If God has a gender, why not a race?

[Bronzeage]

All documentary evidence points to God being an old white man. Except for when he's a burning bush, or an elephant, or that really creepy Egyptian guy with the dog's head.

This is such an old and tedious discussion, and the goal is always the same, which is to make someone appear foolish for their opinion of belief. It's never likely to change someone's mind.

If we accept the idea of the existence of God, an omnipotent being, we have to concede such an entity could not exist in the confines of a human body, and still carry out basic God functions. Existing in all points in time, at all points in space, most of which is empty, would require breathing in places where there is no atmosphere.

Also, keeping in the spirit of conceding God's existence, such a being would certainly realize a human brain needs something tangible to perceive, and would assume some form we could comprehend. This form could appear in an infinite variety and none would be more or less valid than another.

 

[Lion IRC]

Thanks for 'conceding' God's hypothetical existence - then telling Him what He can and can't do.

I did not know God needs a suitable atmosphere to breathe with His lungs.

 

[bigfield]

If we accept the idea of the existence of God, an omnipotent being, we have to concede such an entity could not exist in the confines of a human body, and still carry out basic God functions. Existing in all points in time, at all points in space, most of which is empty, would require breathing in places where there is no atmosphere.

A human body would have more problems than oxygen deprivation.

That answer to all such objections is the same: God magicks some shit up.

 

[Syed]

Serious query to religionists -- if we are made 'in God's image', and if we already know that God is male -- excuse me, there should be quotes around "know" -- then there are several sensible questions about God that can only be cleared up by the churches that have the ongoing power of revelation. That brings in Catholics, JWs, Mormons, at least.
1) What race is God? I know he started three big religions in the Near East, but that doesn't absolutely prove that he self-identifies as Semitic. I mean, would Franklin Graham approve? I lack the power of prophecy/revelation, so call this wishful thinking, but I think God is Inuit. I have only one reason for this, and it's to picture my born-again cousins having to unpack their ulus and slice up big juicy slabs of muktuk for Easter dinner. (Also, if he was Inuit, then the born-agains might possibly want to do more about the melting ice in the Arctic. Just thought of that.)
2) God is male -- established "fact". Is he circumcised? Did he do it to himself, like Abraham? Did his foreskin become part of creation? Again, just a hunch, but I think God's foreskin became Texas. This would not only explain their douchey politics, but it would account for Fort Hood.
I realize the faithful don't ordinarily take up challenges from the atheist side, but I really think you would have a stronger narrative if you filled in some gaps.

Quran

Say, "He is Allah , [who is] One,
Allah , the Eternal Refuge.
He neither begets nor is born,
Nor is there to Him any equivalent."

The Parable of the Light of Allah

Surah Noor - Verse 35

"Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The parable of His Light is as if there were a Niche and within it a lamp: the Lamp enclosed in Glass: the Glass as it were a brilliant star: lit from a blessed Tree, an Olive, neither of the East nor of the West, whose Oil is well-nigh luminous, though fire scarce touched it: Light upon Light! Allah doth set forth Parables for men: and Allah doth know all things."

 

[Bronzeage]

If we accept the idea of the existence of God, an omnipotent being, we have to concede such an entity could not exist in the confines of a human body, and still carry out basic God functions. Existing in all points in time, at all points in space, most of which is empty, would require breathing in places where there is no atmosphere.

A human body would have more problems than oxygen deprivation.

That answer to all such objections is the same: God magicks some shit up.

Yes, the human body has many problems in space, but it takes only one. Anything an omnipotent being might do, which would be impossible or fatal, to a human would seem magic, or miraculous to a human.

 

[bilby]

Thanks for 'conceding' God's hypothetical existence - then telling Him what He can and can't do.

I did not know God needs a suitable atmosphere to breathe with His lungs.

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If you don't like people pointing out that the claims of your religion are stupid, then the only solution is to have your religion stop making stupid claims (eg 'God made man in his own image').

As you are no longer permitted to set people on fire for pointing out the inconsistencies in your claims, you either need to adjust them until they are consistent; or put up with the embarrassment of having their idiocy pointed out by those who don't feel a desperate need to believe the impossible.

