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If I can imagine it, it's logically possible?

The actual rule is, "If you can imagine it, porn of it already exists." This includes a lot of thinks which one might think are logically and physically impossible.

This rule illustrates how much time and effort humans are willing to put into an endeavor, when it's really important.
 
If I can imagine assumptions that lead to something impossible in reality, and can be possible under those assumptions it may be "logically possible". How is this useful in any way?
Anything at all can be proven from false assumptions. So that kind of "possible" is rather silly. Certainly not useful in any sense except playing with logic. From the assumption 0=1 pigs can fly. So what? This the heart of modus tolens. When a result impossible in reality is logically found from the assumptions then at least one assumption is false.
Sure, in an impossible world, magic works. So what?
Assuming "If I can imagine it, its logically possible" then pigs can fly. How is this useful?
Knowing that a valid argument can yield falsehood if the premises are false is good to know. That, of course, is well known already.
ETA: You seem to saying that a valid argument yields logical possibility. Logical possibility is freedom from self-contradiction, explicit or implicit. So any valid argument yields "logical possibility." So what

Derail.

It's not me who invented the notion of logical possibility. Logical validity has been understood since the Stoics as independent of the actual truth of the premises considered: Socrates is a snail; All snails walk faster than light; Therefore, Socrates walk faster than light. OK? If you can accept that this argument is logically valid then you're not logical, literally, at least not in the conventional sense, and then there's nothing we could possibly discuss in any meaningful sense. Learn logic and come back when you can demonstrate you have.
EB
For "The Simplest Quantified Modal Logic (SQML)" see: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/actualism/SQML.html

Here is the first page of "The Epistemology of Modality"
The Epistemology of Modality
First published Wed Dec 5, 2007; substantive revision Mon Apr 13, 2015
Whereas facts about what is actual are facts about how things are, facts about modality (i.e., what is possible, necessary, or impossible) are facts about how things could, must, or could not have been. For example, while there are in fact eleven players on a soccer team, there could have been thirteen, though there couldn’t have been zero. The first of these is a fact about what is actual; the second is a fact about what was possible, and the third is a fact about what is impossible. Humans are often disposed to consider, make, and evaluate judgments about what is possible and necessary, such as when we are motivated to make things better and imagine how things might be. We judge that things could have been different than they actually are, while other things could not have been. These modal judgments and modal claims therefore play a central role in human decision-making and in philosophical argumentation. This entry is about the justification we have for modal judgments.

Most of the time, we encounter what might be called ordinary modal judgments, such as the following:

Although I am a philosopher, I could have been a musician.
Not only does 2 + 2 = 4, it is necessary that 2 + 2 = 4.
Not only is it the case that nothing is red and green all over at the same time, it is impossible for something to be red and green all over at the same time.
Although the table is not broken, it could have been broken.
Even though the cup is on the left side of the table, it could have been on the right side.
However, philosophers often, in the course of an argument, formulate what might be called extraordinary modal judgements; these typically are about some special philosophical concept relevant to the discussion. Here are some examples:

St. Anselm
Necessarily: God exists.

Descartes
It is possible for the mind to exist without the body.

Berkeley
It is impossible for anything to exist unperceived.

Now a modal argument is one in which either a premise or the conclusion is an ordinary or an extraordinary modal judgment. Thus, in modal arguments, we reason about what is necessary, possible, or impossible, or about what might, must, or could not be the case. Modal arguments can therefore be found both inside and outside of philosophy (within philosophy many important philosophical positions are in fact modal positions). Assuming that a modal argument is valid (i.e., the premises validly imply the conclusion), then the evaluation of a modal argument focuses on whether the premises are justified. The question then arises: how does one show that a modal premise of a modal argument is justified?
Of interest might be:
Actualism
First published Sat Jun 17, 2000; substantive revision Wed Dec 31, 2014
Actualism is a widely-held view in the metaphysics of modality. To understand the thesis of actualism, consider the following example. Imagine a race of beings — call them ‘Aliens’ — that is very different from any life-form that exists anywhere in the universe; different enough, in fact, that no actually existing thing could have been an Alien, any more than a given gorilla could have been a fruitfly. Now, even though there are no Aliens, it seems intuitively the case that there could have been such things. After all, life might have evolved very differently than the way it did in fact. For example, if the fundamental physical constants or the laws of evolution had been slightly different, very different kinds of things might have existed. So in virtue of what is it true that there could have been Aliens when in fact there are none, and when, moreover, nothing that exists in fact could have been an Alien?

