nothing other than the government considers the acts at least possible.

And the CIA would have had no way to engineer Afghanistan. You backed a rebel, then came to his aid when he conquered a little bit of territory and pretended to be the proper government of Afghanistan. Did we somehow manage to make you honor that request? And that one act is on the critical path, without it there would be no invasion.
 
Excellent summary of the Putin/Trump meeting below. (The Alan Greenspan quote is legendary.). Anyway, I'm a lot more optimistic. Trump is making some headway. I'll give him some credit. However, there is a very very good chance that Putin is just playing Trump:


The article makes the point that it could be that Putin is saying that if Ukraine pulls out of Dontest, that the war will be frozen. And then Ukraine will move back from their fortified positions; and then Russia could attack again. The only way that a peace will hold is if Ukraine is allowed to substantially beef up their defensive capabilities to encourage Russia to never attack again. A stiff defense is the only way to deal with Russia.
 
Bronzeage said:
barbos said:
SLD said:
So you’re winning?
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100%
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This is why no one takes you seriously. This absolutely the poorest salesmanship since, "If Paris meant anything to you."
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Opinion which you parrot here is not shared by absolute majority of (independent) millitary experts, period.
Retired US generals (key word here is "generals") which you parrot here are not independent experts. They are absolute 100% paid shills of MIC.
 
Loren Pechtel said:
barbos said:
One of the funny moment in that interview where Latynina says that KGB was not lying after all.
This is where they were discussing CIA plans (from the 50s) about using ukrainian nazis in USSR.
Same with USSR "invasion" in Afghanistan. I remember how in the late 80s early 90s they revealed the reasons for doing that.
Turned out it was true too. Brzezinski confirmed that too later around 1999.
The fact is. US government lies about everything regarding its foreign affairs.
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Something to understand: Governments make plans for the invasion of basically anyone they can invade. If the generals weren't doing that they should be fired. But the existence of such contingency plans doesn't mean the government intends to actually do what's planned. The text of Nixon's speech about Apollo 11's ascent motor not firing has shown up on the web at times. Does that mean Apollo 11's ascent motor didn't fire? Or that the intended it to not fire?

Showing plans exist proves nothing other than the government considers the acts at least possible.

And the CIA would have had no way to engineer Afghanistan. You backed a rebel, then came to his aid when he conquered a little bit of territory and pretended to be the proper government of Afghanistan. Did we somehow manage to make you honor that request? And that one act is on the critical path, without it there would be no invasion.
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Bloody hell, you are misinformed. CIA made these plans and they partially executed these plans by sending said ukro-nazi to USSR. They were all (except one) caught and executed.
Fucking educate yourself a little.

And no, you are not everybody. Russians don't make such plans, we've never made. Only you make them.
WW2 just ended. And US comes out with a plan of having conquered german nazi against ...... Russia.
That's you! That's fucking you.
 
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Loren Pechtel said:
And the CIA would have had no way to engineer Afghanistan. You backed a rebel
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Brzezinski admitted that they engineered Afghanistan. I have told you that and provided the links a million times.
Your disgusting ability to shit and then act as it has never happened is annoying.
You were not good guys, you were absolute scum and you are still are, you did not change.
 
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Loren Pechtel said:
No. Video by itself does not prevent lying. Somebody talking is no more credible than words on a page. Video is only useful for verification to the extent that it shows things that can be compared to known reality.
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Only if you have some brain disorder and can't read mimics.
Case in point, Alfa Bank lie. Your ministry of propaganda invited IT "experts" to support their theory. And one of them was clearly bad liar, so much so that he pretty much said that the whole thing is BS. Even you would have understood it I think.
 
Harry Bosch said:
Excellent summary of the Putin/Trump meeting below. (The Alan Greenspan quote is legendary.). Anyway, I'm a lot more optimistic. Trump is making some headway. I'll give him some credit. However, there is a very very good chance that Putin is just playing Trump:


The article makes the point that it could be that Putin is saying that if Ukraine pulls out of Dontest, that the war will be frozen. And then Ukraine will move back from their fortified positions; and then Russia could attack again. The only way that a peace will hold is if Ukraine is allowed to substantially beef up their defensive capabilities to encourage Russia to never attack again. A stiff defense is the only way to deal with Russia.
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We know that you are not going to stop hence the only way to deal with you is to occupy everything except Western Ukraine.
Having said that, if by some miracle Ukraine goes back to being neutral we can consider other variants. But that's not realistic at this point. It worked with Georgia, true. But US does not stop their attempts to capture them either. So I think we have to occupy most of the Ukraine. US can not be trusted with anything.
Western political elite are treacherous scumbags (has always been that way) on service of capitalist oligarchy which are scared to death of China&Co.
Russia, on the other hand, is relatively small and a country with a lot of resources and excellent geographical position to contain said China. That's the reason for western aggression against Russia. That was your calculation. And you failed. You thought it would be easy. But this has been 3 (11 in reality) years and Russia is in even better shape than before the war. You utterly failed.
As I have said many times, It's not about Ukraine (you could not care less about these idiots), it's not even about Russia, you don't care about us (we learned that in the 90s), it's about saving your pretty Hegemony from China. BoJo the clown said it, not me!
 
