How should west respond to Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[ZiprHead]

RT is still available on the 'net. not blocked in the US.

 

[Elixir]

RT is still available on the 'net. not blocked in the US.

Who cares?

 

[barbos]

So yes, we do have free speech and a free press.

Not as free as you think.
Last time I checked RT was banned in US.

It was never banned. It went broke and couldn't pay it's bills.

It was banned.

Okay, I'll type slowly. I know they came home crying about how big ole mean Murica took their lunch money and broke their glasses, but that's not what happened. Over here, a media company has to pay rent, utilities and payroll. The money for this comes from advertising and subscriptions.
With me, so far?
It turned out all the thousands of Westerners who would watch RT already immigrated to Russia. No subscribers and nobody to see the ads, so RT was short of cash.
Naturally, they call up Putin and ask for help. Putin starts talking about a Russian priest in the middle ages who invented toenail fungus. They are confused, but listen patiently. Eventually Putin hangs up.
They call back and Lavrov Propaganskl answers. He says, "I've got a guy named Barbos who does a better job for much less money. Why do I need you?" Then he hangs up.
So, never banned, just abandoned by their handlers.
I hope this clears things up for you.

RT was banned on TV and more importantly it was banned on Youtube.
It was outright banned in UK.

 

[barbos]

RT is still available on the 'net. not blocked in the US.

It was banned on Youtube. Website itself is banned in EU.
But I have to check. I mean everything was banned in EU in 2022

AI Overview
Yes, RT (formerly Russia Today) is banned across the European Union. 
Council, European Union

 

[barbos]

The West have an appearance of free speech. I mean you allow it when it is safe for regime to allow. And you find the way to effectively ban it when it causes problem for the regime. That's what happened in UK with RT when they showed that BBC staged the chemical attack in Syria.

 

[barbos]

Meanwhile, shooting near recently discovered secret TTsK prison in Kiev. One man is shot by unidetified group of people who started attacking protesters against TTsK.

It turned out that the building was used by Azov to hold deserters for ransom by relatives. If relatives had no money they were killed. 14 people were there, all were tortured/beaten, one with broken spine, another with gangrene.

 

[barbos]

Youtube also harrass Ukrainian opposition personalities Panchenko for example.
She had a channel with a lot of subscriber, and YT deleted it, but allowed to create new one.

 

[Bronzeage]

So yes, we do have free speech and a free press.

Not as free as you think.
Last time I checked RT was banned in US.

It was never banned. It went broke and couldn't pay it's bills.

It was banned.

Okay, I'll type slowly. I know they came home crying about how big ole mean Murica took their lunch money and broke their glasses, but that's not what happened. Over here, a media company has to pay rent, utilities and payroll. The money for this comes from advertising and subscriptions.
With me, so far?
It turned out all the thousands of Westerners who would watch RT already immigrated to Russia. No subscribers and nobody to see the ads, so RT was short of cash.
Naturally, they call up Putin and ask for help. Putin starts talking about a Russian priest in the middle ages who invented toenail fungus. They are confused, but listen patiently. Eventually Putin hangs up.
They call back and Lavrov Propaganskl answers. He says, "I've got a guy named Barbos who does a better job for much less money. Why do I need you?" Then he hangs up.
So, never banned, just abandoned by their handlers.
I hope this clears things up for you.

RT was banned on TV and more importantly it was banned on Youtube.
It was outright banned in UK.

You don't understand how it works in the US. Sanctions made it impossible for Russia to subsidize RT and it was not a viable business without it and had to close up shop. YouTube is a private business and has the full control over who uses their service.

Don't cry for RT. It just makes your work more important. Maybe you should ask for a raise.

 

[barbos]

You don't understand how it works in the US. Sanctions made it impossible for Russia to subsidize RT and it was not a viable business without it and had to close up shop.

It is you who do not understand that I understand better than you.
As I said, when it becomes problematic The West finds the way to ban free speech.
That's what UK did and what US did.

YouTube is a private business and has the full control over who uses their service

I am fully aware of that. That's a loophole which allows US government to ban individuals such as Panchenko on Youtube.
Same story with survelance. CIA cannot spy on US citizens, so they ask UK to do that for them.
Russia on the other hand care less about appearance. And simply bans all people who receive money from abroad for criticizing Russia anywhere. Plus they prosecute people for spreading lies about Russian Army.
EU can not sanction their own citizens, so they have some freedom of speech but non-eu citizens such as Switzerland are being sanctioned and banned in EU.

 

[steve_bank]

I never watched RT. It was not on TV meaning over the the air. It was on cable.

