How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[barbos]

I believe that the people who live in a land, should rule that land

Well, crimeans rulled that they don't want to be rulled by ukro-nazi and speak their nazi language.
Eastern Ukraine did the same, and central Ukraine (including Kiev) will do that too.

Ukraine in the East and Central regions (and West) would have had an easy time switching sides, particularly early on... if they actually wanted to. So it is particularly hard to accept your misinformation that the votes in Russia occupied regions are all about being part of Russia.

You know nothing about what ukrainians want.
They fucking voted to settle with Russia and stop the war. But the senile piece of shit and his nazis said no.

 

[Harry Bosch]

I believe that the people who live in a land, should rule that land

Well, crimeans rulled that they don't want to be rulled by ukro-nazi and speak their nazi language.
Eastern Ukraine did the same, and central Ukraine (including Kiev) will do that too.

Ukraine in the East and Central regions (and West) would have had an easy time switching sides, particularly early on... if they actually wanted to. So it is particularly hard to accept your misinformation that the votes in Russia occupied regions are all about being part of Russia.

You know nothing about what ukrainians want.

And you do??! That is so funny. Sorry, I don't mean to attack you this early in the morning. But you really have a shocking lack of understanding of Ukraine despite being Russian. You don't know their history well, don't know what they want now, and can't even spell their capital! You don't understand the Maiden revolution very well. I realize that you don't have access to non-Putin news....

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I believe that the people who live in a land, should rule that land

Well, crimeans rulled that they don't want to be rulled by ukro-nazi and speak their nazi language.
Eastern Ukraine did the same, and central Ukraine (including Kiev) will do that too.

Ukraine in the East and Central regions (and West) would have had an easy time switching sides, particularly early on... if they actually wanted to. So it is particularly hard to accept your misinformation that the votes in Russia occupied regions are all about being part of Russia.

You know nothing about what ukrainians want.

Well, you suggested they welcome Russia with open arms very early on. You suggested they were being freed.

Clearly they didn't welcome Russia with open arms and you position on the Ukrainians has shifted as Russia's pathetic invasion of attrition continues. You even mocked the suffering of Ukrainians... the ones you suggested Russia was freeing, once it became clear you were absolutely wrong about the Ukrainians.

The Ukrainians aren't overthrowing the government in the Capital. Clearly you have have no idea what Ukrainians wants.

They fucking voted to settle with Russia and stop the war. But the senile piece of shit and his nazis said no.

Russia occupied portions of Ukraine held "elections". Whoopee!

 

[barbos]

And you do??! That is so funny.

I do.

But you really have a shocking lack of understanding of Ukraine despite being Russian

That's fucking rich.

You don't understand the Maiden revolution very well. I realize that you don't have access to non-Putin news

That's rich as well.

You are so full of yourself. You can't even spell "maidan"

 

[barbos]

Russia occupied portions of Ukraine held "elections". Whoopee!

Nope, in Kiev Regime held territories.

 

[barbos]

Well, you suggested they welcome Russia with open arms very early on. You suggested they were being freed.

And I was right.

 

[aupmanyav]

Xi may not be an idiot but he is transactional and doesn't give a flying fuck about Russia or the Russian people beyond how it may serve China.
I agree with your statement, "not by Americans".

For that he has to give a flying fuck to Russia.

Quite honestly, with nuclear weapons, the entire world is threatened by Russian imperialism.

It is not that only Russians have the nuclear weapons. Now practically every party has. Iran may get it soon. Saudis have bought it from Pakistan. We have bigger problems on our borders with Pakistan and China. We will try to keep up with them. Russia is not our adversary.

But we are not war mongers. Do not think that we want the Russian-Polish-Estonian conflict to blow up and the world is led into WW3.
Won't be good for us too. But US and NATO should realize that the world is no more uni-polar.

 

[TV and credit cards]

Xi may not be an idiot but he is transactional and doesn't give a flying fuck about Russia or the Russian people beyond how it may serve China.
I agree with your statement, "not by Americans".

For that he has to give a flying fuck to Russia.

Sure but my point is, Poland shutting down China's most convenient economic land bridge to Europe is going to weigh against Xi's interest in Russia. Like I said, purely transactional.

 

[aupmanyav]

Sure but my point is, Poland shutting down China's most convenient economic land bridge to Europe is going to weigh against Xi's interest in Russia.

That will mean costlier Chinese things for Europe. China currently has a foreign exchange reserve of USD 3,643 billion. It can absorb a few hiccups (India is fifth with USD 703 billion, Russia USD 705 billion, I see we have lagged behind as of 12 September).

 

[Harry Bosch]

Xi may not be an idiot but he is transactional and doesn't give a flying fuck about Russia or the Russian people beyond how it may serve China.
I agree with your statement, "not by Americans".

For that he has to give a flying fuck to Russia.