To answer this question, a philosopher should try to identify the special features of the world that are responsible for the truth of claims about what could have been the case. One group of philosophers, the possibilists, offers the following answer: ‘It is possible that there are Aliens’ is true because there are in fact individuals that could have been Aliens. At first blush, this might appear directly to contradict the premise that no existing thing could possibly have been an Alien. The possibilist's thesis, however, is that existence, or actuality, encompasses only a subset of the things that, in the broadest sense, are. Rather, in addition to things like us that actually exist, there are merely possible things — possible Aliens, for example — that could have existed, but, as it happens, do not. So there are such things, but they just happen to exhibit a rather less robust but nonetheless fully-fledged type of being than we do. For the possibilist, then, ‘It is possible that there are Aliens’ is true simply in virtue of the fact that there are possible-but-nonactual Aliens, i.e., things that could have existed (but do not) and that would have been Aliens if they had.

Actualists reject this answer; they deny that there are any nonactual individuals. Actualism is the philosophical position that everything there is — everything that can in any sense be said to be — exists, or is actual. Put another way, actualism denies that there is any kind of being beyond actual existence; to be is to exist, and to exist is to be actual. Actualism therefore stands in stark contrast to possibilism, which, as we've seen, takes the things there are to include possible but non-actual objects.

Of course, actualists will agree that there could have been Aliens. An actualist theory, therefore, will be a metaphysical theory that attempts to account for the truth of claims like ‘It is possible that there are Aliens’ without appealing to any nonactual objects whatsoever. What makes actualism so philosophically interesting, is that there is no obviously correct way to account for the truth of claims like ‘It is possible that there are Aliens’ without appealing to possible but nonactual objects. In this article, we will clarify the “possibilist challenge” to actualism in some detail and lay out the various attempts to meet the challenge and assess their effectiveness.
Menzel, Christopher, "Actualism", The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (Summer 2018 Edition), Edward N. Zalta (ed.), URL = <https://plato.stanford.edu/archives/sum2018/entries/actualism/>.

You referred to the Stoics. Here's Classical Possiblism in its entirety.
Classical Possibilism and Lewisian Possibilism
David Lewis is often thought of as a typical, perhaps even the quintessential, possibilist. (See especially Lewis [1986].) In fact, however, Lewis’s possibilism is quite idiosyncratic. It is important, therefore, to contrast it with the “classical” variety of possibilism at issue in this article.

Classical possibilism is rooted in the idea that there is a significant ontological distinction to be drawn between being, on the one hand, and existence, or actuality, on the other. Being is the broader of the two notions, encompassing absolutely everything there is in any sense. For the classical possibilist, every existing thing is, but not everything there is exists. Things that do not exist but could have are known as (mere) possibilia. The being/existence distinction can be traced back at least to the Stoics[1]. It is also suggested by a number of medieval philosophers. Notably, Knuuttila [1993] sees adumbrations of the distinction in Scotus, and Prior [1957] (pp. 30-31) notes that it “seems to be presupposed in the medieval doctrine of ampliatio”.[2] The first clear, modern expression and defense of the distinction appears to be found in Bolzano (see Berg [1973] and Schnieder [2007]), but the best known exposition is found in Russell [1903], §427:

Being is that which belongs to every conceivable term, to every possible object of thought....“A is not” must always be either false or meaningless. For if A were nothing, it could not be said not to be....Numbers, the Homeric gods, relations, chimeras, and four-dimensional spaces all have being, for if they were not entities of a kind, we could make no propositions about them. Thus being is a general attribute of everything, and to mention anything is to show that it is. Existence, on the contrary, is the prerogative of some only amongst beings.
Russell is not explicit about what he means by ‘existence’ in this particular passage, but it is clear that what he has in mind is, not simply actuality, but concrete existence, existence in space-time.[3] Being, by contrast, encompasses not only concretely existing objects, but also abstract entities (which many contemporary philosophers consider to be actually existing entities) and fictional objects as well; indeed, for the young Russell, any logically coherent description — famously, for example, ‘the golden mountain’ — denotes an object that at least possess being, if not full-blown actuality.