How extenuate was it? 'Id think you have to be pretty extreme to get banned by YouTube.

As to Europe we know Russia supports extreme right wing groups trying to disrupt Europe.

It is the Old Soviett anti west pl;playbook. Blame the west for Russia's troubles.

Don;t know what Putin expects. At the star of the war he threatened to use nukes ahd start WWIII with Europe. Drones and fighter jets violating NATO airspace.

If it were up to me over here I'd close Russian embassies and expel all Russian citizens. Send them back to Mother Russia.

Is Russia Today (RT) Banned in the EU?

Yes — the EU has a bloc‑wide ban on RT and Sputnik, in place since March 2022, prohibiting operators inside the Union from broadcasting or disseminating their content, and recent CJEU rulings extend this to any person making RT material publicly available, even unpaid or via free sites

And again th irony. Russia has shut down all independent media. The state controls median and what people hear.

Old news.

Barbos is quite free to say anything about Russia and America on this forum, yet none of us Americans have such a right on any Russian media.


In Russia as American visitors we would be arrested for disseminate our views.

Putin’s government has effectively dismantled Russia’s independent press — closing or forcing out most major outlets — but some independent media still operate, often overseas, and many more Russians now access them than before the crackdown

Sleep tight Barbos, don't let the drones bother you.

 

[barbos]

And again th irony. Russia has shut down all independent media.

Yes, we banned all intdependent media which is funded by ..... State Department.

 

[barbos]

As to Europe we know Russia supports extreme right wing groups trying to disrupt Europe.

You support Al Qaeda and nazis. And no, Russia does not support any group in Europe.
Certainly not with money.

 

[steve_bank]

As to Europe we know Russia supports extreme right wing groups trying to disrupt Europe.

You support Al Qaeda and nazis. And no, Russia does not support any group in Europe.
Certainly not with money.

And you wider why RT was banned from YouTube?

Barbos, I think the British word for you is daft. Over her we might say Looney Toons;

Hanging on to the Cold War where Europe was a hated emery is what is bringing Russia down.

The Soviet Union collapsed because of several things, none of which was the west. Get over it.

Europe always had trade and travel with the Soviets.

 

[barbos]

In Russia as American visitors we would be arrested for disseminate our views.

Depends on the views, you will be deported:

 

[barbos]

The Soviet Union collapsed because of several things, none of which was the west. Get over it.

You keep posting random irrelevant crap. See a doctor.

 

[Ovazor]

You keep posting random irrelevant crap. See a doctor.

You must be looking at your own face reflected on the computer screen when saying things like that.

 

[Bronzeage]

You don't understand how it works in the US. Sanctions made it impossible for Russia to subsidize RT and it was not a viable business without it and had to close up shop.

It is you who do not understand that I understand better than you.
As I said, when it becomes problematic The West finds the way to ban free speech.
That's what UK did and what US did.

YouTube is a private business and has the full control over who uses their service

I am fully aware of that. That's a loophole which allows US government to ban individuals such as Panchenko on Youtube.
Same story with survelance. CIA cannot spy on US citizens, so they ask UK to do that for them.
Russia on the other hand care less about appearance. And simply bans all people who receive money from abroad for criticizing Russia anywhere. Plus they prosecute people for spreading lies about Russian Army.
EU can not sanction their own citizens, so they have some freedom of speech but non-eu citizens such as Switzerland are being sanctioned and banned in EU.

My speech is free because I'm not getting paid and can say what I want. You don't have free speech because you are being paid and have to say what you are told to say.

 

[barbos]

You don't understand how it works in the US. Sanctions made it impossible for Russia to subsidize RT and it was not a viable business without it and had to close up shop.

It is you who do not understand that I understand better than you.
As I said, when it becomes problematic The West finds the way to ban free speech.
That's what UK did and what US did.

YouTube is a private business and has the full control over who uses their service

I am fully aware of that. That's a loophole which allows US government to ban individuals such as Panchenko on Youtube.
Same story with survelance. CIA cannot spy on US citizens, so they ask UK to do that for them.
Russia on the other hand care less about appearance. And simply bans all people who receive money from abroad for criticizing Russia anywhere. Plus they prosecute people for spreading lies about Russian Army.
EU can not sanction their own citizens, so they have some freedom of speech but non-eu citizens such as Switzerland are being sanctioned and banned in EU.

My speech is free because I'm not getting paid and can say what I want. You don't have free speech because you are being paid and have to say what you are told to say.

Yeah, I and my buddy Jeffrey Sachs are both laughing on the way to the bank right now.

 

[barbos]

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