I rather like the idea of illustrating the claim that "God has wonders where we never see them" with a picture of a person using technology to go and look wherever he likes, thereby escaping the limitations of his (allegedly perfect) alleged design.

For centuries the church has prevented criticism of the massive holes in its teachings by eliminating its critics. Now that it's not able to do that, it's going to have to either fix the major flaws in its doctrine, or get used to being a laughing stock.

 

[Elixir]

Thanks for 'conceding' God's hypothetical existence - then telling Him what He can and can't do.

I did not know God needs a suitable atmosphere to breathe with His lungs.

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If you don't like people pointing out that the claims of your religion are stupid, then the only solution is to have your religion stop making stupid claims (eg 'God made man in his own image').

As you are no longer permitted to set people on fire for pointing out the inconsistencies in your claims, you either need to adjust them until they are consistent; or put up with the embarrassment of having their idiocy pointed out by those who don't feel a desperate need to believe the impossible.

As the Official Opiates of the Masses, religions are obliged to coddle teh stoopid. Where else can actual grownups go to discuss their beliefs in ye olde majicke?

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Atheism is a human 'construct'.
The invented idea that God isn't real.

See that sdelsolray?
I can play the same card as you.

therefore

Disbelieving in a Tooth Fairy is a human 'construct'.
The invented idea that the Tooth Fairy isn't real.

See that Lion IRC?
I can play the same card as you.

How are these things different? They're not.

 

[Sarpedon]

Atheism is a human 'construct'.
The invented idea that God isn't real.

See that sdelsolray?
I can play the same card as you.

Except I can point to a particular time and place where your religion, and by extention, your god, was invented, but you cannot do the same for me. There have always been people who have doubted whatever lies the lazy but imaginative have come up with to trick people out of their money.

 

[Syed]

Serious query to religionists -- if we are made 'in God's image', and if we already know that God is male -- excuse me, there should be quotes around "know" -- then there are several sensible questions about God that can only be cleared up by the churches that have the ongoing power of revelation. That brings in Catholics, JWs, Mormons, at least.
1) What race is God? I know he started three big religions in the Near East, but that doesn't absolutely prove that he self-identifies as Semitic. I mean, would Franklin Graham approve? I lack the power of prophecy/revelation, so call this wishful thinking, but I think God is Inuit. I have only one reason for this, and it's to picture my born-again cousins having to unpack their ulus and slice up big juicy slabs of muktuk for Easter dinner. (Also, if he was Inuit, then the born-agains might possibly want to do more about the melting ice in the Arctic. Just thought of that.)
2) God is male -- established "fact". Is he circumcised? Did he do it to himself, like Abraham? Did his foreskin become part of creation? Again, just a hunch, but I think God's foreskin became Texas. This would not only explain their douchey politics, but it would account for Fort Hood.
I realize the faithful don't ordinarily take up challenges from the atheist side, but I really think you would have a stronger narrative if you filled in some gaps.

How Big Is Chair Of Allah? Mind-Blowing Throne Of Allah 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdjkP5iYNcM

 

[Juma]

Serious query to religionists -- if we are made 'in God's image', and if we already know that God is male -- excuse me, there should be quotes around "know" -- then there are several sensible questions about God that can only be cleared up by the churches that have the ongoing power of revelation. That brings in Catholics, JWs, Mormons, at least.
1) What race is God? I know he started three big religions in the Near East, but that doesn't absolutely prove that he self-identifies as Semitic. I mean, would Franklin Graham approve? I lack the power of prophecy/revelation, so call this wishful thinking, but I think God is Inuit. I have only one reason for this, and it's to picture my born-again cousins having to unpack their ulus and slice up big juicy slabs of muktuk for Easter dinner. (Also, if he was Inuit, then the born-agains might possibly want to do more about the melting ice in the Arctic. Just thought of that.)
2) God is male -- established "fact". Is he circumcised? Did he do it to himself, like Abraham? Did his foreskin become part of creation? Again, just a hunch, but I think God's foreskin became Texas. This would not only explain their douchey politics, but it would account for Fort Hood.
I realize the faithful don't ordinarily take up challenges from the atheist side, but I really think you would have a stronger narrative if you filled in some gaps.