Somewhat ironically, Russell's ontology in [1903] does not include possible objects, but this has nothing to do with the being/existence distinction, but rather with his own skepticism about the coherence of modal concepts.[4] What is important here, and distinctive of classical possibilism, is the idea that existence is an intrinsic, non-relational property that not all things have, a property that is “the prerogative of some only amongst beings.” What distinguishes classical possibilism in particular is the thesis that at least some nonactual objects, some of the objects that exemplify being only, are contingently nonactual; they fail in fact to be actual, but nonetheless could have been actual. There are, in fact, no actual golden mountains, for instance, but there are possible golden mountains, that is, things that, had they existed, would have been golden mountains. (Schnieder [2007] argues that Bolzano was a possibilist in exactly this sense.)

Lewis, following Quine [1948], rejects any distinction between being and existence and hence also the idea that there are things that do not exist (but could have). (He argues the point with particular cogency in Lewis [1990].) There is no special ontological property that separates merely possible objects from actual ones or, more specifically, merely possible worlds from the actual world. For Lewis, other possible worlds and their inhabitants exist in precisely the same sense, and no less robustly, than the actual world and its inhabitants. Because of this, Lewis cannot be considered a classical possibilist.

Lewis does, however, distinguish existence from actuality, and it is true that for him there exist things that fail to be actual. His explicit endorsement of this proposition is no doubt the central reason why he is considered to be a possibilist. However, this proposition, in Lewis’s mouth, does not express what it does for a classical possibilist. For Lewis, actuality is not an intrinsic property of things; rather, it is relational — one object is actual relative to another just in case they both occupy the same possible world. Semantically put, for Lewis, the predicate ‘actual’ is indexical, as when we talk about the present moment or a nearby store; it picks up its meaning, on a given occasion of utterance, from the spatio-temporal location of the speaker. Hence, the fact that there are things that fail to be actual, for Lewis, is no more ontologically significant than the fact that, say, there are things that fail to be within five meters of me. Nonactual objects are no different, ontologically, from actual objects; they are simply not here (in the broadest possible sense). (See Linsky and Zalta [1991] for related discussion.)

In sum, then, the distinction between being and existence is critical to classical possibilism. Lewis rejects this distinction and, therefore, he is not a classical possibilist.[5] Hence, because actualism in this article is contrasted entirely with classical possibilism, for purposes here, Lewis’s views — although of the highest importance for, especially, metaphysics and the semantical analysis of modal discourse — are simply not directly relevant.
 
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 Logical Possibility
Logically possible refers to a proposition which can be the logical consequence of another, based on the axioms of a given system of logic.

So, any valid argument yields (their version of) logical possibility.

Not how I understand our intuitive notion of logical possibility.

I don't go to the Church of Mathematical Logic myself so I don't feel obligated by its Scriptures.

Still, my thesis also apply here. I can walk on one leg, sort of.

When I made that claim you told me
Learn logic and come back when you can demonstrate you have.
I tested out of the logic course offered by the University of Wisconsin by taking the final exam and passing it having attended no classes.

So, what took you so long to reply? Did you forget about it or what?

What is your definition of logical possibility?

We don't need to explain. We only have to follow your intuition. We all have the same. Proof: You say yourself here you passed the final exam without having attended any class.

To you, hallucinating is not imagining. So, what is your definition of imagining?

Not "my" definition. But imagination is a voluntary activity.


Christians imagine that prayers work. So do they work?

???

How does that relate to my claim?

I'm prepared for the sake of the argument to accept the definition of logical possibility you've learnt from the Church of Mathematical Logic you go to, but you still haven't argued anything very much, not on this basis at any rate.

Perhaps you could try at the very least to explain how the fact that Christians imagine their prayers to work falsifies my thesis.
EB
 
I would refer you to the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy -- https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/logic-modal-origins/

The correct logic of possibility is modal logic.

