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How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

We did not invade Ukraine. We were invited by democratically elected governments of these republics to protect them from nazi regime US installed by a coup. And Ukraine never had any nukes in the first place.
Also NATO promised not to expand and broke that promise so any hypothetical promise by Russia is null and void.
Yikes. I'm at a loss at how to reason with someone who would state and believe the above. I've had more sane discussions talking with Branch Davidians.

This is why NATO needs to be dramatically strengthened to avoid more war with Russia. They have an imperialist for a leader with an incredibly naive population that enjoys war for entertainment.
 
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We did not invade Ukraine. We were invited by democratically elected governments of these republics to protect them from nazi regime US installed by a coup. And Ukraine never had any nukes in the first place.
Also NATO promised not to expand and broke that promise so any hypothetical promise by Russia is null and void.
Yikes. I'm at a loss at how to reason with someone who would state and believe the above. I've had more sane discussions talking with Branch Davidians.

This is why NATO needs to be dramatically strengthened to avoid more war with Russia. They have an imperialist for a leader with an incredibly naive population that enjoys war for entertainment.
No, I am at a loss at how to reason with you who state ridiculous BS.
The war was started by nazi you installed in Kiev. Current regime in Kiev has no legitimacy in Eastern Ukraine. Eastern Ukraine was not even participating in elections, forget about illegality of banning non-nazi candidates.
 
We did not invade Ukraine. We were invited by democratically elected governments of these republics to protect them from nazi regime US installed by a coup. And Ukraine never had any nukes in the first place.
Also NATO promised not to expand and broke that promise so any hypothetical promise by Russia is null and void.
It is estimated that the observable universe is a mere ninety three billion lightyears across, which leaves me perplexed at how anyone could manage to be quite so far from reality as to believe this tripe.
 
We did not invade Ukraine. We were invited by democratically elected governments of these republics to protect them from nazi regime US installed by a coup. And Ukraine never had any nukes in the first place.
Also NATO promised not to expand and broke that promise so any hypothetical promise by Russia is null and void.
It is estimated that the observable universe is a mere ninety three billion lightyears across, which leaves me perplexed at how anyone could manage to be quite so far from reality as to believe this tripe.
Again, you are projecting.
 
We did not invade Ukraine. We were invited by democratically elected governments of these republics to protect them from nazi regime US installed by a coup. And Ukraine never had any nukes in the first place.
Also NATO promised not to expand and broke that promise so any hypothetical promise by Russia is null and void.
It is estimated that the observable universe is a mere ninety three billion lightyears across, which leaves me perplexed at how anyone could manage to be quite so far from reality as to believe this tripe.
Again, you are projecting.
There isn't a projector big enough. Your claims are unhinged. If you didn't invade Ukraine, then how the fuck did all those Russian soldiers get there? And why the fuck don't they piss off back home quick-smart?
 
We did not invade Ukraine. We were invited by democratically elected governments of these republics to protect them from nazi regime US installed by a coup. And Ukraine never had any nukes in the first place.
Also NATO promised not to expand and broke that promise so any hypothetical promise by Russia is null and void.
It is estimated that the observable universe is a mere ninety three billion lightyears across, which leaves me perplexed at how anyone could manage to be quite so far from reality as to believe this tripe.
Again, you are projecting.
There isn't a projector big enough. Your claims are unhinged. If you didn't unprovokedly invade Ukraine, then how the fuck did all those Russian soldiers get there? And why the fuck don't they piss off back home quick-smart?
You're slipping, you forgot "unprovoked", fixed for you.
My comments unhinged?
How about your side? how about Yaroslav Hunka? How about your nazis going atound and burning prio-russian proptesters?
How about your nazi scum going around and removing everything which is Russia related in russian cities?
How about CIA director instructing nazi regime to label pro-russians in Eastern Ukraine as "terrorists"?
Who the fuck you think you are to lecture russians?
You fucking support actual nazi and islamic terrorists in Russia.
 
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Eastern Ukraine want to be part of Russia... which is apparently why Russia has taken so long to occupy scraps of the territory the people on it want to be ruled by them.
 
We did not invade Ukraine. We were invited by democratically elected governments of these republics to protect them from nazi regime US installed by a coup. And Ukraine never had any nukes in the first place.
Also NATO promised not to expand and broke that promise so any hypothetical promise by Russia is null and void.
Yikes. I'm at a loss at how to reason with someone who would state and believe the above. I've had more sane discussions talking with Branch Davidians.

