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How should west respond to Russian invasion of Ukraine?



What's the news here? Yea, Ukraine wants peace.

Elensky is not Unkraine. He wants something which saves his ass.
They've offered it many many times.
That's absolute falsehood. They offered ceasefire, in order to get some rest.
It's your side that rejects it. It's the big difference between Ukraine and Russia. Ukraine cares about the lives of their citizens. The old fucks running Russia don't give a shit.
Yes we reject ceasefire. We want lasting peace with Ukraine which never again used against us.


Ukraine has offered that it is very open to peace talks. They've signaled over and over that they are willing to give up land for peace. But they aren't going to give up defensive positions, de-arm, and make themselves vulnerable for future Russian aggression.
 
But they aren't going to give up defensive positions
Let me dumb it down for you. American scum know that they are losing the war with Russia.
They need ceasefire to rearm and give themselves time to regroup. We are not playing this game anymore!
I want unconditional surrender followed by public execution of nazi scum you have carefully grown in Ukraine.
Ideally Western scum such as EU/UK/US presidents and NATO leadership and RAND corporation should be tried and executed. I want Yaroslav Hunka executed too.
But that's not realistic, so I will be OK with executing your Ukrainian puppet psychopaths.
 
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But they aren't going to give up defensive positions
Let me dumb it down for you. American scum know that they are losing the war with Russia.
They need ceasefire to rearm and give themselves time to regroup. We are not playing this game anymore!
I want unconditional surrender followed by public execution of nazi scum you have carefully grown in Ukraine.
Ideally Western scum such as EU/UK/US presidents and NATO leadership and RAND corporation should be tried and executed. I want Yaroslav Hunka executed too.
But that's not realistic, so I will be OK with executing your Ukrainian puppet psychopaths.
Blah blah blah nazi blah blah western scum blah blah Ukrainian puppets blah blah blah.

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Ukraine launches one of its largest aerial attacks of the war, killing at least 6 people in Russia

An 83-year-old man was killed after a Ukrainian drone hit a private home in the Moscow region, local Gov. Andrey Vorobyov said. He also confirmed that a Ukrainian attack had sparked a blaze at a warehouse belonging to Russian retail giant Wildberries in the town of Podolsk, where images shared by Russian media outlets showed columns of black smoke .

A drone attack targeted three towns in Russia's southwestern Rostov region, killing five people, local Gov. Yury Slyusar said. The attack, with more than 150 drones, damaged several homes and a railway station and sparked a forest fire.

Ukraine has stepped up its attacks on Russia this year, with long-range missiles and swarms of drones increasingly targeting military industries and energy facilities. It has also increasingly pummeled giant Wildberries depots, burning billions of dollars' worth of merchandise and bringing the war home to the Russian public nearly 4½ years into Moscow's full-scale invasion of Ukraine.
 
Anyone else here see he utter lunacy of the war, or it just me?
I don’t know. Russia wants to conquer Ukraine. Ukraine wants to be free. I think it’s lunacy for Russia to think that Ukraine would just give up without a fight!
Put it in historical context. The Russian Empire occupied Ukraine except for the western part, which was "Galicia" under the Habsburg Austro-Hungarian Empire. Germany took the eastern part of Poland, but Russia's occupation extended over much of Wielkopolska (Greater Poland) including Belarus. In WWI, the tsarist advance eastward intended to extend into Germany, and that was what the Soviet Empire ended up keeping as a satellite state, including all of Polish territory. The West barely managed to dislodge Russian occupiers from Austria, which remains outside of NATO to this day. It remains "permanently neutral".

During the WWI era, the tsarist expansion treated Ukrainians (aka Malorussians or "Little Russians") as essentially part of Russia. Ukraine was fully incorporated into the Soviet Union, a repurposed "Russian Empire". At the end of WWI, Germany had effectively won the Eastern front and lost the Western Front. After WWII, Soviet Russia had basically won back the former territory of the Russian Empire and expanded it further to the West. However, the Eastern Bloc consisted of nation-states that, by international agreement, were treated as sovereign. Nevertheless, as rebellions post-WWII showed, they were the prevailing occupying power until Gorbachev came along and the Soviet Empire collapsed.

The new Putin regime is an irredentist movement that is still pushing the old Russian imperial view that Ukraine is essentially "Little Russia". Putin promotes the idea that Russians, Belarussians, and Ukrainians are all "one people"--part of the same spiritual nation. These are Orthodox Christian territories that largely speak languages classified as Eastern Slavic. It is the same propagandist crap that the tsarist regime spread to motivate its westward expansion into non-Russian territories. Historically, the Muscovite state regarded itself as the "Third Rome" after the fall of Constantinople in the 15th century. The name "tsar" comes from the early Rus' name for Constantinople--"Tsargrad" (literally "Caesar City"). The idea was that the Tsar was the protector and ruler of the old Rus' territories, which included essentially the eastern portion of the old Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.

When barbos calls the western part of Ukraine "Galicia", he is referring to the partitioned part of Ruthenian lands that had been under Habsburg and German occupation. Putin is very much trying to bring back the Soviet/Russian Empire, which was historically oriented towards expansion into German-speaking territories. Barbos is essentially a propagandist for that expansion into at least Eastern Ukraine. Belarus has been all but incorporated now. When Lukashenko leaves, another Russian-controlled quisling will likely be installed in his place. Belarus could even be incorporated into the Russian Federation, just as parts of Ukrainian territory have already been incorporated.
What a load of crap.
Most of modern Ukraine has always been Russia (Except short term occupation by Poland and .... Sweden) Smaller part was most of the time occupied by Poland, that's true, but it does not make it Poland. Poles were trying to occupy whole Russia and were pretty close to achieving that through different kind of machinations
Ukrainian territory was formally united with Poland by a royal marriage in 1386. Belarussian and Ukrainian territories existed as a part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth for roughly 400 years, longer than they have been occupied by Russia. Afterwards, Ukrainian territory was only occupied by Russia for a little over 300 years. After briefly resisting Russian "Soviet" occupation after the October Revolution, Ukraine even became a separate "Soviet Socialist Republic" outside of the Russian Federation during the imperial Soviet period. When Gorbachev gave Ukrainians a chance to vote in an honest referendum, the Ukrainian people voted to leave the Soviet Union, as did other so-called "republics" in that empire. The Russian Federation was abandoned to stand alone, because national groups within the Soviet imperial sphere did not want to be dominated by Moscow. The Ukrainians especially had bitter memories of the Holodomor and other violent repressions that took place under Stalin, but post-Stalinist Ukraine still wanted to be free of Russia. They considered themselves part of Europe, not Russia.
 
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