Feel free to ask me questions about it. When studying it (self study) I contacted one of the SEP authors of the Modal Logic articles and had a long correspondence.

???

I'm not talking about modal logic.

Still, if you think you're competent, you could have a look at these threads see if any inspires you:

I'm still waiting for a sensible reply for each of them...

In particular, you could perhaps try to answer this one:
What is the justification given by professional specialists, e.g. mathematicians, logicians, philosophers etc., that would support the idea that the definition of logical validity used in Mathematical Logic is the correct one?

Here is the definition of validity accepted in Mathematical Logic (1st order logic):
Validity
An argument is logically valid if it takes a form that makes it impossible for the premises to be true and the conclusion false (at the same time).

I tried to get an answer, here and elsewhere, from self-declared experts, without success...

So, if you think you understand logic, be my guest...
EB
 
For "The Simplest Quantified Modal Logic (SQML)" see: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/actualism/SQML.html

Here is the first page of "The Epistemology of Modality"
The Epistemology of Modality
First published Wed Dec 5, 2007; substantive revision Mon Apr 13, 2015
Whereas facts about what is actual are facts about how things are, facts about modality (i.e., what is possible, necessary, or impossible) are facts about how things could, must, or could not have been. For example, while there are in fact eleven players on a soccer team, there could have been thirteen, though there couldn’t have been zero. The first of these is a fact about what is actual; the second is a fact about what was possible, and the third is a fact about what is impossible. Humans are often disposed to consider, make, and evaluate judgments about what is possible and necessary, such as when we are motivated to make things better and imagine how things might be. We judge that things could have been different than they actually are, while other things could not have been. These modal judgments and modal claims therefore play a central role in human decision-making and in philosophical argumentation. This entry is about the justification we have for modal judgments.

Most of the time, we encounter what might be called ordinary modal judgments, such as the following:

Although I am a philosopher, I could have been a musician.
Not only does 2 + 2 = 4, it is necessary that 2 + 2 = 4.
Not only is it the case that nothing is red and green all over at the same time, it is impossible for something to be red and green all over at the same time.
Although the table is not broken, it could have been broken.
Even though the cup is on the left side of the table, it could have been on the right side.
However, philosophers often, in the course of an argument, formulate what might be called extraordinary modal judgements; these typically are about some special philosophical concept relevant to the discussion. Here are some examples:

St. Anselm
Necessarily: God exists.

Descartes
It is possible for the mind to exist without the body.

Berkeley
It is impossible for anything to exist unperceived.

Now a modal argument is one in which either a premise or the conclusion is an ordinary or an extraordinary modal judgment. Thus, in modal arguments, we reason about what is necessary, possible, or impossible, or about what might, must, or could not be the case. Modal arguments can therefore be found both inside and outside of philosophy (within philosophy many important philosophical positions are in fact modal positions). Assuming that a modal argument is valid (i.e., the premises validly imply the conclusion), then the evaluation of a modal argument focuses on whether the premises are justified. The question then arises: how does one show that a modal premise of a modal argument is justified?
Of interest might be:
Actualism
First published Sat Jun 17, 2000; substantive revision Wed Dec 31, 2014
Actualism is a widely-held view in the metaphysics of modality. To understand the thesis of actualism, consider the following example. Imagine a race of beings — call them ‘Aliens’ — that is very different from any life-form that exists anywhere in the universe; different enough, in fact, that no actually existing thing could have been an Alien, any more than a given gorilla could have been a fruitfly. Now, even though there are no Aliens, it seems intuitively the case that there could have been such things. After all, life might have evolved very differently than the way it did in fact. For example, if the fundamental physical constants or the laws of evolution had been slightly different, very different kinds of things might have existed. So in virtue of what is it true that there could have been Aliens when in fact there are none, and when, moreover, nothing that exists in fact could have been an Alien?