How Big Is Chair Of Allah? Mind-Blowing Throne Of Allah 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdjkP5iYNcM

Rather mindblowing example of utter baloney. You could as well do a video saying that the universe is just one of millions of universes created by Cutcpha the blue nosed reindeer.

It is downright silly.

 

[Lion IRC]

Atheism is a human 'construct'.
The invented idea that God isn't real.

See that sdelsolray?
I can play the same card as you.

Except I can point to a particular time and place where your religion, and by extention, your god, was invented...

That's a pretty big claim. Can you back it up?

...There have always been people who have doubted whatever lies the lazy but imaginative have come up with to trick people out of their money.

Right there you've just admitted that religion comes before skepticism about said religion.
Wanna clarify your claim?

 

[Lion IRC]

I suspect "point to" a place and time means the Garden of Eden and something akin to Ushers chronology.

 

[Jobar]

Always thought he was a hairy old white guy. Most Western artists seem to agree. Hindus, however, frequently show that he's blue.

 

[iolo]

If God has a gender, why not a race?

To judge by Genesis, He tends to favour the sprint!

 

[funinspace]

Serious query to religionists -- if we are made 'in God's image', and if we already know that God is male -- excuse me, there should be quotes around "know" -- then there are several sensible questions about God that can only be cleared up by the churches that have the ongoing power of revelation. That brings in Catholics, JWs, Mormons, at least.
1) What race is God? I know he started three big religions in the Near East, but that doesn't absolutely prove that he self-identifies as Semitic. I mean, would Franklin Graham approve? I lack the power of prophecy/revelation, so call this wishful thinking, but I think God is Inuit. I have only one reason for this, and it's to picture my born-again cousins having to unpack their ulus and slice up big juicy slabs of muktuk for Easter dinner. (Also, if he was Inuit, then the born-agains might possibly want to do more about the melting ice in the Arctic. Just thought of that.)
2) God is male -- established "fact". Is he circumcised? Did he do it to himself, like Abraham? Did his foreskin become part of creation? Again, just a hunch, but I think God's foreskin became Texas. This would not only explain their douchey politics, but it would account for Fort Hood.
I realize the faithful don't ordinarily take up challenges from the atheist side, but I really think you would have a stronger narrative if you filled in some gaps.

How Big Is Chair Of Allah? Mind-Blowing Throne Of Allah 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdjkP5iYNcM

So that is where the One Ring Frodo Baggins found went off to...

 

[Malintent]

Jesus was Jewish, at least on his mother's side.

That's the only side that counts, according to Jewish law.

 

[Malintent]

Atheism is a human 'construct'.
The invented idea that God isn't real.

See that sdelsolray?
I can play the same card as you.

It's obviously not the same card. You can't have A-Theism without first having Theism. theism was invented, and atheism was a response. The response being, "unsubstantiated".

 

[Malintent]

I suspect "point to" a place and time means the Garden of Eden and something akin to Ushers chronology.

it was about 50 - 200 AD when Christianity was invented. This is not in dispute by Theologians. You know that your holy book is called the "NEW testament", right? its right there in the fucking name....

 

[Sarpedon]

Right there you've just admitted that religion comes before skepticism about said religion.
Wanna clarify your claim?

This has to be one of the dumbest points I've seen.

I can't call you a liar until you've said something. I can't say your statements are idiotic and false if you remain silent. Of course the religion has to come first. That doesn't make the religion true. The practice of lying about supernatural forces is probably as old as language.

And just because A religion has to exist before skepticism about it can exist, does not mean that a GIVEN religion has to exist before skepticism of religion. The fact that YOUR religion was invented at a particular time doesn't mean that there weren't previous religions. Obviously. And there were people who were skeptical of religion in GENERAL before your SPECIFIC religion existed. Seneca for example.