How should west respond to Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[Tigers!]

Moscow today:

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Moscow 5 years from now:

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They have to stop giving kids in Russia matches.

 

[barbos]

Rabid hater of Russia Merz's days are numbered:
AfD won in another region - Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania.
Left in Berlin

Germany: AfD wins in northeastern state, Left in Berlin

The far-right AfD has come first in the state election in Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania, with Chancellor Merz's CDU failing to enter parliament. Meanwhile the Left Party took first place in Berlin. DW has more.

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[barbos]

former Elesnky's speaker, not a fan of him.

 

[Patooka]

Rabid hater of Russia Merz's days are numbered:
AfD won in another region - Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania.
Left in Berlin

Germany: AfD wins in northeastern state, Left in Berlin

The far-right AfD has come first in the state election in Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania, with Chancellor Merz's CDU failing to enter parliament. Meanwhile the Left Party took first place in Berlin. DW has more.

www.dw.com

Moscow Bob endorsing neo nazis whilst accusing everyone else nazis.

In other news, sky is up and water is wet.

 

[barbos]

Rabid hater of Russia Merz's days are numbered:
AfD won in another region - Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania.
Left in Berlin

Germany: AfD wins in northeastern state, Left in Berlin

The far-right AfD has come first in the state election in Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania, with Chancellor Merz's CDU failing to enter parliament. Meanwhile the Left Party took first place in Berlin. DW has more.

www.dw.com

Moscow Bob endorsing neo nazis whilst accusing everyone else nazis.

In other news, sky is up and water is wet.

AfD are not neo-nazis, and Moscow bob does not endorse them anyway.
I just point out the fact that Russia haters lost.
Merz is a piece of shit, even Merkel agrees with that.

 

[ZiprHead]

AfD are not neo-nazis,

That's what a neo-nazi would say.

 

[ZiprHead]

Largest attack on Moscow sees Ukraine fire hundreds of drones, mayor says

Moscow's mayor says 450 drones were downed during the overnight barrage, in which two people died.

www.bbc.com

Ukraine has fired its largest drone attack on the Moscow region, the mayor has said, hitting the city's main oil refinery and a residential building.

Mayor Sergei Sobyanin said 450 drones heading for the capital had been shot down in what he called "the most massive" attack. The region's governor said at least two people were killed and 20 injured.

Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky confirmed Kyiv had hit a "key" Russian oil facility and a logistics site in the region with drones and missiles, representing "billions of dollars that sustain the war machine".

 

[barbos]

Largest attack on Moscow sees Ukraine fire hundreds of drones, mayor says

Moscow's mayor says 450 drones were downed during the overnight barrage, in which two people died.

www.bbc.com

Ukraine has fired its largest drone attack on the Moscow region, the mayor has said, hitting the city's main oil refinery and a residential building.

Mayor Sergei Sobyanin said 450 drones heading for the capital had been shot down in what he called "the most massive" attack. The region's governor said at least two people were killed and 20 injured.

Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky confirmed Kyiv had hit a "key" Russian oil facility and a logistics site in the region with drones and missiles, representing "billions of dollars that sustain the war machine".

Dude, MiniHitler launched a thousand drones and and it resulted in 3-4 hits.
Do you realize what it means? success rate is 0.5%
Actually it is 0.1% because they hit only one target, the rest is just debris on random apartments.

 

[barbos]

 

[Patooka]

AfD are not neo-nazi

Wrong.

 

[ZiprHead]

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump

Russia has unfortunately lost control of its Diesel Oil Industry due to its War with Ukraine.
A large number of their Diesel refineries have been blown up and are, at least temporarily, out of commission.
This ridiculous and never ending War with Ukraine must be ended.
The whole World suffers as 25,000 people, mostly soldiers, are being killed each month.
What a shame!
President DJT

Uh oh. Even Putin's BFF says a lot of oil production is offline. Poor Babs.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Speaking of F16s. Nazis were using them for shooting down russian drones. But they ran out out air-to-air missiles and now have to use cannons which is very problematic.

Guns work against drones. Guns on fighters work much better than guns on the ground because the fighters can line up a perfect shot against a sitting duck, ground gunners have to take whatever shot they get.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Largest attack on Moscow sees Ukraine fire hundreds of drones, mayor says

Moscow's mayor says 450 drones were downed during the overnight barrage, in which two people died.

www.bbc.com

Ukraine has fired its largest drone attack on the Moscow region, the mayor has said, hitting the city's main oil refinery and a residential building.

Mayor Sergei Sobyanin said 450 drones heading for the capital had been shot down in what he called "the most massive" attack. The region's governor said at least two people were killed and 20 injured.

Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky confirmed Kyiv had hit a "key" Russian oil facility and a logistics site in the region with drones and missiles, representing "billions of dollars that sustain the war machine".

Dude, MiniHitler launched a thousand drones and and it resulted in 3-4 hits.
Do you realize what it means? success rate is 0.5%
Actually it is 0.1% because they hit only one target, the rest is just debris on random apartments.