To answer this question, a philosopher should try to identify the special features of the world that are responsible for the truth of claims about what could have been the case. One group of philosophers, the possibilists, offers the following answer: ‘It is possible that there are Aliens’ is true because there are in fact individuals that could have been Aliens. At first blush, this might appear directly to contradict the premise that no existing thing could possibly have been an Alien. The possibilist's thesis, however, is that existence, or actuality, encompasses only a subset of the things that, in the broadest sense, are. Rather, in addition to things like us that actually exist, there are merely possible things — possible Aliens, for example — that could have existed, but, as it happens, do not. So there are such things, but they just happen to exhibit a rather less robust but nonetheless fully-fledged type of being than we do. For the possibilist, then, ‘It is possible that there are Aliens’ is true simply in virtue of the fact that there are possible-but-nonactual Aliens, i.e., things that could have existed (but do not) and that would have been Aliens if they had.

Actualists reject this answer; they deny that there are any nonactual individuals. Actualism is the philosophical position that everything there is — everything that can in any sense be said to be — exists, or is actual. Put another way, actualism denies that there is any kind of being beyond actual existence; to be is to exist, and to exist is to be actual. Actualism therefore stands in stark contrast to possibilism, which, as we've seen, takes the things there are to include possible but non-actual objects.

Of course, actualists will agree that there could have been Aliens. An actualist theory, therefore, will be a metaphysical theory that attempts to account for the truth of claims like ‘It is possible that there are Aliens’ without appealing to any nonactual objects whatsoever. What makes actualism so philosophically interesting, is that there is no obviously correct way to account for the truth of claims like ‘It is possible that there are Aliens’ without appealing to possible but nonactual objects. In this article, we will clarify the “possibilist challenge” to actualism in some detail and lay out the various attempts to meet the challenge and assess their effectiveness.
Menzel, Christopher, "Actualism", The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (Summer 2018 Edition), Edward N. Zalta (ed.), URL = <https://plato.stanford.edu/archives/sum2018/entries/actualism/>.

You referred to the Stoics. Here's Classical Possiblism in its entirety.
Classical Possibilism and Lewisian Possibilism
David Lewis is often thought of as a typical, perhaps even the quintessential, possibilist. (See especially Lewis [1986].) In fact, however, Lewis’s possibilism is quite idiosyncratic. It is important, therefore, to contrast it with the “classical” variety of possibilism at issue in this article.

Classical possibilism is rooted in the idea that there is a significant ontological distinction to be drawn between being, on the one hand, and existence, or actuality, on the other. Being is the broader of the two notions, encompassing absolutely everything there is in any sense. For the classical possibilist, every existing thing is, but not everything there is exists. Things that do not exist but could have are known as (mere) possibilia. The being/existence distinction can be traced back at least to the Stoics[1]. It is also suggested by a number of medieval philosophers. Notably, Knuuttila [1993] sees adumbrations of the distinction in Scotus, and Prior [1957] (pp. 30-31) notes that it “seems to be presupposed in the medieval doctrine of ampliatio”.[2] The first clear, modern expression and defense of the distinction appears to be found in Bolzano (see Berg [1973] and Schnieder [2007]), but the best known exposition is found in Russell [1903], §427:

Being is that which belongs to every conceivable term, to every possible object of thought....“A is not” must always be either false or meaningless. For if A were nothing, it could not be said not to be....Numbers, the Homeric gods, relations, chimeras, and four-dimensional spaces all have being, for if they were not entities of a kind, we could make no propositions about them. Thus being is a general attribute of everything, and to mention anything is to show that it is. Existence, on the contrary, is the prerogative of some only amongst beings.
Russell is not explicit about what he means by ‘existence’ in this particular passage, but it is clear that what he has in mind is, not simply actuality, but concrete existence, existence in space-time.[3] Being, by contrast, encompasses not only concretely existing objects, but also abstract entities (which many contemporary philosophers consider to be actually existing entities) and fictional objects as well; indeed, for the young Russell, any logically coherent description — famously, for example, ‘the golden mountain’ — denotes an object that at least possess being, if not full-blown actuality.

Somewhat ironically, Russell's ontology in [1903] does not include possible objects, but this has nothing to do with the being/existence distinction, but rather with his own skepticism about the coherence of modal concepts.[4] What is important here, and distinctive of classical possibilism, is the idea that existence is an intrinsic, non-relational property that not all things have, a property that is “the prerogative of some only amongst beings.” What distinguishes classical possibilism in particular is the thesis that at least some nonactual objects, some of the objects that exemplify being only, are contingently nonactual; they fail in fact to be actual, but nonetheless could have been actual. There are, in fact, no actual golden mountains, for instance, but there are possible golden mountains, that is, things that, had they existed, would have been golden mountains. (Schnieder [2007] argues that Bolzano was a possibilist in exactly this sense.)