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I bet a lot of US scumbags regret not taking Putin's offer to enter NATO (and EU for that matter) around ~2000.
Both China and Russia were much weaker back then. But american scumbags thought they should wait more and get to pillage Russia on better terms. Well, did not work as they planned and they are in deep shit with China and .... Russia.
 
barbos said:
Harry Bosch said:
Excellent summary of the Putin/Trump meeting below. (The Alan Greenspan quote is legendary.). Anyway, I'm a lot more optimistic. Trump is making some headway. I'll give him some credit. However, there is a very very good chance that Putin is just playing Trump:


The article makes the point that it could be that Putin is saying that if Ukraine pulls out of Dontest, that the war will be frozen. And then Ukraine will move back from their fortified positions; and then Russia could attack again. The only way that a peace will hold is if Ukraine is allowed to substantially beef up their defensive capabilities to encourage Russia to never attack again. A stiff defense is the only way to deal with Russia.
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We know that you are not going to stop hence the only way to deal with you is to occupy everything except Western Ukraine.
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What garbage. Nato hasn't invaded a single inch of Russian land.

barbos said:
Western political elite are treacherous scumbags (has always been that way) on service of capitalist oligarchy which are scared to death of China&Co.
Russia, on the other hand, is relatively small and a country with a lot of resources and excellent geographical position to contain said China. That's the reason for western aggression against Russia. That was your calculation. And you failed. You thought it would be easy. But this has been 3 (11 in reality) years and Russia is in even better shape than before the war. You utterly failed.
As I have said many times, It's not about Ukraine (you could not care less about these idiots), it's not even about Russia, you don't care about us (we learned that in the 90s), it's about saving your pretty Hegemony from China. BoJo the clown said it, not me!
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Not sure who the hell Bojo is. You need to learn how to spell. However, the difference between you and I is that I'm against all imperialism. I don't think that it should be done by Russian, China, the US, or anyone else. The reason why you fear NATO is that Nato is the greatest threat to your imperialism. You attack one nato country, they all respond back in kind. Bullies don't like that!
 
Harry Bosch said:
barbos said:
Harry Bosch said:
Excellent summary of the Putin/Trump meeting below. (The Alan Greenspan quote is legendary.). Anyway, I'm a lot more optimistic. Trump is making some headway. I'll give him some credit. However, there is a very very good chance that Putin is just playing Trump:


The article makes the point that it could be that Putin is saying that if Ukraine pulls out of Dontest, that the war will be frozen. And then Ukraine will move back from their fortified positions; and then Russia could attack again. The only way that a peace will hold is if Ukraine is allowed to substantially beef up their defensive capabilities to encourage Russia to never attack again. A stiff defense is the only way to deal with Russia.
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We know that you are not going to stop hence the only way to deal with you is to occupy everything except Western Ukraine.
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What garbage. Nato hasn't invaded a single inch of Russian land.

barbos said:
Western political elite are treacherous scumbags (has always been that way) on service of capitalist oligarchy which are scared to death of China&Co.
Russia, on the other hand, is relatively small and a country with a lot of resources and excellent geographical position to contain said China. That's the reason for western aggression against Russia. That was your calculation. And you failed. You thought it would be easy. But this has been 3 (11 in reality) years and Russia is in even better shape than before the war. You utterly failed.
As I have said many times, It's not about Ukraine (you could not care less about these idiots), it's not even about Russia, you don't care about us (we learned that in the 90s), it's about saving your pretty Hegemony from China. BoJo the clown said it, not me!
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Not sure who the hell Bojo is. You need to learn how to spell. However, the difference between you and I is that I'm against all imperialism. I don't think that it should be done by Russian, China, the US, or anyone else. The reason why you fear NATO is that Nato is the greatest threat to your imperialism. You attack one nato country, they all respond back in kind. Bullies don't like that!
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Bojo is Boris Johnston, British PM who hung around far too long.
 
barbos said:
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barbos said:
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Seriously dude, your army sucks.
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US Army veterans vehemently disagree.
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This veteran doesn’t.
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You need to be a captain at minimum to be taken somewhat seriously. But I draw the line at senior ranks, so major.
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Captain. Yes. That’s as far as I got.

Of course I did get to the war college and I did get to serve on some high level staffs in wartime.

My table manners weren’t good enough for the next promotion . . . Admiral.
 
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