If so badly ineffective, I'm sure that your country will stop bitching about other countries helping Ukraine then?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Largest attack on Moscow sees Ukraine fire hundreds of drones, mayor says

Moscow's mayor says 450 drones were downed during the overnight barrage, in which two people died.

www.bbc.com

Ukraine has fired its largest drone attack on the Moscow region, the mayor has said, hitting the city's main oil refinery and a residential building.

Mayor Sergei Sobyanin said 450 drones heading for the capital had been shot down in what he called "the most massive" attack. The region's governor said at least two people were killed and 20 injured.

Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky confirmed Kyiv had hit a "key" Russian oil facility and a logistics site in the region with drones and missiles, representing "billions of dollars that sustain the war machine".

The last sentence is very important.

In war, the first objective is to prevail on the battlefield. If this proves impossible for both sides it becomes a war of attrition destroying that which feeds the war machine. And with a peer-level opponent the result is pretty much the destruction of both sides. In the end both will be devastated, Ukraine has friends, Russia doesn't have anyone that will help.

 

[ZiprHead]

There appears to be a generous supply of assholes who are willing to work against their own country as long as the generous checks denominated in rubles continue to arrive.

 

[barbos]

Largest attack on Moscow sees Ukraine fire hundreds of drones, mayor says

Moscow's mayor says 450 drones were downed during the overnight barrage, in which two people died.

www.bbc.com

Ukraine has fired its largest drone attack on the Moscow region, the mayor has said, hitting the city's main oil refinery and a residential building.

Mayor Sergei Sobyanin said 450 drones heading for the capital had been shot down in what he called "the most massive" attack. The region's governor said at least two people were killed and 20 injured.

Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky confirmed Kyiv had hit a "key" Russian oil facility and a logistics site in the region with drones and missiles, representing "billions of dollars that sustain the war machine".

Dude, MiniHitler launched a thousand drones and and it resulted in 3-4 hits.
Do you realize what it means? success rate is 0.5%
Actually it is 0.1% because they hit only one target, the rest is just debris on random apartments.

If so badly ineffective, I'm sure that your country will stop bitching about other countries helping Ukraine then?

That's rich coming from assholes who bithch about Russian drones in EU
I presume you are not gonna bitch when Russia finds someoone to launch drones to White House?

 

[barbos]

Speaking of F16s. Nazis were using them for shooting down russian drones. But they ran out out air-to-air missiles and now have to use cannons which is very problematic.

Guns work against drones. Guns on fighters work much better than guns on the ground because the fighters can line up a perfect shot against a sitting duck, ground gunners have to take whatever shot they get.

Apparently they are not even cost effective and the west is running out ammunition.
And Russia launches around a thousand drones at once, it is physically impossible to counteract it with a handful of F16s

 

[aupmanyav]

I do not think Euope or UK need to respond to the Ukranian crisis. It is between USA and Russia in which Ukraine got involved.

 

[barbos]

A good explanation of political system in Russia. Yes, "Dermocracy" literally translates as "Shitocracy"
Just one letter inserted Very common word expression referring to 1990s and direct Western rule in Russia.

 

[steve_bank]

I do not think Euope or UK need to respond to the Ukranian crisis. It is between USA and Russia in which Ukraine got involved.

Actually no. It is between Russia and Europe. Russia has been working to destabilize the EU and NATO for decades. He covets the small Baltic States, formerly part of the Soviet Union.

Ukraine kicked out the Russian puppet Then began to develop economic ties with the EU. A red flag for Putin who wanted Ukraine in the Russian Federation economic block.

Before the full-scale war, Ukraine was never formally offered a NATO membership invitation or a Membership Action Plan, though NATO stated in 2008 that Ukraine would eventually join

Viktor Yanukovych: He served as the pro-Russian president of Ukraine from 2010 until he was ousted during the Maidan Revolution in February 2014 after rejecting an EU trade agreement in favor of ties with Russia. He fled to Russia, and intelligence reports suggested Moscow considered attempting to reinstall him during the 2022 invasion

The Eurasian Economic Union:
Eurasian Union Goal: Vladimir Putin wanted to build the Eurasian Economic Union. This group is a trade partnership of former Soviet countries.
Ukraine's Role: Putin viewed Ukraine as a vital part of this plan because of its large size, population, and economy. Without Ukraine, he believed the economic bloc would lack its full power and reach

Seven Reasons Why Russia Wants to Keep Ukraine All to Itself

<p>Moscow is using money and threats to influence Kiev while warning Western countries not to interfere. Here's why.</p>

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Seven Reasons Why Russia Wants to Keep Ukraine All to Itself

1. Russia has designs on Ukraine’s natural gas pipelines
2. Russia considers Ukraine a 'mini me'
3. Without Ukraine, there is no Eurasian Union
4. Russia believes Russian and Ukrainian history is inextricably linked
5. Russia considers Ukraine within its sphere of influence
6. Lots of Ukrainians still speak Russian
7. Russia feels threatened by revolution

A su8cessful revolution in Ukraine and a good independent economy is an inspiration for others in the Burundian Federation.