Lewis, following Quine [1948], rejects any distinction between being and existence and hence also the idea that there are things that do not exist (but could have). (He argues the point with particular cogency in Lewis [1990].) There is no special ontological property that separates merely possible objects from actual ones or, more specifically, merely possible worlds from the actual world. For Lewis, other possible worlds and their inhabitants exist in precisely the same sense, and no less robustly, than the actual world and its inhabitants. Because of this, Lewis cannot be considered a classical possibilist.

Lewis does, however, distinguish existence from actuality, and it is true that for him there exist things that fail to be actual. His explicit endorsement of this proposition is no doubt the central reason why he is considered to be a possibilist. However, this proposition, in Lewis’s mouth, does not express what it does for a classical possibilist. For Lewis, actuality is not an intrinsic property of things; rather, it is relational — one object is actual relative to another just in case they both occupy the same possible world. Semantically put, for Lewis, the predicate ‘actual’ is indexical, as when we talk about the present moment or a nearby store; it picks up its meaning, on a given occasion of utterance, from the spatio-temporal location of the speaker. Hence, the fact that there are things that fail to be actual, for Lewis, is no more ontologically significant than the fact that, say, there are things that fail to be within five meters of me. Nonactual objects are no different, ontologically, from actual objects; they are simply not here (in the broadest possible sense). (See Linsky and Zalta [1991] for related discussion.)

In sum, then, the distinction between being and existence is critical to classical possibilism. Lewis rejects this distinction and, therefore, he is not a classical possibilist.[5] Hence, because actualism in this article is contrasted entirely with classical possibilism, for purposes here, Lewis’s views — although of the highest importance for, especially, metaphysics and the semantical analysis of modal discourse — are simply not directly relevant.

In other circumstances, all this would have been interesting. However, look at my first post in the present thread: There's no reference or even suggestion of such to anything even remotely like what you quote here. "Logical possibility" therefore is just the combination of two words, "logical" and "possibility". If you don't know what these two words combined mean, that's OK but you don't need to pretend otherwise. But if you do, then you should know that logic is nothing if not a mode of reasoning. So, start from there and let go of the Wiki crutches. I can guarantee you they are useless.

If I can imagine it, it's a logical possibility... What can this possibly mean, do you think?

I'm not interested having any conversation with the Wiki articles' authors and it wouldn't happen anyway. If you understand what you're talking about, you shouldn't need Wiki crutches. I'm here to discuss with self-determined members of this free-thinking forum. Not Wiki proxies nor stooges of Mathematical Logic, especially people claiming some expertise yet can't explain why the definition of validity they borrowed from Mathematical Logic would be correct.

You still haven't argued your apparent disagreement with my claim. What are you waiting for?
EB
 
What is your definition of logical possibility. You have yet to define it.
I took one from Wiki. "Logically possible refers to a proposition which can be the logical consequence of another, based on the axioms of a given system of logic."

You seem to be upset that I didn't reply sooner. I was at the North American Bridge Championships for a few days.
 
What is your definition of logical possibility. You have yet to define it.
I took one from Wiki. "Logically possible refers to a proposition which can be the logical consequence of another, based on the axioms of a given system of logic."

I already told you. First, we don't need to explain, so I don't. Second, although I don't accept the Mathematical Logic's definition quoted in the Wiki article, I would accept an argument based on it. So, if you can articulate an argument based on this definition, we'll have something to talk about. And I might come to see I was wrong.
EB
 
If you refuse to define your terms any argument you make using those terms is meaningless.

"Logically possible refers to a proposition which can be the logical consequence of another, based on the axioms of a given system of logic."

The obvious conclusion using the only definition in this thread is that any valid logical argument yields logical possibility. This is so since logical validity is "the logical consequence of another [proposition, true or false], based on the axioms of a given system of logic."