Quite honestly, with nuclear weapons, the entire world is threatened by Russian imperialism.

It is not that only Russians have the nuclear weapons. Now practically every party has. Iran may get it soon. Saudis have bought it from Pakistan. We have bigger problems on our borders with Pakistan and China. We will try to keep up with them. Russia is not our adversary.

But we are not war mongers. Do not think that we want the Russian-Polish-Estonian conflict to blow up and the world is led into WW3.
Won't be good for us too. But US and NATO should realize that the world is no more uni-polar.

Yes, I don't think that India is war mongers either. Interesting that you call the current war "Russian-Polish-Estonian" conflict. I agree though. I think that Russia will invade Estonia next; then Baltics, then Poland. I don't think that the US is uni-polar or only worried about Russian imperialism in the least. We also don't want conflicts in China/Taiwan or India/Pakistan either. Most Americans want the fighting in the ME to stop also. War is bad for the economy, bad for the environment, bad for civilians, bad for soldiers, and bad for everyone else.

 

[aupmanyav]

We also don't want conflicts in China/Taiwan or India/Pakistan either.

If we want to fight, then let us. How does it concern you? Are you the 'boss?

 

[bilby]

If we want to fight, then let us.

Sure. Just as long as you can guarantee that nobody who doesn't want to fight will be harmed in any way.

Otherwise, fuck that.

If you want to fight, rent a gym with a boxing ring.

 

[barbos]

Xi may not be an idiot but he is transactional and doesn't give a flying fuck about Russia or the Russian people beyond how it may serve China.
I agree with your statement, "not by Americans".

For that he has to give a flying fuck to Russia.

Sure but my point is, Poland shutting down China's most convenient economic land bridge to Europe is going to weigh against Xi's interest in Russia. Like I said, purely transactional.

..... and Poland reopens China's most convenient economic land bridge to Europe.

 

[barbos]

If we want to fight, then let us.

Sure. Just as long as you can guarantee that nobody who doesn't want to fight will be harmed in any way.

Otherwise, fuck that.

If you want to fight, rent a gym with a boxing ring.

Tell that to Bush, Clinton. Bush, Obama, Trump, Biden.

 

[aupmanyav]

Sure. Just as long as you can guarantee that nobody who doesn't want to fight will be harmed in any way.
Otherwise, fuck that.
If you want to fight, rent a gym with a boxing ring.

That is if two persons need to fight. War between two nations is more than that.
We have fought wars with China and Pakistan, and they wanted it.
China by violating the standing Cease-fire, Pakistan by sending in the terrorists.
Pakistan is still doing it, When the red line is crossed, we would react without warning.
Operation Sindoor has not been called off.

 

[bilby]

Sure. Just as long as you can guarantee that nobody who doesn't want to fight will be harmed in any way.
Otherwise, fuck that.
If you want to fight, rent a gym with a boxing ring.

That is if two persons need to fight. War between two nations is more than that.

Not to the poor bastards caught up in it who don't want to fight, it fucking isn't.

We have fought wars with China and Pakistan, and they wanted it.

What, all of them? That seems unlikely.

 

[Tigers!]

Russia has violated every peace agreement with Ukraine (and every other country) that it has signed. Ukraine would be crazy to sign any treaty with Russia that forced it to de-arm and give up defensive arms and strategic locations. Without peace keeping troops and massive amounts of defensive arms; Russia will invade again.

FIFY

 

[DrZoidberg]

What more does Russia need to do to trigger NATO to send troops to Ukraine?

As far as I am concerned, the moment Russia started targeting civilians and the power infrastructure we should have gone in. Kidnapping Ukrainian children is another bad one.

Now we're letting Russia grind Ukraine to dust while we're sending trinkets. Right now its looking like its just a matter of time before Russia wins. Which would be bad. I don't think we have much time left

What else needs to happen that will make the NATO countries willing to commit troops?

 

[aupmanyav]

Not to the poor bastards caught up in it who don't want to fight, it fucking isn't.

Such nations should take care not get caught between the fight of any two bulls.

What, all of them? That seems unlikely.

I gave you the reasons why we had to fight.
China because they violated the standing cease-fire agreement of not making a unilateral move on the 'line of actual control', and Pakistan because they sent in the terrorists who killed 25 innocent Hindu tourists at a place in Kashmir.

 

[aupmanyav]

Ukraine would be crazy to sign any treaty with Russia that forced it to de-arm and give up defensive arms and strategic locations. Without peace keeping troops and massive amounts of defensive arms; Russia will invade again.

1. They have not yet sat across the table. Why do you think that Russia will want Ukraine to disarm and give up strategic locations?
The treaty will be between them, if it ever happens. Why should others be concerned about it?
2. Again, they would decide the terms between themselves. Why should you deem the presence of third-party peace troops as necessary?
Third-party interference should be avoided unless both the parties want it.