This is why NATO needs to be dramatically strengthened to avoid more war with Russia. They have an imperialist for a leader with an incredibly naive population that enjoys war for entertainment.
No, I am at a loss at how to reason with you who state ridiculous BS.
The war was started by nazi you installed in Kiev. Current regime in Kiev has no legitimacy in Eastern Ukraine. Eastern Ukraine was not even participating in elections, forget about illegality of banning non-nazi candidates.

Again, you show your ignorance of Ukraine. The Maidan revolution legally ousted President Viktor Yanukovych in 2013. It was legal according to Ukranian law (maybe not according to Russian law but who gives a shit). After Yanuk, Okegsandr was legally put into power for 104 days. Then an election occurred (not a coup) and Poroshenko was elected by the people in a close vote. Not installed. Elected. If you don't know the difference, I can't help you. Zelensky next ran in 2019 and won with 73% of the vote. A landslide. There have been no legitimate accusations of vote rigging. The Ukranians followed their law and legally elected Zelensky. There was no CIA coup. The world doesn't believe that. Neither does China or India. There is a far right party in Ukraine. They ran against Zelensky and won 2.1% of the total vote. They lost. And are not in Zelensky's party.

The "nazi Ukraine" and "CIA induced coup" are propaganda tools used by Putin to justify the invasion and mobilize domestic support. The rest of the world and historian overwhelmingly reject this framing. There is no evidence that Ukraine is controlled by Nazis or pursues fascist policies.

History lesson over for the day!
 
Again, you show your ignorance of Ukraine. The Maidan revolution legally.... [BS propaganda was here]
You are insane if you believe that garbage.
I have addressed that million times.
Burning pro-russian protesters alive was legal?
Banning russian language was legal?
Even if all of that was legal and your nazi regime in Kiev had 90% support of "ukrainians" it has no bearing on reality that Russia can not allow this shit to continue. We don't give a flaying fuck about nazi "democracy".
 
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Again, you show your ignorance of Ukraine. The Maidan revolution legally.... [BS propaganda was here]
You are insane if you believe that garbage.
I have addressed that million times.
I’m curious. When this first started in February of 2022, did you really think that it would still be going on almost 4 years later? And yet your forces would still be 100’s of miles from Kiev? Stuck in a stalemate in Donetsk? Over 85,000 Russians killed? Is this really how you envisioned the war unfolding? This is what you hoped for? Seriously?

Or did you think it would be a cake walk like so many of the troops did? Over in a week or two?
 
Again, you show your ignorance of Ukraine. The Maidan revolution legally.... [BS propaganda was here]
You are insane if you believe that garbage.
I have addressed that million times.
Burning pro-russian protesters alive was legal?
Banning russian language was legal?
Even if all of that was legal and your nazi regime in Kiev had 90% support of "ukrainians" it has no bearing on reality that Russia can not allow this shit to continue. We don't give a flaying fuck about nazi "democracy".

A sovereign county can ban whatever the fuck they want to ban! The real issue here is that Russia wants to tell other countries how to live their lives, what language to speak, and who to trade with. And they are willing to die to impose this on other countries. All these peace talks fail with Russia because Trump doesn't understand this. Russia is a bully imperialist force that the west must align against to stop.
 
Or did you think it would be a cake walk like so many of the troops did? Over in a week or two?
It is common knowledge that we thought that Kiev regime would crumble immediately.
We did not take into account level of ukrainian corruption.
 
A sovereign county can ban whatever the fuck they want to ban!
Were Yugoslavia a sovereign country?

<sigh> Again, you are not a student of European history. Read up on Yugoslavia and then I'll debate you. However, a big difference between you and I is that I call out imperialism against all that commit it. Be it USA, By China, By Russia, or whomever.
 
Again, you are not a student of European history. Read up on Yugoslavia and then I'll debate you.
NATO according to your own logic had no right to involve itself with sovereign country named Yugoslavia.
Moreover pretext they used was a lie. Same as with Iraq, Vietnam, .......
 
Russia wants to tell other countries how to live their lives, what language to speak, and who to trade with. And they are willing to die to impose this on other countries
Yes, we think that regime in Kiev has no right to tell what language its citizens can speak.

Of course. This is what an imperialist would say. You want to impose your will on others. You want to take away their choice. This just fundamentally goes against what most in the West want. There really can't be a long-term peace with a country that has these beliefs.
 
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