Imagine a race of beings — call them ‘Aliens’ — that is very different from any life-form that exists anywhere in the universe; different enough, in fact, that no actually existing thing could have been an Alien, any more than a given gorilla could have been a fruitfly.

I can imagine those Aliens. Are they logically possible?
Using the above definition, yes.

Using your definition, yes or no?
 
If you refuse to define your terms any argument you make using those terms is meaningless.

I told you I can argue using the crap Mathematical Logic definition. No problem.

"Logically possible refers to a proposition which can be the logical consequence of another, based on the axioms of a given system of logic."

Really crap.

The obvious conclusion using the only definition in this thread is that any valid logical argument yields logical possibility. This is so since logical validity possibility is "the logical consequence of another [proposition, true or false], based on the axioms of a given system of logic."

Well, it depends. If the argument is valid, yes. But if it is only valid in the sense used in Mathematical Logic then not necessarily. Still, we may not need to go there. So, do go on.

Imagine a race of beings — call them ‘Aliens’ — that is very different from any life-form that exists anywhere in the universe; different enough, in fact, that no actually existing thing could have been an Alien, any more than a given gorilla could have been a fruitfly.

I can imagine those Aliens.

No, you can't. The specification made sure of that.

Are they logically possible?
Using the above definition, yes.

That's something you would have prove. Can you do that? You can ask for assistance if need be.

Using your definition, yes or no?

Me, I can't imagine these Aliens at all. I can imagine something that looks not human and not like any animal I know of but I can't imagine that particular kind of Alien, at all. And, you can't either. Which does exemplify to the perfection the problem that people can well claim they can imagine X even though they can't.
EB
 
I told you I can argue using the crap Mathematical Logic definition. No problem.



Really crap.

The obvious conclusion using the only definition in this thread is that any valid logical argument yields logical possibility. This is so since logical validity possibility is "the logical consequence of another [proposition, true or false], based on the axioms of a given system of logic."

Well, it depends. If the argument is valid, yes. But if it is only valid in the sense used in Mathematical Logic then not necessarily. Still, we may not need to go there. So, do go on.

Imagine a race of beings — call them ‘Aliens’ — that is very different from any life-form that exists anywhere in the universe; different enough, in fact, that no actually existing thing could have been an Alien, any more than a given gorilla could have been a fruitfly.

I can imagine those Aliens.

No, you can't. The specification made sure of that.

Are they logically possible?
Using the above definition, yes.

That's something you would have prove. Can you do that? You can ask for assistance if need be.

Using your definition, yes or no?

Me, I can't imagine these Aliens at all. I can imagine something that looks not human and not like any animal I know of but I can't imagine that particular kind of Alien, at all. And, you can't either. Which does exemplify to the perfection the problem that people can well claim they can imagine X even though they can't.
EB

At long last we the true EB, 'crap math logic'. Trying to substitute crap philosophy for objective rigorous logic.
 
At long last we the true EB, 'crap math logic'. Trying to substitute crap philosophy for objective rigorous logic.
As long as you can't argue shit.
EB
 
Short summary: "If we define the word "imagine" in such a way that only possible things can be imagined, than only possible things can be imagined"

Is that what you're saying? Or rather, how's that not what you're saying?
 
At long last we the true EB, 'crap math logic'. Trying to substitute crap philosophy for objective rigorous logic.
As long as you can't argue shit.
EB

I can argue shit quite well. It has consistency, color variations indicative of medical conditions, smell.
The stage of your shit indicates the state of your bowels. Knowledge of shit is quite important. Doctors specialize in it.

So, what is your point about arguing shit?

Eventual the façade comes off and the true person comes through.
 
At long last we the true EB, 'crap math logic'. Trying to substitute crap philosophy for objective rigorous logic.
As long as you can't argue shit.
EB
I can argue shit quite well. It has consistency, color variations indicative of medical conditions, smell.
The stage of your shit indicates the state of your bowels. Knowledge of shit is quite important. Doctors specialize in it.
So, what is your point about arguing shit?
Eventual the façade comes off and the true person comes through.

If you can do it, just do it.

For now, I can't see nothing.

And I don't remember you ever posting any cogent argument.

So, please, surprise me.
EB

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Short summary: "If we define the word "imagine" in such a way that only possible things can be imagined, than only possible things can be imagined"

Is that what you're saying? Or rather, how's that not what you're saying?

Please quote me where I redefine "imagine".
EB
 
I can argue shit quite well. It has consistency, color variations indicative of medical conditions, smell.
The stage of your shit indicates the state of your bowels. Knowledge of shit is quite important. Doctors specialize in it.
So, what is your point about arguing shit?
Eventual the façade comes off and the true person comes through.

If you can do it, just do it.

For now, I can't see nothing.

And I don't remember you ever posting any cogent argument.

So, please, surprise me.
EB

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Short summary: "If we define the word "imagine" in such a way that only possible things can be imagined, than only possible things can be imagined"

Is that what you're saying? Or rather, how's that not what you're saying?

Please quote me where I redefine "imagine".
EB

Post #3?
 
I can argue shit quite well. It has consistency, color variations indicative of medical conditions, smell.
The stage of your shit indicates the state of your bowels. Knowledge of shit is quite important. Doctors specialize in it.
So, what is your point about arguing shit?
Eventual the façade comes off and the true person comes through.

If you can do it, just do it.

For now, I can't see nothing.

And I don't remember you ever posting any cogent argument.

So, please, surprise me.
EB

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Short summary: "If we define the word "imagine" in such a way that only possible things can be imagined, than only possible things can be imagined"

Is that what you're saying? Or rather, how's that not what you're saying?

Please quote me where I redefine "imagine".
EB


Well, you said I can't argue shit which I took to mean I know nothing about shit.

If you used the proper form of the colloquialism you would have said 'You can't argue for shit' which would mean I know nothing about making arguments.

Saying I can't argue baseball and saying I can't argue baseball for shit are two different meanings.



'For now, I can't see nothing'. What are you saying here, if there is nothing to see than by definition there is nothing that can be seen? It is impossible to see nothing? Or did you mean to say you can not see anything? Does nothing exist? I am realy confused about your statement.

The sunforum is about epistemology. I am having trouble figuring out exactly what you mean.
 
Short summary: "If we define the word "imagine" in such a way that only possible things can be imagined, than only possible things can be imagined"

Please quote me where I redefine "imagine".
EB

Post #3?

Here it is, post No. 3...
I should have defined my terminology:

Imagine
1. To form a mental picture or image of: imagined a better life abroad.

I always forgot most people are very nearly illiterate.

That definition comes from the American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition.

You don't read dictionaries?

So, I have to ask my question again: Please quote me where I redefine "imagine".

Clue: redefine.

I always forgot most people are very nearly illiterate.
EB
 
I can argue shit quite well. It has consistency, color variations indicative of medical conditions, smell.
The stage of your shit indicates the state of your bowels. Knowledge of shit is quite important. Doctors specialize in it.
So, what is your point about arguing shit?
Eventual the façade comes off and the true person comes through.
If you can do it, just do it.

Well, you said I can't argue shit which I took to mean I know nothing about shit.

If you used the proper form of the colloquialism you would have said 'You can't argue for shit' which would mean I know nothing about making arguments.

Saying I can't argue baseball and saying I can't argue baseball for shit are two different meanings.

Learn you're own language, then...

Here a few quotes...
Jan 20, 2019 - I'm not about to argue shit I'm not well educated about ...
Jul 8, 2017 - Maybe you're the one who shouldn't try to argue shit because you have no idea what you're talking of.
(?) - Of course there are certain faculties which study and discuss and argue shit like that, but none of the smarty pants people in them ever agree on anything, and ...
Jan 7, 2010 - ... and Wednesday evening arguing about which NBA games equaled which Houston rap albums with a guy that we regularly argue shit with.

I think "colloquial" is the right word.

Anyway, that was indeed you trying to argue shit.
EB
 
'For now, I can't see nothing'. What are you saying here, if there is nothing to see than by definition there is nothing that can be seen? It is impossible to see nothing? Or did you mean to say you can not see anything? Does nothing exist? I am realy confused about your statement.

The sunforum is about epistemology. I am having trouble figuring out exactly what you mean.

Take your time. Nobody will be waiting that you understand.
EB
 
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